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Reply #15 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:03pm
 
Activist Yassmin Abdel-Magied ‘blind’ to Islam’s treatment of women

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The Muslim activist who said on national television that Islam was “the most feminist religion” has been criticised by former prime minister Tony Abbott for being “blindfolded” during a taxpayer-funded speaking tour of the ­Middle East and Africa.

Yassmin Abdel-Magied triggered a debate over Islam and feminism after a fiery exchange with senator Jacqui Lambie on the effects of sharia during ­Monday’s Q&A on ABC TV.

“If she’s right that ‘Islam is a feminist religion’, how come such terrible things are done to women in its name?” Mr Abbott said.

The Australian revealed ­yesterday that the federal government paid for Ms Abdel-Magied to tour some of the world’s most repressive Islamic regimes last November, promoting her book about being a Sudanese-­Egyptian-Australian Muslim woman who wears the hijab.

Mr Abbott said Ms Abdel-­Magied was “entitled to her view” but “she must have been wearing a blindfold on her taxpayer-­funded tour”.

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Her views of Islam as a feminist religion also appear to be at odds with her co-member of the Australian government-funded Council for Arab Australian Relations, Joumanah El Matrah.

In a 2015 submission to Victoria’s Royal Commission into Family Violence, Ms El Matrah, who is also chief executive of the Australian Muslim Women’s Human Rights Centre, said there were “significant problems” in how Islam was interpreted, which caused violence against women.

Ms El Matrah has previously declared that Muslim women and children would be “extremely ­disadvantaged” by any form of sharia court. “Among Muslims, the interpretations and application of ­Islamic doctrine in relation to women varies considerably and, given the diversity of Muslims globally, there is a lack of consensus as to the status of women, and this has a direct impact on their treatment in Islam,” she said. “Orthodox interpretative frameworks allocate women an inferior status to men and this directly affects marital and family relationships, rendering women vulnerable to violence and abuse.”

She said there were “significant problems of interpretation of Islamic doctrine relating to the status of women, how they are to be treated in the home and the level of control permissible by a husband over his wife”.

The Australian’s coverage of Ms Abdel-Magied’s speaking tour was raised in parliament ­yesterday during a debate about section 18C of the Racial Discrimination Act, on the same day parliament also debated a bill proposed by Senator Lambie to restrict the wearing of the burqa.

Greens senator Nick McKim launched an attack on this newspaper yesterday for publishing details of Ms Abdel-Magied’s tour of the Middle East and North Africa. “It’s a straight, simple character assassination by The Australian, as they always do … when someone dares raise their head above the parapet and make comments with which they disagree,” Senator McKim said. “It is a disgusting, race-baiting rag.”

Liberal backbencher Eric Abetz described Senator McKim’s statements as “outlandish”. “It is a statement of fact that in many of the parts of the Middle East where Ms Abdel-Magied visited, women would be stoned to death for seeking an education and people even suspected of being gay are thrown off buildings,” Senator Abetz said.

Mr Abbott commended The Australian for bringing “common sense to this discussion”.

Senator Lambie said yesterday Muslim women had been “emboldened” by her call to ban the face-covering burqa. “I’ve been told by this person who came to visit me and I trust and respect very much that these Muslim women have been emboldened and given hope by my public comments and the provisions within this bill,” she said during a speech in favour of her bill to ban the burqa yesterday.

The ban is linked to the nat­ional terrorism threat level, kicking in when the threat reaches “probable”. The threat level is currently at “probable”.

Commenting on the debate about feminism and Islam, Australian Muslim Women’s Human Rights Centre chairwoman Tasmeen Chopra said anti-women issues in relation to Islam were “not text-based”.

“To be honest, in Australian Muslims’ lives right now the argument about feminism is not front and centre,” she said.

Sheik Shady Alsuleiman, who attended Malcolm Turnbull’s Iftar dinner last year with Ms Abdel-Magied and has made comments in a lecture saying gay people spread diseases, said last year that Allah gave “authority for men over women” but this meant that they must be “dutiful”.

Sociologist and feminist Eva Cox said there were good and bad parts of Islam and any other religion but that a “farrago of popular nonsense” was responsible for hijacking the debate about the protection of women as a means to impugn all Muslims.
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Reply #16 - Feb 17th, 2017 at 9:09pm
 
Yeah but McKim is a dope Islam isn't a race.
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Reply #17 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 11:16am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 6:43am:
Its a strange title FD.

Seems DFAT was paying her to spread Australian propaganda.


What is Australian about this?

she describe­d Islam as “the most femin­ist” of all relig­ions


Try reading your own articles for a change FD.

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Asked to explain the purpose, rationale and cost of the tour, DFAT said: “Yassmin Abdel-Magied­ visited a number of countries­ in the Middle East to promote Australia as an open, innovative, democratic and diverse nation. She met youth representatives, scientists, entrepreneurs, women’s groups and others.”

The statement said DFAT posts or embassies in the Middle East funded the visit “from existing budgets”, but declined to reveal­ the cost. Promoting her tour of the Middle East and North Africa, Ms Abdel-Magied blogged: “I’m ­incredibly honoured to be hosted by the Australian Embassies … I’ll be visit­ing a number of countries, and although not all stops have public events I will do my best to make time to meet people ­inshallah. If you can come to any of the public sessions though, I would LOVE to see you there!”
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Reply #18 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 11:22am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 6:43am:
Its a strange title FD.

Seems DFAT was paying her to spread Australian propaganda.


What is Australian about this?

she describe­d Islam as “the most femin­ist” of all relig­ions


Presumably there is some point to that quote that is relevant to the accusation in the thread title? I suppose Yasminn was paid by DFAT to go on Q&A and promote 'Islamic propaganda'?

Can you actually explain how you interpret this DFAT funded trip as 'funding Islamic propaganda'? Does it make sense to you that a muslim being paid to visit muslim countries to promote Australia equates to 'Islamic propaganda'? Not sure how that works.

You seem to be conflating the tours she took with the completely unrelated matter of her Q&A appearance.
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Reply #19 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 11:35am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 11:22am:
freediver wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 5:15pm:
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 17th, 2017 at 6:43am:
Its a strange title FD.

Seems DFAT was paying her to spread Australian propaganda.


What is Australian about this?

she describe­d Islam as “the most femin­ist” of all relig­ions


Presumably there is some point to that quote that is relevant to the accusation in the thread title? I suppose Yasminn was paid by DFAT to go on Q&A and promote 'Islamic propaganda'?

Can you actually explain how you interpret this DFAT funded trip as 'funding Islamic propaganda'? Does it make sense to you that a muslim being paid to visit muslim countries to promote Australia equates to 'Islamic propaganda'? Not sure how that works.

You seem to be conflating the tours she took with the completely unrelated matter of her Q&A appearance.



Well that has to stop for a start, we want less muslims in Aus, not more. If she was to promote Aus to the world, or more likely, islam to gullible lefties, then she can do it with her own money.

She is nothing more than a scam artist ripping off the Australian taxpayer instead of paying her own way. Who would have thought that a muslim would do such a thing.

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Reply #20 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 11:45am
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 11:35am:
If she was to promote Aus to the world, or more likely, islam to gullible lefties


Ah yes, all those 'gullible lefties' in the Middle East.

Do you reckon there might be sound economic reasons to promote Australia to the Middle East that DFAT (you know the guys who are actually responsible for overseas trade and stuff like that) are aware of?
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Reply #21 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:01pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 11:45am:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 11:35am:
If she was to promote Aus to the world, or more likely, islam to gullible lefties


Ah yes, all those 'gullible lefties' in the Middle East.

Do you reckon there might be sound economic reasons to promote Australia to the Middle East that DFAT (you know the guys who are actually responsible for overseas trade and stuff like that) are aware of?



Were you not aware that she made it all the way back here to go on Q&A and tell everyone the islam is the most feminist religion in the world. Now what type of cretin would believe that? That's right a lefty.


Since when has this apologist become our ME trade negotiator, because that is news to me, and probably her too.


She is scamming the Australian taxpayer for free money, nothing more.


Didn't we have to stop exporting to a few islamic countries due to the vile level of cruelty they like to inflict on animals as they kill them?

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Reply #22 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:25pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:01pm:
Were you not aware that she made it all the way back here to go on Q&A and tell everyone the islam is the most feminist religion in the world. Now what type of cretin would believe that?


It is. But I must admit its not up against much competition. The bible for example pins the blame of the "original sin" to women, making them forever irredeemably mistrustful. And for that, women forever after are to be punished by having to go through the agony of child birth. The bible constantly depicts women simultaneously as inferior and inately devious - and men shouldn't hesitate to execute them at the first hint of disobedience or promiscuity.

The Quran on the other hand did away with the whole 'women are to blame for the fall of man' nonsense, emphasised a whole swathe of protections for women, and was the first text of its kind to stipulate inheritance and property rights for women.

That the middle east is dominated by misogynists who choose to ignore Quranic sanctioned rights for women - does not change the fact that the Islamic law itself is inherently feminist.
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Reply #23 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:37pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:25pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:01pm:
Were you not aware that she made it all the way back here to go on Q&A and tell everyone the islam is the most feminist religion in the world. Now what type of cretin would believe that?


It is. But I must admit its not up against much competition. The bible for example pins the blame of the "original sin" to women, making them forever irredeemably mistrustful. And for that, women forever after are to be punished by having to go through the agony of child birth. The bible constantly depicts women simultaneously as inferior and inately devious - and men shouldn't hesitate to execute them at the first hint of disobedience or promiscuity.

The Quran on the other hand did away with the whole 'women are to blame for the fall of man' nonsense, emphasised a whole swathe of protections for women, and was the first text of its kind to stipulate inheritance and property rights for women.

That the middle east is dominated by misogynists who choose to ignore Quranic sanctioned rights for women - does not change the fact that the Islamic law itself is inherently feminist.



So pretty much every single muslim man has either not read the koran or chooses to not give a sh1t of what it has to say about the treatment of women.

Because muslims tend to treat their women like sh1t and the 'more muslim' they are the more sh1tty the treatment.


Pretty much not worth the paper it is written on. You don't hear the catholics crapping on about being the most child friendly religion on the planet, do you? Because it isn't, regardless of what their bible says.

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Reply #24 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:44pm
 
Is it?
How many female Imams are there in Islam?

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3:36PM February 14, 2017
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How appalling. Two Australian women, sitting alongside each other on a panel, shouting abuse at each other about the status of women in Islam.

That was yet another low-point in the debate in Australia about Islam.

The clash on the ABC’s Q&A last night certainly provided a few minutes of lively television.

But it was unedifying, ill-informed and played to prejudices on both sides of the debate.

Jacqui Lambie is what television producers call “great talent” — a direct communicator who can deliver a punch and can be compelling to watch.

Her adversary last night was Yassmin Abdel-Magied, whose family came to Australia from Sudan when she was two and who now lives happily in Australia as a mechanical engineer.

It’s as if the moment the “Muslim button” was pressed that these two lost it, shouting at each other a level of abuse that does nothing to further an important discussion.

Amid the shouting, the content of each was questionable.

Abdel Magied argued that women are treated well in Islam.

This may be the case in Brisbane, where she lives, but the idea of trying to argue this about Islam in general is nonsense.


The two main drivers of Islamic practice in the world today are Iran and Saudi Arabia — Iran is the leader of the Shia world while Saudi Arabia is the leader of the Sunni world.

Many Muslims in Australia follow the rulings and teachings of the spiritual leaders in these countries.

In Iran, discrimination against women is entrenched in the law — the treatment of women as second-class citizens is open and formalised.

The notion that they are equal is absurd.


For example, if a negligent driver in Iran hits and injures a female pedestrian the courts will make the driver pay half the compensation that they would if they injured a male pedestrian.

I covered the 2009 “Green Revolution” in Iran for The Australian, an uprising violently crushed by the Ayatollahs.

While I was there I got onto a bus with an Iranian-English woman who was showing me around Tehran.

I got on the front of the bus, for the men, and she got on the back, for the women.

A wooden pole separated the two.

When we began talking, an Iranian woman sitting on the bus confronted us — were we married and if not then we should not be talking to each other in public.

In Iran, a man and a woman should not talk in public unless they are related.

That same Iranian-English woman told me how “Islamic police” would walk alongside her in the street and tell her to wipe lipstick from her face, or that her scarf was not covering all her hair.

I was invited into some homes, where I spoke to many young Iranian women about their status.

Clearly frustrated, the married ones told me that an Iranian woman could only leave home, even to go to the shops, if their husband or father gave them “permission.”

The women, who are connected to the world through the internet, movies and the strong university educations available in Iran, were both upset and embarrassed by this reality.

Things in Saudi Arabia are just as bad — women are not allowed to drive cars. Supporting that ban, Saudi cleric Sheikh Salah al-Luhaydan claimed it had been scientifically proven that driving “affects the ovaries” and leads to clinical disorders in children.

Bear in mind that Sheikh al-Luhaydan is a spiritual leader, guiding future generations of Saudis in their attitudes.

This sort of medieval mentality is found in many parts of the Arab world.


In 2010, the United Nations put on a summer camp for children in Gaza. But a Salafist group, Free of the Homeland, said the UN was “teaching schoolgirls fitness, dancing and immorality.” Two days later the camp was attacked and destroyed.

Then in 2013, the UN decided to fund a Gaza marathon. About 1500 people registered, including many woman and children.

But Hamas, which controls Gaza, banned girls and women from participating.

The UN cancelled the event.

It is important that we discuss Islam, its problems and how it functions in countries such as Australia.

To help that debate, we need to hear from sensible, moderate Muslims on how to deal with concerns that a large number of Australians have when they look around the world and see incident after incident of terrorism committed by Islamic extremists
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Ultimately, in my view, the solution to Islamic extremism must come from inside Islam.

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Reply #25 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:47pm
 

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It is. But I must admit its not up against much competition. The bible for example pins the blame of the "original sin" to women, making them forever irredeemably mistrustful. And for that, women forever after are to be punished by having to go through the agony of child birth. The bible constantly depicts women simultaneously as inferior and inately devious - and men shouldn't hesitate to execute them at the first hint of disobedience or promiscuity.


What a load of rubbish...  Do Christian men need to have their women dressed in tents to stop themselves from raping them?  To stop other men from losing control of their sexual desires?

Honestly the whole belief you posted there is a load of rubbish.  Perhaps it is what Muslim men think of women. Cheesy
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Reply #26 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:51pm
 
Ah.. "pretty much every single muslim man" is a misogynist.

The world according to Big Ol. Thats up there with moses - every single muslim male has inbred-related low intelligence and are psychopathic killers.

But we know Big Ol has such concern for women's rights. This is the guy who was cheering on the rape of a young German woman because she initially tried to protect her abuser and denied being raped - because you know, thats such an unheard of thing for a rape victim to do.
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Reply #27 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:04pm
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:47pm:
Honestly the whole belief you posted there is a load of rubbish. 


Rather than blustering hot air all the time Grendel, perhaps you would do better to try refute the actual points that I make.

Lets start with inheritance rights: do you deny that unlike the Bible, the Quran stipulates women's rights to inheritance in the case where there are also eligible males?
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Reply #28 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:25pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 12:51pm:
Ah.. "pretty much every single muslim man" is a misogynist.

The world according to Big Ol. Thats up there with moses - every single muslim male has inbred-related low intelligence and are psychopathic killers.

But we know Big Ol has such concern for women's rights. This is the guy who was cheering on the rape of a young German woman because she initially tried to protect her abuser and denied being raped - because you know, thats such an unheard of thing for a rape victim to do.



I do remember that, a vile woman wanted to release a low life scumbag muslim rapists onto her fellow german women. I may have cheered,  but I definitely do and continue to have absolutely no sympathy for that despicable piece of sh1t. because she knew exactly what she was doing and it had nothing to do with any trauma.



You seem to forget, and same which this apologist woman; you are the ones claiming islam is perfect and it is the muslim country's culture that is the problem. And I agree with you totally, we just disagree as to the extent of that culture that makes the proponents of islam and muslim culture such vile human beings.


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Reply #29 - Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:32pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 18th, 2017 at 1:25pm:
we just disagree as to the extent of that culture that makes the proponents of islam and muslim culture such vile human beings.


This is what progressive muslims are up against: demanded to 'reform' their religion, and when they try to do so - by arguing that muslims should adopt a more progressive interpretation of the Quran, they are "vile human beings" for daring to suggest a progressive interpretation of the Quran exists.
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