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Reply #30 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:40pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:33pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 7:49am:
See: if some nutter wants Sharia law, we just tell them 'no'.

Simples!

Stop worrying your pretty little heads over something that's never gonna happen here.


'An estimated 30 sharia councils exist in the UK, giving Islamic divorce certificates and advice on other aspects of religious law. They have garnered fierce criticism, particularly for their treatment of women seeking religious divorces, who make up the core clientele'.


"They have garnered fierce criticism"

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Reply #31 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:41pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:24pm:
your second point, if you go to "interfaith hoo-has", what do you expect?

Tell the truth, Gordy: has a Muslim ever knocked on your door and tried to sell you their religion?

Have you ever seen a Muslim putting religious pamphlets in your letterbox?


Tell that to non-Muslim prisoners beginning their time in our jails. If they don't agree to convert - they're beaten up until they either agree, or have to be put into protective custody.


Why lie?

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Reply #32 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:45pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:33pm:
BTW, I can't remember the last time I had Christian literature in my letterbox or have been doorknocked.


Grin Grin Grin

There's an exquisite irony here.

For years people complained about these religious pests knocking on doors and stuffing letter-boxes full of Junk Mail .. all to no avail.

And then leaders of a certain religious group in Australia that comprises only 2.2% of the total population lobbied the government to stop this practice as it was causing upset and grief to this Muslim community.

The politicians stopped it over-night.


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Reply #33 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:47pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:41pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:37pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:24pm:
your second point, if you go to "interfaith hoo-has", what do you expect?

Tell the truth, Gordy: has a Muslim ever knocked on your door and tried to sell you their religion?

Have you ever seen a Muslim putting religious pamphlets in your letterbox?


Tell that to non-Muslim prisoners beginning their time in our jails. If they don't agree to convert - they're beaten up until they either agree, or have to be put into protective custody.


Why lie?


Why indeed when there's no reason to?

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Reply #34 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:51pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 12:45pm:
And then leaders of a certain religious group in Australia that comprises only 2.2% of the total population lobbied the government to stop this practice as it was causing upset and grief to this Muslim community.

The politicians stopped it over-night.



Why lie?

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Reply #35 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:01pm
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 9:58am:
Perhaps you could explain this then Gandalf or forward it on to jackie.

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As a legal system, Sharia law is exceptionally broad. While other legal codes regulate public behavior, Sharia law regulates public behavior, private behavior and even private beliefs. Of all legal systems in the world today, Sharia law is the most intrusive and restrictive, especially against women. According to Sharia law:

• Theft is punishable by amputation of the right hand (above, Islamophobia).
• Criticizing or denying any part of the Quran is punishable by death.
• Criticizing Muhammad or denying that he is a prophet is punishable by death.
• Criticizing or denying Allah is punishable by death (Allah moon god).
• A Muslim who becomes a non-Muslim is punishable by death (compulsion in religion).
• A non-Muslim who leads a Muslim away from Islam is punishable by death.
• A non-Muslim man who marries a Muslim woman is punishable by death (Naskh).
• A man can marry an infant girl and consummate the marriage when she is 9 years old.
• Girls' clitoris should be cut (Muhammad's words, Book 41, Kitab Al-Adab, Hadith 5251).
• A woman can have 1 husband, who can have up to 4 wives; Muhammad can have more.
• A man can beat his wife for insubordination (Religion of Peace).
• A man can unilaterally divorce his wife; a woman needs her husband's consent to divorce.
• A divorced wife loses custody of all children over 6 years of age or when they exceed it.
• Testimonies of four male witnesses are required to prove rape against a woman.
• A woman who has been raped cannot testify in court against her rapist(s).
• A woman's testimony in court, allowed in property cases, carries ½ the weight of a man's.
• A female heir inherits half of what a male heir inherits (Errors in Quran).
• A woman cannot drive a car, as it leads to fitnah (upheaval).
• A woman cannot speak alone to a man who is not her husband or relative.
• Meat to eat must come from animals that have been sacrificed to Allah - i.e., be "Halal".
• Muslims should engage in Taqiyya and lie to non-Muslims to advance Islam.
• The list goes on (Sharia law in America, UK, Europe and Saudi Arabia).


I'm ready any time you are... Grin
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Reply #36 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:05pm
 
Do you actually try and be obtuse grendel?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 8:32am:
It is highly offensive to muslims like me and Yasminn[- who reject the barbaric interpretations of sharia, and instead insist that sharia is merely the personal obligations one has between oneself and the almighty (praying, fasting, give charity etc) 

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #37 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:11pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Do you actually try and be obtuse grendel?

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 8:32am:
It is highly offensive to muslims like me and Yasminn[- who reject the barbaric interpretations of sharia, and instead insist that sharia is merely the personal obligations one has between oneself and the almighty (praying, fasting, give charity etc) 



hence my question...  please feel free to educate us all.

Oh and I have no respect for that stupid bint from the ABC...  so don't think mentioning her will help, she's an idiot. Cheesy
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Reply #38 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:19pm
 
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Sharia law ‘affecting court rulings’
    Rebecca Urban
    The Australian
    12:00AM September 5, 2016


Two Sydney children have been placed into foster care and their 17-year-old brother reluctantly permitted to live with his violent father after their Lebanese-born mother cited “Islamic law” as the reason she was unable to care for them.

In the case highlighting how Australian courts are increasingly having to deal with the fallout from arrangements struck under Islamic, or sharia, law the mother argued religious law prevented her children living with her because her new husband should not be burdened with the responsibility for caring for them.

Sharia law was also invoked in a matter heard in November by the District Court of South Australia, where disagreement over an ­alleged loan was complicated by the existence of two contracts; one in English referring to a sum of $70,000 plus interest, another handwritten in Farsi that made no mention of interest.

The court heard evidence that under Islamic law lending money in return for interest was for­bidden and the second document had been drafted for “religious ­reasons” to hide the fact interest was being charged.

According to Flinders University academic Hossein Esmaeili, an expert in Islamic and Middle Eastern law, many Australian Muslims distrust the secular legal system, preferring traditional religious oversight of their personal and business affairs.

In a recent paper published in the Flinders Law Journal, Dr Esmaeili argues that there is significant evidence the broad principles of sharia are already being ­practised covertly by Muslims in Australia.


“While many Muslims in Australia do not support the introduction of sharia law … many follow certain sharia legal principles as part of their religious obser­vances,” he writes.


“These include matters which ordinarily are legal issues in Australia such as inheritance law, wills, paying special taxes, marriage and divorce, and matters relating to personal property, banking and finance.”

Dr Esmaeili says courts’ recognition of certain Islamic laws might help Muslims use Australia’s justice system more effectively and realise it can accommodate some sharia practices.

In one high-profile case heard by a NSW local court and, on ­appeal, by the Supreme Court, an Islamic prenuptial agreement struck by a Sydney couple was found to be enforceable under the principles of contract law. The court found the husband had initiated separation from his wife and therefore owed her $50,000 in compensation, a sharia dowry. The 2012 case was thought to be the first of its kind in Australia. According to the appeal judge, it raised the issue of the way agreements based on religious or cultural tradition should be dealt with in Australian society.

Dr Esmaeili told The Australian many Westerners associated sharia with harsh punishments and believed it to be incompatible with secular society. But it was, he pointed out, a broad philosophy governing most aspects of a Muslim’s life, ranging from daily rituals such as prayer through to the way they arranged business affairs.

He said aspects of sharia were “problematic”, such as the ancient doctrine of kofr, which separated Muslims and non-Muslims, but few Muslims wanted those ­applied in Australia. “Australia’s legal system is secular and 99.9 per cent of the community is happy with that, including Muslims,” he said. “It is not that courts here are applying Islamic law, more they are establishing the facts, which may reference Islamic principles.

“And this tends to apply to … the law of contracts, not criminal law, and nor should it.”

In the case of the Sydney children placed in foster care, the Family Court in Parramatta heard the nine- and 14-year-olds had effectively been abandoned by their mother, who divorced their father and later remarried.

Their father, also born in Lebanon, was deemed violent, lacking in parental authority and incapable of attending to the children’s needs. “The mother has completely abrogated her responsibilities as a parent in refusing to have the children live with her and proffering as an excuse that her new husband should not be required to care for another man’s children as it’s contrary to Islamic law,” the 2014 judgment said.

The court ordered the two youngest into state care, to have only supervised contact with ­either parent.

Dr Esmaeili questioned the mother’s interpretation of Islamic law. “She may have made the claim, but it is not based on Islamic law,” he said.


Now that is not a bad article, its balanced and only someone with a chip on their shoulders would have issue with what is stated.  It's obvious Muslims live by Sharia law, Gandalf and Yassmin say they do...  well bits of it.  Not sure all Muslims would be happy about that.  Some would certainly like the more barbaric aspects of it and its penalties adopted here.  Those who fight for the Caliphate and support ISIS for example.
So since Gandalf refused to clear things up, I have posted this article.  Hope that helps gandalf. Roll Eyes
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Reply #39 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:20pm
 
What question? You asked me to explain those "laws" - I reply by saying they are not, in my opinion, part of sharia.

What else do you want me to say? Are you dissapointed I'm not declaring my support for barbarity?
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #40 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:23pm
 
Muslims tell us to learn Sharia Law when there's multiple versions and interpretations . Just like the Koran has various interpretations. It's impossible when they don't even know what sharia law is.
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Reply #41 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:26pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:20pm:
What question? You asked me to explain those "laws" - I reply by saying they are not, in my opinion, part of sharia.

What else do you want me to say? Are you dissapointed I'm not declaring my support for barbarity?
So you don't even know what Sharia law is?
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Reply #42 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:32pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:20pm:
What question? You asked me to explain those "laws" - I reply by saying they are not, in my opinion, part of sharia.
The one implicit in my request you explain what is contained in the post.


What else do you want me to say? Are you dissapointed I'm not declaring my support for barbarity? 
Nope I don't support it either.  I was giving you the opportunity to explain yourself and Sharia...  you refused.  Not to worry I've started doing it for you.  Are you sure you are not bwian?????
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Reply #43 - Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:33pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 14th, 2017 at 1:23pm:
Muslims tell us to learn Sharia Law when there's multiple versions and interpretations . Just like the Koran has various interpretations. It's impossible when they don't even know what sharia law is.

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Cheers Grendel. Smiley Smiley
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