Karnal wrote on Feb 25
th, 2017 at 11:31am:
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 20
th, 2014 at 10:18am:
Muslims absolutely can and should condemn marriage to 9 year olds today. And doing so does not reject the Prophet's example, and here's why: the "example" of the Prophet in this case was to strictly hold off marriage and sexual relationships until both the bride and groom are biologically and emotionally mature enough to cope with it.
Everything islam teaches us about marriage - mutual love and respect for each other and especially the emphasis on each party making their own free choices, is consistent with mental maturity being an essential prerequisite for marriage.
That is all encapsulated in the 3 year wait Muhammad had before marrying his betrothed. In that time and place, that age of maturity, while obviously always fluid, was undeniably a lot lower than it is today.
Hey, FD, tell G it's impossible for any Muslim to consent to marriage.
Google;
mohammed, silence is consent
As per the Hadith...."Narrated Abu Huraira:
The Prophet said, "A matron should not be given in marriage except after consulting her; and a virgin should not be given in marriage except after her permission."
The people asked,
"O Allah's Apostle! How can we know her permission?"He said,
"Her silence (indicates her permission)." "
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #007.062.067
Of course we have many examples of outspoken moslem women being beaten or killed [i'm thinking of the many examples of 'honour' killings in the moslem community's of the UK and the US.].
And threatening and beating those 'who ask too many Q's' and complain
has cultural 'traction' in every ISLAMIC society.
But ISLAM is
the most feminist religion.
Honest!!Yassmin Abdel-Magied, Islam is "THE most feminist religion"
'THERE'S MORE' !!!
'Do not inquire, just accept.'
[the mantra of the devout moslem]
"O ye who believe!
Ask not questions about things which, if made plain to you, may cause you trouble.....
Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Koran 5.101, 102
"We sent not a messenger, but to be obeyed..........they ['believers'] can have no (real) Faith, until they make thee judge in all disputes between them, and find in their souls no resistance against Thy decisions, but accept them with the fullest conviction."
Koran 4.64, 65
"O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger [i.e.
the clerics], and make not vain your deeds!"
Koran 47:33
And if any moslem rebels against the authority of Allah [i.e. Mohammed], SLAUGHTER THEM.
.....EVEN IF IT IS YOUR OWN CHILD.
marriage
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1338868086/4#4 Quote:....ISLAMIC law specifically gives moslem men, the right to kill their children [and grandchildren]. [
An ISLAMIC source is cited below], at the jihadwatch item.
ISLAMIC sources declare that the killing of moslem children, by a parent, is 'lawful', within ISLAM...
e.g.
"British girl kidnapped by Saudi father: "I told [the police] he was keeping me there against my will and all they said was, 'He's your father, if he wants he can kill you'."
Indeed, traditional Islamic law does not prescribe retaliation against a parent for killing his or her child. For example: "not subject to retaliation" is "a father or mother (or their fathers or mothers) for killing their offspring, or offspring's offspring." ('Umdat al-Salik o1.1-2)." "
p.s.
I apologise for going on, and on, and on, and on, and on.
It is just that there are so many connecting references which seem relevant. !!!!!
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