bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13
th, 2017 at 3:51pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 13
th, 2017 at 1:32pm:
bogarde73 wrote on Feb 13
th, 2017 at 11:01am:
There is a 1930s-type pall that has settled on Europe, the US and other areas of western civilisation. Then it was about ignoring the Nazis, they are really OK, they'll turn out to be just like us after a while, don't talk about them in polite society, enjoy your beer.
Actually you have it back to front.
People (particularly Europeans) are not ignoring the lessons of the nazis - they are keenly aware of them. And their attitude that you find so inexplicable, are in fact a perfectly rational response to those lessons.
People are looking back at the Nazi era and seeing how easy it was for the Nazis to demonize an entire ethno-religious group, and how few people, not just in Germany, but throughout Europe and even in America, were willing to stand up for the jews. It was good people sanding by doing nothing that allowed ~6 million jews to be slaughtered by the nazis.
This is the danger people recognise from the nazis.
Now we have the same sort of people as the nazis calling for that same persecution of muslims that was inflicted upon the jews in the 1930s. But this time people are not standing by doing nothing - they are making a stand against it. Naturally this causes outrage from the usual quarters, who manufacture this myth of 'decent white people' meekly submitting themselves to fascistic Islam.
The truth is, most rational people correctly identify the threat of a return of 1930s type fascism to the west as far far greater than any threat posed by a few muslim immigrants. The first section I've highlighted is a perfect example of the tactic you and your buddies here use to turn an argument around.
We don't want to persecute the Muslims, other than as much as it takes to move them back to their origin countries. What we don't want is to have them invade the west as they tried to do three times before - they are just using different tactics this time - and once in place try to subvert western liberal values and supplant them with a ghettoising program and their cultural and legal values for our own.
This is defending your culture NOT persecution.
The second part is also a fraud. Most people with any claim to rational intelligence recognise that the fascist element in our society today is the far left. They are the ones who seek to suppress contrary opinions with violence, destruction of property, character or real assassination. Very fascist attributes as far as I understand the brownshirts.
Go away and practice your attempted propaganda on someone who is not intelligent enough to see through you Gandalf and all that your Islamic followers stand for.
So, according to you, Bogarde, all the lessons learnt about how bad persecution can become, under the Nazis, under Stalinesque regimes, should just be ignored because you don't like a particular group and feel that you should be allowed to persecute them to drive them "back to their countries or origin"?
OK, what about the Muslims whom were born in Western Europe/Australia/New Zealand/USA/etc.? Where do they go? What if they refuse to go, afterall, they are citizens of those nations, they were born there, they have inherent rights as citizens. You going to keep on persecuting them? When will your persecution stop? When you've "Arbeit macht Frei'ed" them? Sent them in cattle-trucks to concentration or extermination camps? What happens when you run out of Muslims to persecute? You going to start on the Africans? How about the Jews? How about the red-heads? How about those who open their hard-boiled eggs at the opposite end to you?
You disgust me. You act as if you own the world but in reality, you only own your own brain. Get out your Nazi uniform, Bogarde, it will suit you down to the ground while you drive the people you've decided you don't like onto those cattle-trucks.
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