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Reply #60 - Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:25pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:22pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:16pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
We greet people by shaking hands in this country. This is the law of the land.


No it's not.

Stop being ridiculous.

I certainly wouldn't want to touch your hand if I met you.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pdNe4FOZftI/sddefault.jpg
Yes it is. It's our custom. What sort of message does it send when you knock back touching a persons hand because they are non muslim or female? It's like spitting in their face.


As I said, I wouldn't touch your hand and it has nothing to do with your gender or religion.




Stay on topic PB.


All children in that school have the right to refuse to shake hands.

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Reply #61 - Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:27pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:25pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:24pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:22pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:16pm:
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:14pm:
We greet people by shaking hands in this country. This is the law of the land.


No it's not.

Stop being ridiculous.

I certainly wouldn't want to touch your hand if I met you.


https://i.ytimg.com/vi/pdNe4FOZftI/sddefault.jpg
Yes it is. It's our custom. What sort of message does it send when you knock back touching a persons hand because they are non muslim or female? It's like spitting in their face.


As I said, I wouldn't touch your hand and it has nothing to do with your gender or religion.




Stay on topic PB.


All children in that school have the right to refuse to shake hands.

It's fair enough with kids but not amongst adults.
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Reply #62 - Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:51pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 10:46am:
Good to see that backward muslim culture of disrespecting women is now NSW education department policy. No doubt the next lot of 'skaf boys' will soon be graduating from this lot.


A SYDNEY school has adopted a policy allowing Muslim schoolboys to refuse to shake hands with women.
At a recent awards ceremony at Hurstville Boys Campus of Georges River College, female presenters were told by one of the two principals that some students would not shake their hands because of their Muslim faith, The Australian reported.
The boys were instead permitted to place a hand across their chest to show they would not be taking the hand of the women, many of them well-known figures from the local community.
A spokesman from the NSW Department of Education said this was an “agreed protocol” developed after extensive consultation with staff, parents and boys at the small, diverse public school of 354 students from year 7-10.
“At the school’s 2016 presentation day, the principal explained to invited guests making awards that some Muslim students may place their hand across their chest instead of shaking hands,” the spokesman said.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/parenting/school-life/muslim-schoolboys-allowed...




Those people are insisting that Australians, in Australia, should respect ISLAMIC law.

And many Australian authorities and government institutions are choosing to accommodate that insistence, by the moslem.
i.e. they are saying
'lets go along, to get along.'


Australians are doing that, without [mentally/intellectually] recognising that by making that 'cultural' concession, Australians are setting a precedent, of concession, and of Australians RESPECTING the religious demands of the moslem.



Quote:

"The Muslims living in a non-Muslim country, even if they originally entered that country by means of forged documents, are considered to be living in their adopted country under a covenant.

They must, therefore, comply with the laws of their country of residence without, at the same time, disobeying Islamic Law."


http://www.abc.net.au/religion/articles/2013/05/10/3756163.htm


It is ironic isn't it.

That it is not lawful for a moslem boy to shake the hand of a woman,
but it would be religiously lawful for him to rape her,          ....so long as she is not a moslem woman.




Google;
skaf brothers, rapists

Google;
bilal skaf, rape, women uncovered, no right to say no

Google;
muslim rape, "they had no right to say no"



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http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1486992477/12#12

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #63 - Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:53pm
 
Don't shake their hands

there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and immodest dress ... "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years".

"But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he asked.
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Reply #64 - Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:54pm
 
Don't touch their hands

If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."
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Reply #65 - Feb 20th, 2017 at 5:32pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
It is ironic isn't it.

That it is not lawful for a moslem boy to shake the hand of a woman,
but it would be religiously lawful for him to rape her,          ....so long as she is not a moslem woman.



Yes, it's way ironic Yadda.

By this time next year, Muslim boys in that school will be legally raping non-Muslim girls.

When will it stop, I ask you?

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Reply #66 - Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:23pm
 
No Gweggy you've been Shotdown in Flames and haven't the decency to drop the stupidity and admit you got it wrong or are just plain dishonest.

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Reply #67 - Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:39pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 5:32pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 4:51pm:
It is ironic isn't it.

That it is not lawful for a moslem boy to shake the hand of a woman,
but it would be religiously lawful for him to rape her,          ....so long as she is not a moslem woman.



Yes, it's way ironic Yadda.

By this time next year, Muslim boys in that school will be legally raping non-Muslim girls.


When will it stop, I ask you?




greggery,

Hopefully, no, those moslem boys will     not      be raping non-moslem girls.

But NOT because raping non-moslem women and girls is unlawful to moslem men [because it is not].



If moslem boys choose NOT to rape non-moslem girls in Australia, it may ONLY be because all women in Australia are protected by Australian secular laws,
and because those moslem boys FEAR Australian secular laws.


Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1475625444/7#7





THIS WAS MOHAMMED'S EXAMPLE

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Quote:

"We went out with Allah's Messenger"
= = Mohammed was in the company of these men.

"on the expedition to the Bi'l-Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women"
= = it was some form of raiding party, where they, 'took captive some excellent Arab women'.

"and we desired them"
= = hmmmm, i wonder what that means?

"for we were suffering from the absence of our wives"
= = ah, in the absence they wives, they desired these women for sex, to satisfy their sexual lust.

"(but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them."
= = in their minds, they sought to sexually 'use' these captive Arab women, and then let their menfolk redeem them.

"So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them"
= = yep, Allah's finest, sought to sexually 'use' these 'excellent' captive Arab women.



Those [above] extracts from the Hadith are cited, with references, here;

Bikeway rapist gets 25 years in jail
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1251431040/8#8


Q.
Why did Mohammed believe that he was permitted to behave in this was towards captive women ?

A.
In ISLAMIC law, ALL captive non-moslem women, are considered to be war booty [i.e. 'lawful' rape candidates, available to be used for the pleasure of moslem men]...


"..Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess:..."
Koran 4.22-24

"O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee;..."
Koran 33.50




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MOSLEM 'YOUTH' IN AUSTRALIA FOLLOWING MOHAMMED'S EXAMPLE

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http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-09/police-say-two-girls-gang-raped-at-fairfie...
2014-04-09
Quote:

Two schoolgirls gang-raped at Fairfield after meeting three men on Sydney train, police say
By police reporter Lucy Carter


Updated 1 hour 18 minutes ago

Two schoolgirls have been gang-raped by three men in broad daylight in Sydney's south west, police say, and there are fears the men could strike again.

According to police, the girls, both 16, skipped school in the Blacktown area to go shopping at Castle Hill.

....Superintendent Peter Lennon says they asked three men for directions and were told they would be shown to a bus terminal.

"The girls were lost, they were trying to get some help," Superintendent Lennon said.

"Unfortunately they were coaxed by these young men into coming to Fairfield - way, way off track of where they wanted to go."

......Superintendent Lennon the men had been described as being of "Middle Eastern Mediterranean" appearance.

The first male is described as being aged between 19 and 21 with a dark complexion, about 178cm tall, and with a thin build and dark hair.





greggery,

According to ISLAMIC law those moslem 'youth', who raped two Australian schoolgirls did nothing wrong, nothing unlawful.


greggery,

If 'everyday' moslems believe these things [AND THEY DO!],       then are moslems the type of people, who we should be allowing to live among us, and to walk past us, on our streets ?



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Reply #68 - Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:58pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
If moslem boys choose NOT to rape non-moslem girls in Australia, it may ONLY be because all women in Australia are protected by Australian secular laws,
and because those moslem boys FEAR Australian secular laws.


Ah.

White Australian boys mustn't fear those secular laws too much, hey Yadda.

If they did, how come white Australian males are raping Australian women (and girls, and boys, and men) every day?

I'm curious.
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Reply #69 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 9:16am
 
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So, the untouchables must be tolerant
Kevin Donnelly
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Proven by the latest bizarre ­example, where Muslim students do not have to shake hands with females, it’s clear that education’s politically correct embrace of ­diversity and difference — the new code for multiculturalism — reigns supreme.

As reported in yesterday’s The Australian, school officials at Sydney’s Hurstville Boys Campus, based on a literal interpretation of a hadith, told Muslim students that it was permissible to refuse to greet females in the customary way.

So much for the Christian ­admonition “When in Rome, do as the Romans do”. And so much for the fact that Australian society only prospers and grows when there is a shared understanding of what constitutes civility and good manners.And Muslim students not shaking hands is not an isolated example. In 2015, a Victorian primary school allowed Muslim students to absent themselves during the singing of the national ­anthem. At the University of Melbourne, Islamic groups have been given permission to segregate meetings involving males and ­females.

So much for the claim made on the ABC’s Q&A by the Islamic ­activist Yassim Abdel-Magied that her religion grants women the same rights and freedoms as men and that Islam does not unfairly discriminate because of one’s sexuality.

Education now embraces identity politics where the rights and privileges of particular ­individuals and groups nominated by the cultural Left are granted positive discrimination (except, of course, if you happen to be a white Anglo-Celtic, Christian male happy to live in a hetero­sexual relationship).


Whereas in times past schools would teach all students about the values, beliefs and institutions that bind us as a nation and the debt owed to Western culture, the focus is now firmly on what ­divides us instead of what we share in common.  Even worse, instead of their ­arguments being properly ­analysed and evaluated, anyone questioning multicultural groupthink is quickly condemned as Islamophobic, racist and intolerant.

As noted by the British journalist and author Patrick West:
“Tolerance in the name of relativism has become its own intolerance. We are commended to respect all differences and anyone who dis­agrees shall be shouted down, ­silenced or slandered as a racist. Everyone must be tolerant. And that’s an order.”


The Australian National Curriculum advocates identity politics and the belief that all cultures must be treated equally. Christianity, instead of being acknowledged as one of the foundation stones on which Western culture rests and continues to depend, receives the same weighting as Islam, Buddhism and Hinduism.


While the National Curriculum stipulates that subjects and areas of learning must celebrate diversity and difference, with a special focus an Asian and indigenous perspectives, scant time or attention is given to the history and significance of liberalism within the Western tradition.

The NSW Statement of Equity Principles endorsed by the recently established Education Standards Council also illustrates the way education has been captured by the cultural Left’s long march through the institutions.
The school syllabus, associated materials and assessment guidelines all focus on “difference and diversity in the Australian community” where all must be respected and treated equally regardless of “cultural and linguistic heritage, gender, age, beliefs, socio-economic status, location, sexuality or disability”.

Such a relativistic stance inexorably leads to the situation where it is impossible to condemn or prohibit practices such as child brides, female circumcision and treating women as inferior to men.

In this smorgasbord of identity politics, where all cultures and beliefs systems are of equal value (except for indigenous that gets special treatment), schools are also told they must not discrim­inate as all students “have the right to different beliefs” and the right to experience a “positive sense of identity and self-respect”.

One wonders whether the call for tolerance applies to what the past president of the Australian Federation of Islamic Councils, Haset Sali, describes as “a toxic subculture” in Muslim schools where the fear is students are being radicalised by hate preachers to carry out jihad against the apostates and non-believers.


Multiculturalism ignores the reality that some cultural practices and beliefs are un-Australian and that unless we want to follow the example of Britain and Europe, where the policy has led to ethnic ghettos, violence and social fragmentation, education must teach how to discriminate between what constitutes acceptable and un­acceptable beliefs and ­values.

There is also the irony that the very values that cultural relativists champion, such as tolerance and respect for others, are culturally specific. The liberties and freedoms we take for granted are embedded in Western culture, our Judeo-Christian heritage, and ­historical movements like the ­Enlightenment.  It is the Bible and not the Koran that states: “There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.”


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Reply #70 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 9:39am
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:58pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
If moslem boys choose NOT to rape non-moslem girls in Australia, it may ONLY be because all women in Australia are protected by Australian secular laws,
and because those moslem boys FEAR Australian secular laws.


Ah.

White Australian boys mustn't fear those secular laws too much, hey Yadda.

If they did, how come white Australian males are raping Australian women (and girls, and boys, and men) every day?

I'm curious.


Yadda ... ?     Undecided
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Reply #71 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 9:47am
 
DISRESPECTING WOMEN ????

What's all the fuss about that?

I had an argument with one of our GMods the other night about whether or not he thought MISOGYNISTIC ABUSE was ok on OzPol.

Wanna guess his answer?

Hint : It wasn't no.

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Reply #72 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 12:11pm
 
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Islamic hadiths devised 12 or 13 centuries ago claiming Mohammed taught “it is better to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle than to touch the hand of a woman who is not permissible to you’’ have no place in Australian schools that value — or should value — equal opportunity. Irrespective of the views of the wider school community, the department must act to reverse the school policy.


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Reply #73 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 12:16pm
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Feb 20th, 2017 at 1:38pm:
It was  big mistake bringing muslims here.



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Reply #74 - Feb 21st, 2017 at 12:16pm
 
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Sexist disrespect unacceptable
The Australian
12:00AM February 21, 2017

NSW Education Department secretary Mark Scott claims on the website of the Hurstville Boys Campus of Georges River College in Sydney that public education prepares students “to live healthy, productive and fulfilling lives’’ and to flourish in a world that is “transforming profoundly and quickly’’. Unfortunately, Muslim boys at the college are being ill-prepared for adult life by being permitted not to shake hands with women, including visitors to the school at awards ceremonies.

Islamic hadiths devised 12 or 13 centuries ago claiming Mohammed taught “it is better to be stabbed in the head with an iron needle than to touch the hand of a woman who is not permissible to you’’ have no place in Australian schools that value — or should value — equal opportunity. Irrespective of the views of the wider school community, the department must act to reverse the school policy.

Not for the first time, feminists were quiet on an important issue yesterday, one that reflects the thin edge of a darker wedge. The misogyny that permeates various hadiths, Koranic verses, sharia laws and Islamic customs — and how they are interpreted — promotes behaviours that are either illegal in Australia or deeply offensive. Perceptions of women as “deficient in intelligence and religion’’ and permitting husbands to beat “disobedient’’ wives cannot be ignored.

Governments have a responsibility to hold schools to account if their policies encourage anti-social behaviour. NSW Education Minister Rob Stokes, who has six degrees and diplomas, including a PhD in law and a diploma in biblical studies, must take a stand. Recognising that bedrock values such as equality and civility matter, sensible Muslim leaders, to their credit, distanced themselves from the school policy. Hopefully, they will take a constructive lead in discouraging such behaviour among young Muslim men.

On another level, the school policy is also a sign of faux multiculturalism and political correctness run amok. It’s worth speculating — if a non-Muslim girl refused to shake hands with a Muslim man, could she face action under Section 18C?

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