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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16616 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Aboriginals adapted Reply #180 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:32am Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:06am: You were married? Damn - there is still some faith in the old institutions...... 1984... yeeee-ussshh... need I say more? I am married Grap. Only the once but there it is.
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Re: Aboriginals adapted
Reply #181 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:34am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:06am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:02am:

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 12:53am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 11:30pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 11:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 11:12pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1487646898/153#153 date=1488453606]Nope. Never claimed I was born in 1957. Not sure where you're getting that from... Roll Eyes

Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...

Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.

Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....

1984, rolls off the tongue beautifully. Such a great year.

1984... yeeee-ussshh... need I say more?

You're not ageist are you? Of course not, you enjoy indoor plumbing, though you rarely get to do the Charleston anymore. But at least you have fun at night using your Stereopticon.

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Quoth the Raven "Nevermore"

Raven would rather ask questions that may never be answered, then accept answers which must never be questioned.

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Setanta Gold Member Offline \/ Peace man! Posts: 16616 Northern NSW Gender:	Re: Aboriginals adapted Reply #182 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:43am 1984... Raven could be Setanta's child made legit at the last moment! Setanta would welcome a well spoken, courteous, articulate and principled a child as Raven. In fact he has a couple but the first was born in 1988.
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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981 Around	Re: Aboriginals adapted Reply #183 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:54am Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:43am: 1984... Raven could be Setanta's child made legit at the last moment! Setanta would welcome a well spoken, courteous, articulate and principled a child as Raven. In fact he has a couple but the first was born in 1988. You flatter Raven sir.
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Re: Aboriginals adapted
Reply #184 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 2:03am

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:54am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:43am:

1984... Raven could be Setanta's child made legit at the last moment! Setanta would welcome a well spoken, courteous, articulate and principled a child as Raven. In fact he has a couple but the first was born in 1988.

You flatter Raven sir.

Deserved flattery is the truth.

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Raven Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2981 Around	Re: Aboriginals adapted Reply #185 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 2:52am Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:43am: 1984... Raven could be Setanta's child made legit at the last moment! Setanta would welcome a well spoken, courteous, articulate and principled a child as Raven. In fact he has a couple but the first was born in 1988. Raven's wife was born in 1988.
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Reply #186 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 3:51am

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 2:52am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:43am:

1984... Raven could be Setanta's child made legit at the last moment! Setanta would welcome a well spoken, courteous, articulate and principled a child as Raven. In fact he has a couple but the first was born in 1988.

Raven's wife was born in 1988.

Setanta doesn't have a daughter. He is enjoying his grand daughter and gets a twinge every time the son and inlaw talk about moving out. She loves me. Today she would not let me go and son asked why does she like you so much? She cries when taken from me. She's my friend.

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Reply #187 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:34am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 9:29pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 6:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 11:17pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 5:33am:

While i must admit I am unfamiliar with the qualifications you have stated, I must admit tgat they appear quite comprehensive.
Shall we agree then, that our education and intellegence therefore are indisputable.
We simply have a diconnect with regard to our, different, opinions of specifics.

You do not see the world as I do, perhaps the places you have seen and the people you have met may differ from tge ones I have.

I will never agree that Islam is anything less than a very malignant and socially crippling desease on the huma race or that me and mine are in some way responsible for Australian Aboriginal problems of their own making.
But perhaps we can dispense with the name calling and insults.

This is a simple request for mutual respect, even if our opinions differ poles apart.

Sure, we can differ but until you stop your outbursts of Racism and Islamophobia and Xenophobia, Valkie our disagreement will continue to flare into dispute. There are ways of saying what you want to say in a civilised, non-Racist/non-Xenophobic/non-Islamophobic ways. Stop acting like a schoolboy and start acting like an adult. Do that I will treat you like an adult.

Then you will have to acknowledge that this CULT is nothing but an evil cult.
Its is nothing less and nothing more

Islam is a recognised religion around the world. I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that. It's childish and silly. Roll Eyes

Looks like a cult.
Smells like a CULT
Murders like a CULT
Oh My Goodness..............it is a CULT

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/cult.

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Re: Aboriginals adapted
Reply #188 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 8:24am

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:34am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:06am:

Setanta wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:02am:

Raven wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 12:53am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 11:30pm:

Setanta wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 11:13pm:

UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 11:12pm:

[quote author=Brian_Ross link=1487646898/153#153 date=1488453606]Nope. Never claimed I was born in 1957. Not sure where you're getting that from... Roll Eyes

Then I assumed wrong. I'm sure that someone here posted their birth year to be 1957. Oh well...

Not me. Mine's 1959. Obviously a good year.

Young punk......... 1949 was a good year.....

1984, rolls off the tongue beautifully. Such a great year.

1984... yeeee-ussshh... need I say more?

You're not ageist are you? Of course not, you enjoy indoor plumbing, though you rarely get to do the Charleston anymore. But at least you have fun at night using your Stereopticon.

I was referring to the book... sort of... hold nothing against know-all young punks who've done a great job of stuffing up the nation.... (just digging at you for fun - I stir a bit)...

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Re: Aboriginals adapted
Reply #189 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 10:45am

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 9:33pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 4:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 12:11am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 12:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28^th, 2017 at 9:26pm:

I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie. All in the Social Sciences. I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer. I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS.

the social sciences are generally useless outside of universities. they mostly teach moral zealotry, as exemplified by yourself and most who've been through social science departments, and little in the way of critical thinking - or even practical thinking.

Yet I work in an field where critical thinking and practical thinking are highly valued. Where did I learn those skills? Primarily at University, studying history and politics (and geography). Social Sciences teach critical thinking as does all University courses, CW. One goes to University to primarily learn how to think, not to gain knowledge as such. Roll Eyes

critical thinking isn't subject specific. it's little more than a bunch of inquiring techniques. it can be applied to history and politics but it's not intrinsically linked to those subjects. for example, learning marx isn't critical thinking. that's just memorisation. often, leftards think they're thinking critically because they can throw out a few marxist quotes here and there.

I never claimed it was "intrinsically" linked to anything. History and Politics (and to a lesser extent Geography) were where I learnt to do it properly.

That doesn't show. You repeat almost verbatim the 'blackarm band' view of history and the 'victim' politics found so readily in university.

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Re: Aboriginals adapted
Reply #190 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 12:09pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 1:08am:

rhino wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 12:07am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 11:32pm:

rhino wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 9:38pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 1:34am:

Silence. Yeah - that figures..... empty words are nothing..... little catch phrases are meaningless in the absence of fact....

Get a life. Sometimes I've thought you had decent information to put across and such - but you lost me - Sonny!

Now you're mine, son...... you get to offend me once.

yeah, yeah, unarmed combat specialist as well was it?

Never by choice..... I prefer to evade....

yeah, evade rapidly in a backwards motion.

And your response to cornering me is? (snuckles under armpit)..... you truly are delusional.... imagine yourself any way you want, kid, in your own mind...

Stop being a d1ck and get on to discussion - d1ckhead.

Yet you are the one as here who invades every thread with tales of your alleged prowess in everything, so take your own advice. Stop being a twat and stick to the subjects instead of trying to insert your own egocentric personal monologue into everything.

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Reply #191 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 12:39pm

No, Lets all be egocentric, its fun.

I played A grade tennis as a kid, but lost interest later when I started work.
I was a state swimmer, but when I went into the Nationals I was so badly beaten that I decided I would never be able to compete, so I gave up.
I was worthless at cricket, being poor I never had glasses and couldn't see the bloody ball properly.
I was also only average at AFL, not fast enough on my feet.
Cross country I was a real bonus for those in charge, when I came in they knew everyone else would be in as no one was slower.

I was good at orienteering, obstacle courses and other punishing pursuits, because I just don't give in.
A black belt in martial arts, but in competition the best I ever achieved was third place, Others always seemed to be faster than I.
But with some weapons I was undefeated, knives, boe staff etc, but those bloody nun chucks are a menace, never could master those things.

I can build almost anything, have skills and qualifications in several engineering fields.
I have teaching /training qualifications and have trained people for the last 35 years in various fields.
I have been everything from a fitter to an engineering manager and have been good at them all.
I have rebuilt several bathrooms, kitchens and done considerable home maintenance for friends and family.

I will help anyone who asks and I hold a grudge for nasty people.
I am the local fix it guy that everyone comes to when in trouble and have done midnight gyprock repairs when a kid has damaged a wall and mom didn't want dad to know about it when he came home and put up fences i the middle of the night to help keep pets in when a storm took out the fence.

I like most people, regardless of who the are.

Thats me

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Re: Aboriginals adapted
Reply #192 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 4:42pm

Valkie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:34am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 9:29pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 6:49am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 11:17pm:

Valkie wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 5:33am:

While i must admit I am unfamiliar with the qualifications you have stated, I must admit tgat they appear quite comprehensive.
Shall we agree then, that our education and intellegence therefore are indisputable.
We simply have a diconnect with regard to our, different, opinions of specifics.

You do not see the world as I do, perhaps the places you have seen and the people you have met may differ from tge ones I have.

I will never agree that Islam is anything less than a very malignant and socially crippling desease on the huma race or that me and mine are in some way responsible for Australian Aboriginal problems of their own making.
But perhaps we can dispense with the name calling and insults.

This is a simple request for mutual respect, even if our opinions differ poles apart.

Sure, we can differ but until you stop your outbursts of Racism and Islamophobia and Xenophobia, Valkie our disagreement will continue to flare into dispute. There are ways of saying what you want to say in a civilised, non-Racist/non-Xenophobic/non-Islamophobic ways. Stop acting like a schoolboy and start acting like an adult. Do that I will treat you like an adult.

Then you will have to acknowledge that this CULT is nothing but an evil cult.
Its is nothing less and nothing more

Islam is a recognised religion around the world. I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that. It's childish and silly. Roll Eyes

Looks like a cult.
Smells like a CULT
Murders like a CULT
Oh My Goodness..............it is a CULT

Ten warning signs of a potentially unsafe group/cult.

Absolute authoritarianism without meaningful accountability.
No tolerance for questions or critical inquiry.
No meaningful financial disclosure regarding budget, expenses such as an independently audited financial statement.
Unreasonable fear about the outside world, such as impending catastrophe, evil conspiracies and persecutions.
There is no legitimate reason to leave, former followers are always wrong in leaving, negative or even evil.
Former members often relate the same stories of abuse and reflect a similar pattern of grievances.
There are records, books, news articles, or television programs that document the abuses of the group/leader.
Followers feel they can never be "good enough".
The group/leader is always right.
The group/leader is the exclusive means of knowing "truth" or receiving validation, no other process of discovery is really acceptable or credible.

Islam is a recognised religion around the world. I am unsure why Islamophobes are afraid to admit that. It's childish and silly. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Re: Aboriginals adapted
Reply #193 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 4:47pm

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 10:45am:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 9:33pm:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 4:13pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Mar 2^nd, 2017 at 12:11am:

Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 1^st, 2017 at 12:54pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 28^th, 2017 at 9:26pm:

I have a Ba, Ba (Hons), Ma, GradDip and Doctor of Divinity Degree, Valkie. All in the Social Sciences. I have over 25 years experience in IT working as a programmer, a Desktop support engineer, a SysAdmin and a Systems Engineer. I specialise in Unix and Linux OSs and GIS.

the social sciences are generally useless outside of universities. they mostly teach moral zealotry, as exemplified by yourself and most who've been through social science departments, and little in the way of critical thinking - or even practical thinking.

Yet I work in an field where critical thinking and practical thinking are highly valued. Where did I learn those skills? Primarily at University, studying history and politics (and geography). Social Sciences teach critical thinking as does all University courses, CW. One goes to University to primarily learn how to think, not to gain knowledge as such. Roll Eyes

critical thinking isn't subject specific. it's little more than a bunch of inquiring techniques. it can be applied to history and politics but it's not intrinsically linked to those subjects. for example, learning marx isn't critical thinking. that's just memorisation. often, leftards think they're thinking critically because they can throw out a few marxist quotes here and there.

I never claimed it was "intrinsically" linked to anything. History and Politics (and to a lesser extent Geography) were where I learnt to do it properly.

That doesn't show. You repeat almost verbatim the 'blackarm band' view of history and the 'victim' politics found so readily in university.

Actually, I don't. I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived. Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short. However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW. I leave that to idiots like you. What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong. You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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Reply #194 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 4:51pm

Valkie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 12:39pm:

No, Lets all be egocentric, its fun.

I played A grade tennis as a kid, but lost interest later when I started work.
I was a state swimmer, but when I went into the Nationals I was so badly beaten that I decided I would never be able to compete, so I gave up.
I was worthless at cricket, being poor I never had glasses and couldn't see the bloody ball properly.
I was also only average at AFL, not fast enough on my feet.
Cross country I was a real bonus for those in charge, when I came in they knew everyone else would be in as no one was slower.

I was good at orienteering, obstacle courses and other punishing pursuits, because I just don't give in.
A black belt in martial arts, but in competition the best I ever achieved was third place, Others always seemed to be faster than I.
But with some weapons I was undefeated, knives, boe staff etc, but those bloody nun chucks are a menace, never could master those things.

I can build almost anything, have skills and qualifications in several engineering fields.
I have teaching /training qualifications and have trained people for the last 35 years in various fields.
I have been everything from a fitter to an engineering manager and have been good at them all.
I have rebuilt several bathrooms, kitchens and done considerable home maintenance for friends and family.

I will help anyone who asks and I hold a grudge for nasty people.
I am the local fix it guy that everyone comes to when in trouble and have done midnight gyprock repairs when a kid has damaged a wall and mom didn't want dad to know about it when he came home and put up fences i the middle of the night to help keep pets in when a storm took out the fence.

I like most people, regardless of who the are.

Thats me

Unless of course, they are Indigenous, immigrant or Muslim, right, Valkie? You really do delude yourself. You may believe you're a nice bloke but deep down, you're a Racist/Xenophobic/Islamophobic fool. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour. Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe? Tsk, tsk, tsk... Roll Eyes

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