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we should not see Muslims, as behaving immorally
Feb 13th, 2017 at 10:23pm
 

ARGUMENTS;
"we should not see Muslims as people who are behaving immorally."


and....

"[Are we] relieving Muslims of moral accountability for their actions?"




These are 'novel' [i.e. qeer, weird] arguments, to try to bend our mind around,          but these are arguments which we need to be able to comprehend [bend our mind around], to help us better understand how the moslem justifies his action in the world, in OUR world.




HOW ISLAM MAKES CRIMINALITY, A LAWFUL ACTIVITY, FOR THE MOSLEM


In the mind of the moslem, the laws of ISLAM reorder the framework for normal moral accountability.

Whether actions in the world are moral, depend no longer on the 'nature' of individual specific actions, but upon whether the person committing any individual specific action, is a person who bows down to Allah, or not!

e.g.
Within ISLAM's moral framework,             on the one hand, it is not unlawful for a moslem to kill a non-moslem who offends him personally [and especially if the non-moslem offends the religion of ISLAM],
.....BUT, on the other hand, it is wholly unlawful for a non-moslem to ever kill a moslem, for ANY reason.

That is because, in ISLAM's world, only ISLAMIC law has any lawful authority,    ....and in ISLAMIC law a moslem who kills a disbeliever is never guilty of murder.   [not immediately to hand, but this determination, has a reference either in the Hadith or in ISLAMIC law]



And within that moral framework, ISLAM normalises, and makes lawful intimidation, political violence [terrorism], rape, murder,          so long as the victims of those crimes are not moslems.

Those crimes [crimes by our laws] are all made lawful for moslems, by ISLAM !




The arguments made above found their origin, and are explored further, here.....

Quote:
Am I relieving Muslims of moral accountability for their actions?


.........we should not see Muslims as people who are behaving immorally,

I'm not talking about moral responsibility or accountability,

I'm talking about the mistake of thinking that Muslims can, as a group, be reformed.

They can't be reformed, because they don't share our moral framework,

they don't even share it enough to reject it.

What [moslems are] doing is following Islam,


which is a radically different moral framework from ours and has nothing to do with ours.

So long as we see them as people who are behaving immorally (that is, immorally according to our moral framework), and who therefore can be persuaded to reform themselves and behave better,

we are failing to see what they are and why they do the things they do.


From their point of view, their behavior is not a failure to conform to our moral framework.

They don't care about our moral framework, it's nothing to them.

They care about Islam.


In killing infidels and funding jihad and immigrating into infidel societies and deceiving the infidels who welcome them and doing all the other wicked things their religion commands them to do,

they [moslems!] are simply being good Muslims.


http://www.amnation.com/vfr/archives/016528.html






Please observe the 'justified' and 'normal' worldview which resides within the mind of the moslem, every moslem.....

AaLF wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 2:30pm:

And the sooner you too go back to your religion and start turning the other the cheek the better.

The muslims are rising from their long slumber to return to their appointed task.

To establish the Kingdom of God on the earth under his Divine Law.

And you are fighting to defend 'The Doctrines of Men".

It's not you, the unbelievers who need reminding.

Its the muslims.

Thanks muchly for your effort in that regard.





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: we should not see Muslims, as behaving immorally
Reply #1 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 10:31pm
 
No behavior is immoral in comparison to Yadda's perpetual hate rants.
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Re: we should not see Muslims, as behaving immorally
Reply #2 - Feb 13th, 2017 at 11:25pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 13th, 2017 at 10:31pm:

No behavior is immoral in comparison to Yadda's perpetual hate rants.





Aaaaaaw! You poor little thing.

Got a thorn in your side have you, diddums ?






'hate rants'  ?


Hey diddums,

You wanna see 'HATE RANTS',       just open a Koran !




"....the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
Koran 4.101


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


Fight against, Allah's enemies.....
"Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value).
And why should ye not fight in the cause of Allah and of those who, being weak, are ill-treated (and oppressed)?- Men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town, whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from thee one who will protect; and raise for us from thee one who will help!"
Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and those who reject Faith Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan."
Koran 4.74-76


Fight against, Allah's enemies.....
"Those who believe in Allah and the Last Day ask thee for no exemption from fighting...And Allah knoweth well those who do their duty."
Koran 9.44


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4


"Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves....."
Koran 48.29


"Let not the believers Take for friends or helpers Unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah:"
Koran 003.028


"O ye who believe! Take not my enemies and yours as friends (or protectors),- offering them (your) love,..."
Koran 60.1


"O ye who believe! Take not for friends unbelievers rather than believers: Do ye wish to offer Allah an open proof against yourselves?"
Koran 004.144


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"Fighting [against disbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in truth, through the Law, the Gospel, and the Qur'an: and who is more faithful to his covenant than Allah? then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded: that is the achievement supreme."
Koran 9.111


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Re: we should not see Muslims, as behaving immorally
Reply #3 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 7:30pm
 
Yadda, still betrays his Christian beliefs.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: we should not see Muslims, as behaving immorally
Reply #4 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 7:43pm
 


Isnt that arse monkey in Indonesia that called blasphemer against Ahok being busted for pornography?

Probably wedding pics of Muhammad and his child bride
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Re: we should not see Muslims, as behaving immorally
Reply #5 - Feb 15th, 2017 at 12:06am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 7:30pm:
Yadda, still betrays his Christian beliefs.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian,

I can't in good conscience give ISLAM and its adherants a 'pass'.

God forgive me.



Maybe he won't forgive Brian,

Maybe my God will give you credit, for being a better Christian than myself.





Matthew 7:21
Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.


Romans 12:9
Let love be without dissimulation. Abhor that which is evil; cleave to that which is good.


Psalms 37:27
Depart from evil, and do good; and dwell for evermore.
28  For the LORD loveth judgment, and forsaketh not his saints; they are preserved for ever: but the seed of the wicked shall be cut off.





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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