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Islam today vs Brian Ross
Feb 17^th, 2017 at 10:48am

Somewhere among all the: lies, hypocrisy, flames, Trolling, yawning, ridicule, name-calling, etc, etc, etc, of Brian Ross... he said that Islam was just a peaceful religion and that any problems were all just cultural…. How disingenuous of him. We all know Islam is more than just a Religion, it is culture, politics, a way of life…

You don’t have to believe me of course… bwian never does or at least he is too dishonest to ever admit it. So from a practicing Muslim we have this little gem of truth…

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Non-Muslims are not looking at the theory or history of Islam – they are looking at the law in countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran and Pakistan, all of which claim to be Islamic, and they use this as a basis to attack Islam as a faith. As such, the status of women in these countries makes any claim to feminism easy for critics to dismiss as near-delusion.
Religion is not separate from culture. It changes, modifies, and in some cases regresses as the culture does.

And there is no doubt that mainstream Islam is regressing in a world where Saudi Arabian Wahhabism is fast becoming the accepted mainstream version of Islam.

This isn't just about the specific culture in that part of the world, but about the dissemination of this particular culture's interpretation of the religion.

Muslims can't afford to deny there is a problem here.

Regressive applications of Islamic law are spreading across the Muslim world as more turn to these unforgiving interpretations, from Aceh in Indonesia to Brunei to parts of rebel-held Syria.
To think that this interpretation cannot spread here in one form or another is disingenuous; we see it happening, for example, when Islamic conferences issue promotional posters with female speakers replaced with shadowy figures. And while that particular insult to women was swiftly rectified when the Muslim community loudly demanded the poster be changed, it doesn't mean the underlying problem has been addressed.

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Reply #1 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 12:51pm

Grendel do you speak much to actual muslims? You might learn some things - for example, what Islam means to them personally. I feel its rather relevant here. You clearly refuse to accept much of what you hear muslims say, but perhaps if you engaged in civilized dialogue with them, it might help. Calmly without the hysterics and the shouting.

Anyway, its a good article by Ruby Hamad you partly quoted.

I particularly liked this line:

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It's unreasonable to expect any member of a marginalised group to maintain a level head and a calm tone when being told they should be deported for practising their faith.

Do you understand the hurt that is created when an elected representative screams at a muslim that they should be deported for practicing their faith?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #2 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 12:56pm

Here you go, Ruby makes the point I was trying to make far better than I did:

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It is clear to me that when Lambie talks of "Sharia law" she is referring to the regressive dogma enforced in the criminal codes of some Muslim-majority countries, while to liberal Muslims like Abdel-Magied, Sharia is about private, personal ethics.

It shouldn't be that difficult to make a distinction between the two and it could be as simple as qualifying the difference between criminal Sharia law, or hudud, and the private moral code.

I believe that before it turned into a screaming contest, Yasminn was attempting to explain this distinction to Jacqui. But clearly Jacqui could not be reasoned with. She seems determined not to be reasonable on this particular topic - like when she was first asked in an interview what her understanding of Sharia is a couple of years back, her reply: "err.. ummm... well it obviously involves terrorism..." Ther is no evidence she has made any effort to educate herself on the topic since then.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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miketrees Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6490 Gender:	Re: Islam today vs Brian Ross Reply #3 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 1:27pm Gandalf old chum. It is quite irrational for ordinary people not to have a fear of Islam.
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Reply #4 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 1:30pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Grendel do you speak much to actual muslims? You might learn some things - for example, what Islam means to them personally. I feel its rather relevant here. You clearly refuse to accept much of what you hear muslims say, but perhaps if you engaged in civilized dialogue with them, it might help. Calmly without the hysterics and the shouting.

Anyway, its a good article by Ruby Hamad you partly quoted.

I particularly liked this line:

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It's unreasonable to expect any member of a marginalised group to maintain a level head and a calm tone when being told they should be deported for practising their faith.

Do you understand the hurt that is created when an elected representative screams at a muslim that they should be deported for practicing their faith?

I used to know many till I moved, I have had many Muslim friends... so don't try that one on with me ok.
BTW where did I mention an elected representative or banning anyone in this topic... that is you creating strawmen.

BTW its one of the rare mostly unbiased articles Ruby has ever written. And... I note the topic and what I quoted are directly related... not Q&A.

I am always calm and never resort to hysterics... so don't try that one on either, leave the lies to bwian.

Oh and do try to stick to the actual topic and not make it one that already exists elsewhere ok.

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Reply #5 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:02pm

Gandy, Ruby also said

Muslims can't afford to deny there is a problem here. Regressive applications of Islamic law are spreading across the Muslim world as more turn to these unforgiving interpretations, from Aceh in Indonesia to Brunei to parts of rebel-held Syria.

To think that this interpretation cannot spread here in one form or another is disingenuous; we see it happening, for example, when Islamic conferences issue promotional posters with female speakers replaced with shadowy figures. And while that particular insult to women was swiftly rectified when the Muslim community loudly demanded the poster be changed, it doesn't mean the underlying problem has been addressed.

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Reply #6 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:04pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Grendel do you speak much to actual muslims? You might learn some things - for example, what Islam means to them personally. I feel its rather relevant here. You clearly refuse to accept much of what you hear muslims say, but perhaps if you engaged in civilized dialogue with them, it might help. Calmly without the hysterics and the shouting.

Anyway, its a good article by Ruby Hamad you partly quoted.

I particularly liked this line:

Quote:

It's unreasonable to expect any member of a marginalised group to maintain a level head and a calm tone when being told they should be deported for practising their faith.

Do you understand the hurt that is created when an elected representative screams at a muslim that they should be deported for practicing their faith?

Lambie is not eloquent.

If I was on Q&A, I'd say I'd deport people for practicing the toxic elements of Islam, and not let the fundies in to start with.

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Reply #7 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:19pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:02pm:

Gandy, Ruby also said

Muslims can't afford to deny there is a problem here. Regressive applications of Islamic law are spreading across the Muslim world as more turn to these unforgiving interpretations, from Aceh in Indonesia to Brunei to parts of rebel-held Syria.

To think that this interpretation cannot spread here in one form or another is disingenuous; we see it happening, for example, when Islamic conferences issue promotional posters with female speakers replaced with shadowy figures. And while that particular insult to women was swiftly rectified when the Muslim community loudly demanded the poster be changed, it doesn't mean the underlying problem has been addressed.

Yes posted that already... because brian ross denies it, when others bring it up and ignores all such opinions. It would seem that real Muslims disagree with Brian's apologist stance that Islam is just a peaceful lovey dovey religion after all.

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Reply #8 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 4:49pm

When are muslims and their apologists going to tell the truth?

islam allah muhammad and the qur'an are responsible for the depravity carried out by muslims around the globe.

When are muslims going to address this truth?

All the crap about personal interpretation is just that crap.

Personal interpretation means cherry picking a part line here and there, while lying through their teeth that there's no evil in the quran.

If they have the right to **personal interpretation** so do the muslims who follow the qur'an to the letter committing the foulest of atrocities against their fellow man.

These depraved muslims don't cherry pick, they follow the myriad of whole verses which preach hate, death and destruction against the non believers, corrupters, apostates etc.

These perverted muslims are certain in the knowledge they are the highest grade of muslim, guaranteed a place in allahs' paradise overflowing with houris with big tits and little boys with eyes like pearls for their sexual pleasure.

When are muslims and their apologists going to be honest about this?

islam / allah / muhammad / quran / muslims, collectively are all the root cause of todays' islamic evilness.

Accept responsibility and tell the truth for once.

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Reply #9 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 5:14pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 12:56pm:

Here you go, Ruby makes the point I was trying to make far better than I did:

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It is clear to me that when Lambie talks of "Sharia law" she is referring to the regressive dogma enforced in the criminal codes of some Muslim-majority countries, while to liberal Muslims like Abdel-Magied, Sharia is about private, personal ethics.

It shouldn't be that difficult to make a distinction between the two and it could be as simple as qualifying the difference between criminal Sharia law, or hudud, and the private moral code.

I believe that before it turned into a screaming contest, Yasminn was attempting to explain this distinction to Jacqui. But clearly Jacqui could not be reasoned with. She seems determined not to be reasonable on this particular topic - like when she was first asked in an interview what her understanding of Sharia is a couple of years back, her reply: "err.. ummm... well it obviously involves terrorism..." Ther is no evidence she has made any effort to educate herself on the topic since then.

Tough titties, of with their heads.

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Reply #10 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:37pm

miketrees wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 1:27pm:

Gandalf old chum.

It is quite irrational for ordinary people not to have a fear of Islam.

Really? Why? What harm has a Muslim ever done to you? Have you even met a Muslim in your life? I doubt it. LIke Islamophobes everywhere, you fear a chimera that you have created in your own minds. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #11 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:39pm

moses wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 4:49pm:

When are muslims and their apologists going to tell the truth?

islam allah muhammad and the qur'an are responsible for the depravity carried out by muslims around the globe.

When are muslims going to address this truth?

All the crap about personal interpretation is just that crap.

Personal interpretation means cherry picking a part line here and there, while lying through their teeth that there's no evil in the quran.

If they have the right to **personal interpretation** so do the muslims who follow the qur'an to the letter committing the foulest of atrocities against their fellow man.

These depraved muslims don't cherry pick, they follow the myriad of whole verses which preach hate, death and destruction against the non believers, corrupters, apostates etc.

These perverted muslims are certain in the knowledge they are the highest grade of muslim, guaranteed a place in allahs' paradise overflowing with houris with big tits and little boys with eyes like pearls for their sexual pleasure.

When are muslims and their apologists going to be honest about this?

islam / allah / muhammad / quran / muslims, collectively are all the root cause of todays' islamic evilness.

Accept responsibility and tell the truth for once.

Using that rationale, then Christ is responsible for all the bad that Christians have committed around the world, Moses. Tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #12 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:40pm

Grendel wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:19pm:

Gordon wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:02pm:

Gandy, Ruby also said

Muslims can't afford to deny there is a problem here. Regressive applications of Islamic law are spreading across the Muslim world as more turn to these unforgiving interpretations, from Aceh in Indonesia to Brunei to parts of rebel-held Syria.

To think that this interpretation cannot spread here in one form or another is disingenuous; we see it happening, for example, when Islamic conferences issue promotional posters with female speakers replaced with shadowy figures. And while that particular insult to women was swiftly rectified when the Muslim community loudly demanded the poster be changed, it doesn't mean the underlying problem has been addressed.

Yes posted that already... because brian ross denies it, when others bring it up and ignores all such opinions. It would seem that real Muslims disagree with Brian's apologist stance that Islam is just a peaceful lovey dovey religion after all.

Oh, dearie, dearie me. I have denied what, exactly, Geoff? You erecting strawman arguments again? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #13 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:41pm

Gordon wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 2:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 12:51pm:

Grendel do you speak much to actual muslims? You might learn some things - for example, what Islam means to them personally. I feel its rather relevant here. You clearly refuse to accept much of what you hear muslims say, but perhaps if you engaged in civilized dialogue with them, it might help. Calmly without the hysterics and the shouting.

Anyway, its a good article by Ruby Hamad you partly quoted.

I particularly liked this line:

Quote:

It's unreasonable to expect any member of a marginalised group to maintain a level head and a calm tone when being told they should be deported for practising their faith.

Do you understand the hurt that is created when an elected representative screams at a muslim that they should be deported for practicing their faith?

Lambie is not eloquent.

If I was on Q&A, I'd say I'd deport people for practicing the toxic elements of Islam, and not let the fundies in to start with.

But you don't do, you, Gordon? To you, like Lambie, all Muslims are the same in your view. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Reply #14 - Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 7:37pm:

miketrees wrote on Feb 17^th, 2017 at 1:27pm:

Gandalf old chum.

It is quite irrational for ordinary people not to have a fear of Islam.

Really? Why? What harm has a Muslim ever done to you? Have you even met a Muslim in your life? I doubt it. LIke Islamophobes everywhere, you fear a chimera that you have created in your own minds. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

LOL you do know what being in denial is don't you bwian...

ETC, etc, etc....

How many terrorists do we have in gaol bwian?
Of course none of that exists right.... they are not actual photos they are figments of our imagination Roll Eyes

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