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ISIS call for attacks on Australian muslim leaders
Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:35am

...for promoting peace and cooperating with "kuffar" authorities.

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slamic State has taken aim at several Australian religious scholars in its latest propaganda video, calling on followers to kill the sheikhs because they discourage violence.

Youth leader Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman, NSW Police Force chaplain Sheikh Ahmed Abdo and the Grand Mufti of Australia, Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, have been branded "collaborators, informers and apostates" in the 25-minute video titled Fight the leaders of disbelief.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/australian-muslim-leaders-targeted-in-islamic-state-pr...

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18652 Gender:	Re: ISIS call for attacks on Australian muslim leaders Reply #1 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:48am Can you cite the verses that says muslims should obey the (non Islamic) laws of the land ? Considering the vast resources used by Law enforcement to prevent Islamic terror how can you say the Grand Mufti is promoting peace when that looks like an epic fail to non muslim Australians.
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: ISIS call for attacks on Australian muslim leaders Reply #2 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:58am define "vast resources" baron - do you have a figure? and does that figure somehow demonstrate a lack of will on behalf of the Islamic leaders?
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Re: ISIS call for attacks on Australian muslim leaders
Reply #3 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 10:13am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:58am:

define "vast resources" baron - do you have a figure? and does that figure somehow demonstrate a lack of will on behalf of the Islamic leaders?

The $1.2 billion budget for counter terrorism measures sounds like vast resources to me.

businessinsider.com.au/the-budget-1-2-billion-for-counter-terrorism-measures-201...

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #4 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 12:30pm

Its not. Not really, when compared to an overall national security/defense budget of more than 35 billion. And its not even specifically targeted against muslims. Nationalist right wing movements are being monitored too, and resources for these are obviously covered by the same budget.

And besides, you haven't explained how this budget demonstrates a lack of will on behalf of the Australian muslim leaders. Those leaders have work to do, yes, but its nonsensical to think that they can somehow do it without the help of Australian law enforcement.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49345 At my desk.	Re: ISIS call for attacks on Australian muslim leaders Reply #5 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 3:58pm This is how Islam initially spread Gandalf, and how it holds such a tight reign on most of the land conquered by the Caliphate. Why can they not justify killing these people for their treachery against the nascent Islamic State, just like the excuse you offer for Muhammed?
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Re: ISIS call for attacks on Australian muslim leaders
Reply #6 - Feb 14^th, 2017 at 4:21pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:58am:

define "vast resources" baron - do you have a figure? and does that figure somehow demonstrate a lack of will on behalf of the Islamic leaders?

I can see what people mean about police expenditure on countering Muslims. Sydney was said to have had a real problem trying to police the trouble from Muslims. We in Rockhampton have seen what a couple families of Muslims can do (most other Muslims being decent). When the trouble makers moved on, things returned to normal.

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Reply #7 - Feb 16^th, 2017 at 1:11pm

We commend the efforts of anyone who opposes violence, but you have to ask yourself this question. What religion, other than Islam, requires the faithful to be talked out of committing acts of violence in Australia? Is there not some fundamental truth about Islam in the answer?

There is an overriding intention in the linked article to further the Middle-Left hope that “all Muzlims are not terrorists.” Using ISIS kill-on-sight orders to defelect attention away from the rest of Islam, is a pretty cheap but common idea in “progressive” journalism. But is it that easy to forget Bali?

The problem with tolerating Islam is that the ISIS point of view is repeated throughout the countries that are run by Muzlims. You just have to look at the decrees from Iran's fanatical Muzlim tough guys.

Or if you want to actual test the waters, so to speak, try taking a walk through downtown Karachi while preaching tolerance of the Infidel. See if you don't get a pretty close Daniel Pearl style shave.

ISIS propaganda has an ironic point. Muzlims who preach tolerance from the the comfort of Western societies, are doing so under Western influence. But even more telling, is the fact that the necessity to turn Muzlims away from committing atrocities in Australia, is a clear indication that they did not come here to be Australian. They are here to spread Islam by what means is necessary.

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Reply #8 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:43pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 14^th, 2017 at 9:35am:

...for promoting peace and cooperating with "kuffar" authorities.

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slamic State has taken aim at several Australian religious scholars in its latest propaganda video, calling on followers to kill the sheikhs because they discourage violence.

Youth leader Sheikh Shady Alsuleiman, NSW Police Force chaplain Sheikh Ahmed Abdo and the Grand Mufti of Australia, Ibrahim Abu Mohamed, have been branded "collaborators, informers and apostates" in the 25-minute video titled Fight the leaders of disbelief.

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/australian-muslim-leaders-targeted-in-islamic-state-pr...

I can't fault it, whilst you lot are killing each other your not killing Christians Buddhists Hindu people. I think there should be more of it.

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Re: ISIS call for attacks on Australian muslim leaders
Reply #9 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 5:13pm

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qur'an 5.32: Because of that, We decreed upon the Children of Israel that whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one - it is as if he had saved mankind entirely. And our messengers had certainly come to them with clear proofs. Then indeed many of them, [even] after that, throughout the land, were transgressors.

qur'an 5.33: Indeed, the penalty for those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and strive upon earth [to cause] corruption is none but that they be killed or crucified or that their hands and feet be cut off from opposite sides or that they be exiled from the land. That is for them a disgrace in this world; and for them in the Hereafter is a great punishment,

The true blue muzzies have every right to torture and kill the corrupters.

muslims who lie and tell us islam is all lovey dovey and means no harm to anybody, are hypocrites and deceivers.

The jihadists are commanded to kill them.

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Re: ISIS call for attacks on Australian muslim leaders
Reply #10 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:44pm

issuevoter wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

We commend the efforts of anyone who opposes violence, but you have to ask yourself this question. What religion, other than Islam, requires the faithful to be talked out of committing acts of violence in Australia? Is there not some fundamental truth about Islam in the answer?

There is an overriding intention in the linked article to further the Middle-Left hope that “all Muzlims are not terrorists.” Using ISIS kill-on-sight orders to defelect attention away from the rest of Islam, is a pretty cheap but common idea in “progressive” journalism. But is it that easy to forget Bali?

The problem with tolerating Islam is that the ISIS point of view is repeated throughout the countries that are run by Muzlims. You just have to look at the decrees from Iran's fanatical Muzlim tough guys.

Or if you want to actual test the waters, so to speak, try taking a walk through downtown Karachi while preaching tolerance of the Infidel. See if you don't get a pretty close Daniel Pearl style shave.

ISIS propaganda has an ironic point. Muzlims who preach tolerance from the the comfort of Western societies, are doing so under Western influence. But even more telling, is the fact that the necessity to turn Muzlims away from committing atrocities in Australia, is a clear indication that they did not come here to be Australian. They are here to spread Islam by what means is necessary.

Christians commit far more acts of violence within Australian society than Muslims do, IssueVoter. You concentrate on Muslims because they are a minority and cannot fight back against your persecution. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49345 At my desk.	Re: ISIS call for attacks on Australian muslim leaders Reply #11 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 8:05pm Quote: Christians commit far more acts of violence within Australian society than Muslims do, IssueVoter. Do you think we should let more Muslims in to even it up a bit?
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Re: ISIS call for attacks on Australian muslim leaders
Reply #12 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 8:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

We commend the efforts of anyone who opposes violence, but you have to ask yourself this question. What religion, other than Islam, requires the faithful to be talked out of committing acts of violence in Australia? Is there not some fundamental truth about Islam in the answer?

There is an overriding intention in the linked article to further the Middle-Left hope that “all Muzlims are not terrorists.” Using ISIS kill-on-sight orders to defelect attention away from the rest of Islam, is a pretty cheap but common idea in “progressive” journalism. But is it that easy to forget Bali?

The problem with tolerating Islam is that the ISIS point of view is repeated throughout the countries that are run by Muzlims. You just have to look at the decrees from Iran's fanatical Muzlim tough guys.

Or if you want to actual test the waters, so to speak, try taking a walk through downtown Karachi while preaching tolerance of the Infidel. See if you don't get a pretty close Daniel Pearl style shave.

ISIS propaganda has an ironic point. Muzlims who preach tolerance from the the comfort of Western societies, are doing so under Western influence. But even more telling, is the fact that the necessity to turn Muzlims away from committing atrocities in Australia, is a clear indication that they did not come here to be Australian. They are here to spread Islam by what means is necessary.

Christians commit far more acts of violence within Australian society than Muslims do, IssueVoter. You concentrate on Muslims because they are a minority and cannot fight back against your persecution. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Why does Sydney have a MEOCS?

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Re: ISIS call for attacks on Australian muslim leaders
Reply #14 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 9:13pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:44pm:

issuevoter wrote on Feb 16^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

We commend the efforts of anyone who opposes violence, but you have to ask yourself this question. What religion, other than Islam, requires the faithful to be talked out of committing acts of violence in Australia? Is there not some fundamental truth about Islam in the answer?

There is an overriding intention in the linked article to further the Middle-Left hope that “all Muzlims are not terrorists.” Using ISIS kill-on-sight orders to defelect attention away from the rest of Islam, is a pretty cheap but common idea in “progressive” journalism. But is it that easy to forget Bali?

The problem with tolerating Islam is that the ISIS point of view is repeated throughout the countries that are run by Muzlims. You just have to look at the decrees from Iran's fanatical Muzlim tough guys.

Or if you want to actual test the waters, so to speak, try taking a walk through downtown Karachi while preaching tolerance of the Infidel. See if you don't get a pretty close Daniel Pearl style shave.

ISIS propaganda has an ironic point. Muzlims who preach tolerance from the the comfort of Western societies, are doing so under Western influence. But even more telling, is the fact that the necessity to turn Muzlims away from committing atrocities in Australia, is a clear indication that they did not come here to be Australian. They are here to spread Islam by what means is necessary.

Christians commit far more acts of violence within Australian society than Muslims do, IssueVoter. You concentrate on Muslims because they are a minority and cannot fight back against your persecution. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

How many Christians are in gaol for mass murder terrorist plots bwian?

How many Australian Christians are killing people in the name of their God or religion?

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