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Slavery and rape aren’t wrong when Muslims do it.
Feb 15^th, 2017 at 8:35am

"I don’t think it’s morally evil to own somebody."

"A male owner of a female slave has the right to sexual access to her.”

These views don’t come from an ISIS underground bunker, but out of the brilliantly lit halls of Georgetown University where rape and slavery are defended by an Islamic studies professor."

. . . ."I don’t think it’s morally evil to own somebody,” (Prof)Jonathan Brown explained to attendees at his lecture. “Slavery cannot just be treated as a moral evil in and of itself.”

. . . ."To a man who argued that slavery was wrong, Brown retorted, “How can you say, if you’re Muslim, the Prophet of God had slaves. He had slaves. There’s no denying that. Was he—are you more morally mature than the Prophet of God? No you’re not.”

Slavery can’t be wrong. Not if Mohammed, the prophet of Allah and founder of Islam, had slaves. The Koran is the touchstone of Brown’s personal morality, as it is of every Muslim.

Mohammed was the perfect man and a role model for all Muslims. Therefore rape and child abuse can’t be wrong either. Not when the founder of Islam was both a rapist and a pedophile."

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http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/265794/rape-and-slavery-no-campus-will-condemn-d...

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Reply #1 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 10:27am

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During his talk at Georgetown University, Jonathan A.C. Brown condemned slavery when it took place historically in America and other Western countries, but praised the practise of slavery as it happened in Muslim societies, explained that Muslim slaves lived "a pretty good life", and claimed that it is "not immoral for one human to own another human."

Regarding the vexed matter of whether it is right or wrong to have sex with one of your slaves, Brown, who is director of the Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, said that "consent isn't necessary for lawful sex".

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bogarde,

Could i just posit on this forum, that it is obvious that (Prof)Jonathan Brown holds extremely 'progressive' views !

LOL

QUESTION;
Any Lefties here on OzPol want to express that they concur with the opinion of the good Prof ?

HEY, BRIAN,

(Prof)Jonathan Brown must be a Christian eh ?

[(Prof)Jonathan Brown] 'who is director of the Alwaleed bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding'

Well, if (Prof)Jonathan Brown is tolerant of ISLAM, then he can't be all bad [even if he is a Christian], eh Brian !!!!!

Cheesy

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Slavery and rape aren’t wrong when Muslims do it. Reply #2 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 11:19am They'll choose to concur tacitly.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138382 Gender:	Re: Slavery and rape aren’t wrong when Muslims do it. Reply #3 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:21pm David Horowitz. He blamed slavery on black Africans abetted by dark-skinned Arabs, didn't he?
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Reply #4 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:41pm

Did he? Go away and find it and post it. We'll all be interested.
Of course among the worst enemies of the African slaves were and still are the Arab slave traders together with their own tribal chiefs.

But what about the subject matter? Is this true that the Koran or Quran or Arab Crazy Book tells muslims they can have sex slaves and child sexual objects?
I don't know so I'm interested to hear rebuttals of this article.
Maybe this professor is just another LW crazy. There are so many of them about these days.

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Reply #5 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:43pm

"When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it."

- Frederic Bastiat

It is an article of faith of ISLAM, that the lands and the possessions of all other peoples, belong to moslems.

"Or have they gods that can guard them from Us? They have no power to aid themselves, nor can they be defended from Us.
...See they not that We gradually reduce the land (in their control) from its outlying borders? Is it then they who will win?"
Koran 21:43-44

"And He made you [moslems] heirs to their [non-moslem] land and their dwellings and their property, and (to) a land which you have not yet trodden, and Allah has power over all things."
Koran 33:27

ISLAM is a creed which teaches, to the moslem, that the whole world belongs to him.

And that all that the moslem need do, is to take what is his - that is what ISLAM teaches to moslems.

And how are moslems encouraged, to take what is theirs ?

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"The peak, the pinnacle, the crest, the highest point, the pivot, the summit of Islam is jihad,...."

- Sheik Feiz Mohammed

Allah's Apostle said,

"I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy)...."

hadith/bukhari #004.052.220

".....I have been given superiority......; I have been helped by terror (in the hearts of enemies):....."

hadithsunnah/muslim/ #004.1062

It is SATAN's creed

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 138382 Gender:	Re: Slavery and rape aren’t wrong when Muslims do it. Reply #6 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:48pm bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:41pm: Did he? Pretty sure he did. He's a bit of a racist.
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bogarde73 Gold Member Offline Anti-Global & Contra Mundum Posts: 18443 Gender:	Re: Slavery and rape aren’t wrong when Muslims do it. Reply #7 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:48pm I have a working relationship with Satan. He/She doesn't bother me with things like conscience or bad luck . . .so far. I don't annoy Him/Her by throwing salt over my shoulder.
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Reply #8 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:12pm

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:48pm:

I have a working relationship with Satan.

He/She doesn't bother me with things like conscience or bad luck . . .so far. I don't annoy Him/Her by throwing salt over my shoulder.

bogarde,

All men 'accommodate' SATAN, to some degree.

It is just the nature of the beast [the flesh], and it is what we all do, this world has taught every one of us, that we need to 'go along, to get along' [to get what we want, and to get what our flesh desires].

But do we ?

John 12:42
Nevertheless among the chief rulers also many believed on him; but because of the Pharisees they did not confess him, lest they should be put out of the synagogue:
43 For they loved the praise of men more than the praise of God.

And look what Jesus fate was !!!!!!! Shocked

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Reply #9 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:25pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:21pm:

David Horowitz.

He blamed slavery on black Africans abetted by dark-skinned Arabs, didn't he?

And he was quite correct - except for the 'Arabs' bit (I think).

The slave trade could never have become an industry but for a series of coastal tribes who captured Africans and passed them 'down the line' to the embarkation ports. American Negroes now visitting these ports are astonished to hear for the first time from African tourist guides that there were more than 10 times the number of blacks involved in the people-trafficking business than there were whites.

It was Africans themselves who delivered all those thousands of blacks to the slave ports for white man's goodies.

I've seen the documentary.

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Reply #10 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:29pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:48pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:41pm:

Did he?

Pretty sure he did.

He's a bit of a racist.

But what about the subject matter as I asked?
Don't want to get into that one?
A rebuttal would be good.

PS Doesn't matter really. Gandalf will be along sometime. I have invaded his mosque and brought viewers, probably still with their shoes on.
He'll have something to say about this bloke and the truth of it all or not.

And of course that other Islamist, Brian whatshisname, he'll have his two bobs worth I expect, littered with his usual abusive language and threats. Very Islamic.

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Reply #11 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:50pm

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:48pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:41pm:

Did he?

Pretty sure he did.

He's a bit of a racist.

But what about the subject matter as I asked?

Slavery and rape are wrong, no matter who does it.

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Reply #12 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:48pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:41pm:

Did he?

Pretty sure he did.

He's a bit of a racist.

But what about the subject matter as I asked?

Slavery and rape are wrong, no matter who does it.

Because Muhammed practiced slavery (it was both an economic and sexual cornerstone of his empire) Muslims can never say it is inherently wrong.

That's why it was so difficult to eradicate slavery from the Muslim world, and why it is still not fully complete.

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Reply #13 - Feb 15^th, 2017 at 7:51pm

freediver wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:50pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 1:29pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:48pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Feb 15^th, 2017 at 12:41pm:

Did he?

Pretty sure he did.

He's a bit of a racist.

But what about the subject matter as I asked?

Slavery and rape are wrong, no matter who does it.

Because Muhammed practiced slavery (it was both an economic and sexual cornerstone of his empire) Muslims can never say it is inherently wrong.

That's why it was so difficult to eradicate slavery from the Muslim world, and why it is still not fully complete.

Some "Muslims can never say it is inherently wrong".

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