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Reply #105 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:04pm

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:00pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:18pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

It doesn't make sense Gandalf, that's the point.

You don't make sense FD. You argue against an official explanation on the basis it doesn't make sense... by promoting an explanation that makes even less sense.

DFAT is officially not explaining a thing Gandalf. The dichotomy you suggest is not real. Whether they intended, or nominally paid her to spew Islamic propaganda or "promote Australia" is irrelevant. What they got was DFAT money funding an islamic propaganda tour of the middle east. Whether this was deliberate or a result of incompetence makes no difference. That sort of incompetence is not something we should tolerate from people handing out our money.

Effendi, there is a problem here. May I remind you that you commenced this Thread and you coined the Title which is ~ DFAT
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Reply #107 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:16pm

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:11pm:

Thanks Aussie.

Do you think it was deliberate, or the result of incompetence, like Gandalf insists?

Your Thread, so yes, Effendi, the Title was a deliberate act of yours. Yet, it seems now you are saying you may have just plucked it out of Grendel's arse with the latest assertion that DFAT is not saying.

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Reply #108 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:23pm

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

How many oil company executives do you see here Gandalf? How many trade ministers?

http://www.ozpolitic.com/album/forum-attachments/d811318c5c155ea968db3fb75834fa2...

None. Oil company executives have nametags, wear suits, are men, and, as a rule, are white.

The people you're showing here are likely to be female students, probably learning all about Yassmin's journey as a tinted Western Muslim lady from her book, My Story.

Imagine DFAT trying to promote Australia as a country with tolerant, liberated Muslim women. Cunning, no?

How sinister and diabolical they are. And just think:

They would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for that amateur sleuth, FD.

Drats. Foiled again.

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Reply #110 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:51pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:49pm:

kemal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:32pm:

kemal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 4:39pm:

The alleged banu Qurayza massacre almost certainly didn't happen - have I mentioned that before?

Are you able to give a "Non Islamic" link to that please Gandalf? If too hard give me an Islamic link please.

quote author=gandalf link=1487240389/64#64 date=1487399997]Besides, heads of state tend to judge harshly people who declare war against them - regardless of their religion.

I agree, but did the heinous Jews not surrender and your only Prophet accept that, and if so why did a merchant of GOD have to KILL them?

Any chance of an answer so I may be illuminated into islams inner sanctums?

The best and most comprehensive analysis remains Arafat's influential paper. You can obtain a free copy from jstor:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25203706?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
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I will attempt to purchase it!

If I find it to be based on lies will you refund the price?

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Brian Ross on why Muslims kill Quote:-" It appears to be a cultural thing, rather than something they have learnt from their religion, despite what you appear to believe."

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Reply #111 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:59pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:49pm:

kemal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:32pm:

kemal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 4:39pm:

The alleged banu Qurayza massacre almost certainly didn't happen - have I mentioned that before?

Are you able to give a "Non Islamic" link to that please Gandalf? If too hard give me an Islamic link please.

quote author=gandalf link=1487240389/64#64 date=1487399997]Besides, heads of state tend to judge harshly people who declare war against them - regardless of their religion.

I agree, but did the heinous Jews not surrender and your only Prophet accept that, and if so why did a merchant of GOD have to KILL them?

Any chance of an answer so I may be illuminated into islams inner sanctums?

The best and most comprehensive analysis remains Arafat's influential paper. You can obtain a free copy from jstor:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25203706?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
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Just checked, some people don't like his rebuttal of the massacre, any more sources that may have a tinge of reality to them?

Thanks in advance.

"The article is widely used in Muslim message boards to deflect the Banu Qurayza incident which it seems everyone accepts occurred and it seems that only the scale of the murders/execution, depending on your point of view is in questions. The argument is simple and Arafat sees it as a minor incident and not the wholesale slaughter spoken of by Ibn Ishaq. He argued that the only significant sources are Muslim and although he agrees that Ibn Ishaq's has the most detail he regards him as unreliable and others quoted say he was a liar. In addition to Ibn Ishaq's accounts Arafat cites some others although they all contain supernatural insertions and cannot therefore be accepted as factually accurate."

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Brian Ross on why Muslims kill Quote:-" It appears to be a cultural thing, rather than something they have learnt from their religion, despite what you appear to believe."

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Reply #112 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 9:09pm

Sharia Law vs The Apologists
Lots of goodies in this article.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-sh...

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Abdel-Magied and the Islamist collective that is demanding an apology from ABC are not interested in this kind of inconvenient truth. They want to deflect attention away from the problems inherent in sharia law.

In my view, the Australian government should stop funding people such as Abdel-Magied, and the other partners they have, and instead find progressive, reform-minded Muslims who will help with the vital task of assimilating Muslims into Australian society.

The only way to resolve the fundamental challenge to women’s rights posed by sharia law is to criticise its problematic aspects openly.

The successful assimilation of Muslim immigrants in Australia is an achievable goal, but not on the basis of the hypocrisy and phony indignation in which the likes of Abdel-Magied specialise.

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Reply #113 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 1:34am

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 4:09pm:

Islam should be a purely personal journey, it has no place in the laws of the land IMO.

More than 90% of the Quran is dedicated to emphasising the personal/spiritual aspects and obligations for muslims in their worship.

And to my understanding, none of the passages detailing the 'law of the land' things are obligatory.

If I remember correctly there is a quote that prefaces all these commands that states something like 'if you have a better way, use that'.

I have to assume, that many moslems are actually allergic to ISLAM.

It seems to be bowing down before the ISLAMIC deity al-communal, which the moslem seems to be addicted to. Tongue

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February 17, 2017 at 12:08 pm

Most Muslims prefer to live in the free West, rather than in a Sharia dictatorship.

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/02/raymond-ibrahim-trump-to-american-muslims-bec...

gandalf certainly does.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #114 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 1:41am

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 9:09pm:

Sharia Law vs The Apologists
Lots of goodies in this article.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/inquirer/how-do-you-solve-a-problem-like-sh...

Quote:

Abdel-Magied and the Islamist collective that is demanding an apology from ABC are not interested in this kind of inconvenient truth. They want to deflect attention away from the problems inherent in sharia law.

In my view, the Australian government should stop funding people such as Abdel-Magied, and the other partners they have, and instead find progressive, reform-minded Muslims who will help with the vital task of assimilating Muslims into Australian society.

The only way to resolve the fundamental challenge to women’s rights posed by sharia law is to criticise its problematic aspects openly.

The successful assimilation of Muslim immigrants in Australia is an achievable goal, but not on the basis of the hypocrisy and phony indignation in which the likes of Abdel-Magied specialise.

In my experience, it is impossible to reason with the moslem.

We [who are not moslems] have only one of two options three options;

1/ Tolerate and 'accommodate' the moslem, and expect eventual death at his hand.

2/ Remove him from our presence.

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3/ Convert to ISLAM. Shocked

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #115 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:41am

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:26pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 11:45am:

Do you reckon there might be sound economic reasons to promote Australia to the Middle East that DFAT (you know the guys who are actually responsible for overseas trade and stuff like that) are aware of?

Not really thinking this through are you FD?

Do you see any business logic in Australia sending over high profile ambassadors to promote Australia as a stable, tolerant, multicultural country? Do you think this might help promote Australia as a good place to do business in?

Or do you think oil company execs would do a better job of that?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #116 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:50am

I would expect DFAT to be a little more focussed on direct support rather than image management among people highly unlikely to make investment decisions. You could justify just about any form of waste otherwise. This is exactly the sort of idiocy bureaucrats should get fired for.

DFAT realise this, which is why they are giving the taxpayers the silent treatment on where their money went.

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Reply #117 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:50am

Aussie wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:11pm:

Thanks Aussie.

Do you think it was deliberate, or the result of incompetence, like Gandalf insists?

Your Thread, so yes, Effendi, the Title was a deliberate act of yours. Yet, it seems now you are saying you may have just plucked it out of Grendel's arse with the latest assertion that DFAT is not saying.

Ah yes the other lying hypocrite.... should I start mentioning you in every post in a similar vein Aussie... hmmmm..... TROLL away, hypocrite. Cheesy

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Reply #118 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:55am

Still like this.... so was it self promotion or not. What was the name of her book she was pushing? Oh and do you really think she is a high profile Muslim in the Australian Community? Really?

I note photos of her show her in rooms full of women, seems contacts with male oil tycoons and executives were not on the agenda.

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Reply #119 - Feb 19^th, 2017 at 9:14am

freediver wrote on Feb 19^th, 2017 at 8:50am:

I would expect DFAT to be a little more focussed on direct support rather than image management among people highly unlikely to make investment decisions. You could justify just about any form of waste otherwise. This is exactly the sort of idiocy bureaucrats should get fired for.

But FD you are not merely lamenting the waste of money by DFAT bureaucrats. You bring in baseless claims of them colluding in the spread of Islamic propaganda (whatever that means) - and worst of all, dishonestly linking this to a completely unrelated comments she made on Q&A - which you may or may not think she was paid by DFAT to say (you are deliberately being cryptic about this).

What this comes down to is outrage for the sake of outrage because it happens to be all about a confident, liberated, successful muslim woman who wears a hijab. There is literally no other logical explanation for why you would link the two completely unrelated events and misleadingly imply they are related.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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