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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: DFAT funding Islamic propaganda Reply #90 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:18pm freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:11pm: It doesn't make sense Gandalf, that's the point. You don't make sense FD. You argue against an official explanation on the basis it doesn't make sense... by promoting an explanation that makes even less sense.
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Reply #91 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 3:48pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 3:39pm:

I have never said any such thing exists... so strawman/lie number 1. Perhaps you could explain why it occurs then.

Islam = Islamic texts. You can't discuss what "Islam" does and doesn't allow without referring to the source texts.

You said I said that quote exists in the Koran... I denied I did... can't help the truth being the truth gandalf.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: DFAT funding Islamic propaganda Reply #92 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:24pm Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:22pm: You said I said that quote exists in the Koran Rubbish. Quote me. I was saying that if you make a claim about Islamic Law, you better be able to find an associated quote in the Quran. Do you understand the difference?
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Reply #93 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

You said I said that quote exists in the Koran

Rubbish. Quote me.

I told you that if you make a claim about Islamic Law, you better be able to find an associated quote in the Quran.

Do you understand the difference?

Well if that wasn't your inference why were you expecting me to produce such a quote?
Why did you just state...
if you make a claim about Islamic Law, you better be able to find an associated quote in the Quran.
when I haven't made any quotes from the Koran. Cheesy

Come on time to be truthful for a change eh.

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Reply #94 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:32pm

kemal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 4:39pm:

The alleged banu Qurayza massacre almost certainly didn't happen - have I mentioned that before?

Are you able to give a "Non Islamic" link to that please Gandalf? If too hard give me an Islamic link please.

quote author=gandalf link=1487240389/64#64 date=1487399997]Besides, heads of state tend to judge harshly people who declare war against them - regardless of their religion.

I agree, but did the heinous Jews not surrender and your only Prophet accept that, and if so why did a merchant of GOD have to KILL them?
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Any chance of an answer so I may be illuminated into islams inner sanctums?

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Brian Ross on why Muslims kill Quote:-" It appears to be a cultural thing, rather than something they have learnt from their religion, despite what you appear to believe."

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: DFAT funding Islamic propaganda Reply #95 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:34pm Gordon wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 6:18pm: Gold. Still like this.... so was it self promotion or not. What was the name of her book she was pushing? Oh and do you really think she is a high profile Muslim in the Australian Community? Really?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: DFAT funding Islamic propaganda Reply #96 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:34pm Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:27pm: Well if that wasn't your inference why were you expecting me to produce such a quote? lol I didn't. I knew there was no such quote and was making a point.
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Reply #97 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:38pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:34pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

Well if that wasn't your inference why were you expecting me to produce such a quote?

lol I didn't. I knew there was no such quote and was making a point.

Still cant bring yourself to face the truth I see.
I suggest in future you make a point without inferring I did something I didn't or like you just did accuse me of doing something I didn't do.

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Reply #98 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:38pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:27pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:24pm:

Grendel wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:22pm:

You said I said that quote exists in the Koran

Rubbish. Quote me.

I told you that if you make a claim about Islamic Law, you better be able to find an associated quote in the Quran.

Do you understand the difference?

Well if that wasn't your inference why were you expecting me to produce such a quote?
Why did you just state...
if you make a claim about Islamic Law, you better be able to find an associated quote in the Quran.
when I haven't made any quotes from the Koran. Cheesy

Come on time to be truthful for a change eh.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: DFAT funding Islamic propaganda Reply #99 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:40pm Oh my grendel... I don't think I've come across anyone here who misses a point quite as much as you God bless you.
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Reply #100 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:49pm

kemal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:32pm:

kemal wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 4:39pm:

The alleged banu Qurayza massacre almost certainly didn't happen - have I mentioned that before?

Are you able to give a "Non Islamic" link to that please Gandalf? If too hard give me an Islamic link please.

quote author=gandalf link=1487240389/64#64 date=1487399997]Besides, heads of state tend to judge harshly people who declare war against them - regardless of their religion.

I agree, but did the heinous Jews not surrender and your only Prophet accept that, and if so why did a merchant of GOD have to KILL them?

Any chance of an answer so I may be illuminated into islams inner sanctums?
[/quote]

The best and most comprehensive analysis remains Arafat's influential paper. You can obtain a free copy from jstor:

https://www.jstor.org/stable/25203706?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: DFAT funding Islamic propaganda Reply #101 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:52pm Ah yes typical bwian ross tactics holier than thou attitude and all... well done gandalf. I accept you are too embarrassed to apologise. Bwian never does. Perhaps unlike bwian when you are through playing silly buggers you can answer some questions and address some real points I've made eh?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: DFAT funding Islamic propaganda Reply #102 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:58pm Are you drunk? Serious question. You seem a little more unhinged than usual.
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Reply #103 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:00pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:18pm:

freediver wrote on Feb 18^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

It doesn't make sense Gandalf, that's the point.

You don't make sense FD. You argue against an official explanation on the basis it doesn't make sense... by promoting an explanation that makes even less sense.

DFAT is officially not explaining a thing Gandalf. The dichotomy you suggest is not real. Whether they intended, or nominally paid her to spew Islamic propaganda or "promote Australia" is irrelevant. What they got was DFAT money funding an islamic propaganda tour of the middle east. Whether this was deliberate or a result of incompetence makes no difference. That sort of incompetence is not something we should tolerate from people handing out our money.

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49380 At my desk.	Re: DFAT funding Islamic propaganda Reply #104 - Feb 18^th, 2017 at 7:01pm How many oil company executives do you see here Gandalf? How many trade ministers?
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