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Reply #225 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am
 
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Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.
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Reply #226 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:51am
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 8:45am:
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Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Actually, I don't.  I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived.   Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short.   However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW.   I leave that to idiots like you.   What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong.    You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


the 'three cheers' view hasn't been taught for about 50 years. i think you'd struggle to find any australian history course taught today that puts settlement in a positive light. one course i took back in 2003 was all about 'sexism', 'racism', 'xenophobia' etc. i learnt nothing of how australia was settled or even any major event that shaped the country. any true history course needs to take into account the morality and major perspectives of the times. only then can people understand why things happened as they did. projecting 2017 morality back onto the past does nothing to understand the past. all it tells us is what the morals and values of today are.



When I did Australian History in High School.. 5th form ..  we learned NOTHING about the people displaced by European settlement.

I can only recall a  lot of dry legal stuff. Nothing that made me knowledgeable about the first people of the land.

Skippy was about as deep as it got, back then.


aren't you about 60?



Your point ?

From memory, the Aus History I was taught....one year only, concentrated on the Australia since settlement. And of course the first fleet. The details of the penal settlers was virtually ignored. We learned about the explorers and the pollies,  the rise of the shearers and the formation of the Labor Party. About Federation, and what it was like prior to that, but nothing that truly related to the poor of Australia. I was never taught about the depravations suffered, and very little time was spent on Aboriginal peoples. Some mention was made of the settlers being killed, but that was again slanted entirely from the viewpoint of the essentially British rulers of this colony.

I'm talking about the early to mid 70's, when I was doing 5th form. Smiley
Err  that's the 1970's   Smiley
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Reply #227 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 2:05am
 
Emma wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:51am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 8:45am:
Emma wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 1:59am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 4th, 2017 at 8:11am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 3rd, 2017 at 4:47pm:
Actually, I don't.  I am quite willing to accept that a great deal of the emphasis of the "Black Armband" viewpoint is based upon romanticism of how the Indigenous Australians lived.   Their lives tended to be nasty, brutish and unfortunately all too often short.   However, nor do I trumpet the "Three Cheers" view of historiography, CW.   I leave that to idiots like you.   What I do is point to the recognised historical research that proves what is claimed by the "Three Cheers" school is wrong.    You don't like facing up to the reality of what the Colonists did to their fellow Australians, do you?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes  Roll Eyes


the 'three cheers' view hasn't been taught for about 50 years. i think you'd struggle to find any australian history course taught today that puts settlement in a positive light. one course i took back in 2003 was all about 'sexism', 'racism', 'xenophobia' etc. i learnt nothing of how australia was settled or even any major event that shaped the country. any true history course needs to take into account the morality and major perspectives of the times. only then can people understand why things happened as they did. projecting 2017 morality back onto the past does nothing to understand the past. all it tells us is what the morals and values of today are.



When I did Australian History in High School.. 5th form ..  we learned NOTHING about the people displaced by European settlement.

I can only recall a  lot of dry legal stuff. Nothing that made me knowledgeable about the first people of the land.

Skippy was about as deep as it got, back then.


aren't you about 60?



Your point ?

From memory, the Aus History I was taught....one year only, concentrated on the Australia since settlement. And of course the first fleet. The details of the penal settlers was virtually ignored. We learned about the explorers and the pollies,  the rise of the shearers and the formation of the Labor Party. About Federation, and what it was like prior to that, but nothing that truly related to the poor of Australia. I was never taught about the depravations suffered, and very little time was spent on Aboriginal peoples. Some mention was made of the settlers being killed, but that was again slanted entirely from the viewpoint of the essentially British rulers of this colony.

I'm talking about the early to mid 70's, when I was doing 5th form. Smiley
Err  that's the 1970's   Smiley


You're getting on? Grin Me too.

That's about it. We didn't have "history" as a subject until years 11 and 12 and it wasn't Australian history. We had social studies which is about what you describe.
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Reply #228 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 2:42am
 
Yeah, ..also did American History. Taught by an Hawaiian teacher. That was more challenging , in a way, because it wasn't a re-write of stuff I thought I already knew.
Even so, from my limited memory of those years the early politics didn't really interest me. It only got interesting around about the Civil War, when the emancipation of the slaves was the issue.


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Reply #229 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 4:49am
 
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


The Middle East has been a curse on humanity. The so called big three religions have come from this area and have f.ucked up the human race

There are still people who believe that 2 penguins came all the way from Antartica to the Middle East to get on a boat.

The god invented in the Middle East has held humanity back for too long. May its curse be extinguished.
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Reply #230 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:46am
 
Raven wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 4:49am:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


The Middle East has been a curse on humanity. The so called big three religions have come from this area and have f.ucked up the human race

There are still people who believe that 2 penguins came all the way from Antartica to the Middle East to get on a boat.

The god invented in the Middle East has held humanity back for too long. May its curse be extinguished.



But some of these religions grew up and did mostly good.
Education, printing, medicine etc.

And then there is the CULT

Its contribution?

War, brutality, barbarity, FGM and ongoing pedophile marriages.
The
is Cult is a curse and a plague
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Reply #231 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm
 
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Someone said we could not judge a person's Aboriginality on their skin colour.  Why isn't that applied in the matter of Pascoe?  Tsk, tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #232 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 6:01pm
 
Valkie wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:46am:
Raven wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 4:49am:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


The Middle East has been a curse on humanity. The so called big three religions have come from this area and have f.ucked up the human race

There are still people who believe that 2 penguins came all the way from Antartica to the Middle East to get on a boat.

The god invented in the Middle East has held humanity back for too long. May its curse be extinguished.



But some of these religions grew up and did mostly good.
Education, printing, medicine etc.

And then there is the CULT

Its contribution?

War, brutality, barbarity, FGM and ongoing pedophile marriages.
The
is Cult is a curse and a plague


Amazing how pig ignorant you are, Valkie.

Printing, with removable type was a Chinese invention.

Education?  Sadly lacking under the Christian church, unless it concerned The Bible.

Medicine?  Sadly lacking under the Christian church and actively resented.  It was the Muslims who preserved and taught medicine properly from the Ancient Greco-Roman period.

Christianity had a massive bun fight, call the Thirty Years War, between the old-style Christians (Catholics) and the new-style Christians (Protestants).  Over thirty million dead, with massacre, starvation, siege, battle and death.    Amazing how you're ignorant of these events.  Tsk, tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #233 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 6:47pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
The key word is majority practised, fool.
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Reply #234 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:55pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes



Don't be stupid Brian.
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Reply #235 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:40pm
 
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 6:47pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
The key word is majority practised, fool.


It's founder was born in Palestine.  All his disciples were born in Palestine. most of his initial followers were from Palestine.   The Bible depicts a Palestine that supposedly existed 2016 years ago, Rhino.    It is a Middle-Eastern religion.   Tsk, tsk.  You really are quite foolish, aren't you?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #236 - Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:46pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 8:55pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 5:55pm:
rhino wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 1:06am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 12:10am:
rhino wrote on Mar 5th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
Middle eastern culture is abhorrent, and the religion they invented is part of their culture. Thats the reality.


You really shouldn't condemn Christianity like that, Rhino.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes

If Christianity was majority practised in the middle east they would have perverted it to their culture.


Christianity is a "Middle-Eastern religion", Rhino.   It is a product (at least initially) of the society in which it was founded - a Middle-Eastern one.   Palestine was in the Middle-East IIRC.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Don't be stupid Brian.


Are you claiming that Christianity isn't a Middle-Eastern religion, Soren?  Really?

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Reply #237 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 12:56am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 6th, 2017 at 9:40pm:
It's founder was born in Palestine.  All his disciples were born in Palestine. most of his initial followers were from Palestine.   The Bible depicts a Palestine that supposedly existed 2016 years ago, Rhino.    It is a Middle-Eastern religion.   Tsk, tsk.  You really are quite foolish, aren't you?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I have a different perspective on the foundation of Christianity. It was based on the Dead Sea Scrolls. Then put together by some storytellers, in addition to other stories. It bumbled around for a bit. Got legitimised in AD 300-somethingorother. Was basically teetering on the edge of oblivion. Had some re-emergence as a religion after the Middle Ages ended. Then found a new life with the European Christians escaping Europe's enlightenment to found Christianity in the Americas.

No physical, or noted evidence of Jeebuz actually ever existed. Jeebuz might have been an amalgamation of other characters who passed on and had their stories passed on orally throughout the generations.

The sooner that religion (among other religions) die, the sooner we can go back to Paganism. Better for the environment.
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Reply #238 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 4:14am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 12:56am:
The sooner that religion (among other religions) die, the sooner we can go back to Paganism. Better for the environment.


Have to agree that religion has well and truly had it's day.
So, the drive  some folk feel for the need of an over-arching GOD is something no longer required for humanity to proceed along its path. Rather it is a hindrance.
Only harm comes from religion these days.

ALL the good done individually by people is totally out-weighed by the heinous nature of religious dogma. One only need look at the on-going enquiries into religious folk and their abuse of children to realise this truth. Or the war on-going in Syria and Iraq.
Seems current day humans are no less feral than we were 1000 years ago.

WE don't seem to learn  from history. Rather we seem doomed to repeat it.. again and again.

But getting back on topic......Aboriginal peoples seem to have settled on a generally harmless form of WORSHIP.
Rather than idolise human-type deities, they have continued true, and worship, if you want to call it that, the EARTH.

What better actions could there be?

We.. on the other hand.. raise up rather nightmarish ideologies. You need look no further than the current TV News to see this is so. Sad
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Reply #239 - Mar 7th, 2017 at 6:48am
 
Emma wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 4:14am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 12:56am:
The sooner that religion (among other religions) die, the sooner we can go back to Paganism. Better for the environment.


Have to agree that religion has well and truly had it's day.
So, the drive  some folk feel for the need of an over-arching GOD is something no longer required for humanity to proceed along its path. Rather it is a hindrance.
Only harm comes from religion these days.

ALL the good done individually by people is totally out-weighed by the heinous nature of religious dogma. One only need look at the on-going enquiries into religious folk and their abuse of children to realise this truth. Or the war on-going in Syria and Iraq.
Seems current day humans are no less feral than we were 1000 years ago.

WE don't seem to learn  from history. Rather we seem doomed to repeat it.. again and again.

But getting back on topic......Aboriginal peoples seem to have settled on a generally harmless form of WORSHIP.
Rather than idolise human-type deities, they have continued true, and worship, if you want to call it that, the EARTH.

What better actions could there be?

We.. on the other hand.. raise up rather nightmarish ideologies. You need look no further than the current TV News to see this is so. Sad


Agreed that some religions and CULTS are harmful or disruptive, but one must also look at the good, not just of the religion, but of the people who make it up.
Many many devout people do a great deal of good with charity and altruism, freely giving their time and effort to help others even at their own expense.
Many of these people work for nothing, expect nothing and are Godsend to those needing help.
Their religion is how they coordinate their activities and aid, without it, it would be so much more difficult.

Imagine if everyone decided that as its a dog eat dog world, stuff it all, I no longer care.
Where would we be if they all just looked after themselves and no one else, it would cripple the world.
There are many many religious leaders who practice what the preach, (and some who are total creeps), but on the whole they do more good than harm.
Also agreed that some religions are better than others.

I myself am Christian, I do not go to church as I believe many in the church are hypocrites, but I do believe.
But I have seen Buddhism and Hindu that appear, on the surface, as being far more peaceful and less hypocritical than mine own church.

Some CULTS and religions however are harmful, restrictive, isolationist and evil.
These CULTS and religions bring on a contamination to all religions giving plenty of reasons for people to hate all religions with the same fervor.
People not aware of these evil CULTS and who have never been involved in true belief and charity see all religions in the same light, much to their loss.

Good religions, good faith gives billions of people strength, hope and comfort throughout their lives.
Bad CULTS and religions seek to control, punish and use their followers, with no positive benefits to either the community or the followers. Only the leaders gain power and rights.

As for our Aboriginal friends, I have never met a true believer in the dream-time or true Aboriginal faith.
My Aboriginal friends see this as stories, perhaps some more in touch with their roots might be different and the ones I know have been brought up in either dysfunctional or white environments.
Some have overcome these environments, some not so.

There is a place for faith in this world.
But one must be cautious that that faith is not in evil, but in good.
This is not so hard to discern, one need only look at the face of the religion or CULT to see if it is Charitable, honest, altruistic and helpful or if it is harmful, isolationist, brutal or dishonest.

Avoid the CULTS they are the true face of Evil.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU
 
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