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Reply #270 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:54pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
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Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.


However,  using the brain repeatedly in a particular way probably will change the way the brain works.
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Reply #271 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:37pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.


biology always plays a part. removing biology from the equation equates to nothing of us existing at all. environments don't create bodies. what's really occurring is a constant interaction of the body with its environment, and vice-versa, whereby each affects the other. it's not either/or. it's and/with.
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Reply #272 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:50pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
Emma wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


Baldly, that is true. But the same observations can be made of ALL other religions.


Yep, sure can.  It's interesting how much of a free ride Christianity gets in these fora.   Islam is the only religion that gets really criticised while Christianity gets overlooked.   I wonder why?  Islamophobia perhaps?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Because Muslims are murdering people in the name of Islam. It could not possibly have escaped even your negligible mind.



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Reply #273 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 6:00pm
 
Frank wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:50pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 6:06pm:
Emma wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 2:24am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 8th, 2017 at 12:27am:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 7th, 2017 at 11:39pm:
it's more correct to describe christianty as a jewish religion


It's foundations were definitely Jewish, CW.  However, it has developed since then into something unique in it's hypocrisy and hatred.   Roll Eyes


Baldly, that is true. But the same observations can be made of ALL other religions.


Yep, sure can.  It's interesting how much of a free ride Christianity gets in these fora.   Islam is the only religion that gets really criticised while Christianity gets overlooked.   I wonder why?  Islamophobia perhaps?   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes



Because Muslims are murdering people in the name of Islam. It could not possibly have escaped even your negligible mind.





The Muslim plants in this forum are only here to distract, divert and disrupt any discussion that exposes the truth about this disgusting,barbaric and primitive CULT
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Reply #274 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.


biology always plays a part. removing biology from the equation equates to nothing of us existing at all. environments don't create bodies. what's really occurring is a constant interaction of the body with its environment, and vice-versa, whereby each affects the other. it's not either/or. it's and/with.


The environment affects how we behave. For e.g. an instrumental factor in the development of early urbanization was a food surplus. The agricultural revolution, as a result of the domestication of certain animals which did not exist on the Australian continent, led to a greater productive capacity in agriculture. The food surplus then led to a division of labour, and urbanization, which then led to writing, etc.

The Australia and American continents didn't have cattle. African had cattle but the tropical diseases affected the cattle so much that they were hardly effective. This prevented the Africans from having the capacity to create a food surplus and thereafter urbanized societies.
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Reply #275 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:24pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 3:55pm:
Valkie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 2:11pm:
greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 10:37am:
mothra wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:23am:
Emma wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 2:52am:
Is BR really Soren.?




No. Frank is Soren.


I thought Valkie was Soren.

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You are getting quite a resume

Next step is going for your 72 virgins


This is Australia, Sore End.

Do you honestly think I'd be able to find 72 virgins?





For you 72 virgin muzzo terrorists.
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Reply #276 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:32pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.


biology always plays a part. removing biology from the equation equates to nothing of us existing at all. environments don't create bodies. what's really occurring is a constant interaction of the body with its environment, and vice-versa, whereby each affects the other. it's not either/or. it's and/with.


The environment affects how we behave. For e.g. an instrumental factor in the development of early urbanization was a food surplus. The agricultural revolution, as a result of the domestication of certain animals which did not exist on the Australian continent, led to a greater productive capacity in agriculture. The food surplus then led to a division of labour, and urbanization, which then led to writing, etc.

The Australia and American continents didn't have cattle. African had cattle but the tropical diseases affected the cattle so much that they were hardly effective. This prevented the Africans from having the capacity to create a food surplus and thereafter urbanized societies.


so how did the aztecs, maya and incas develop farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanization, pyramids etc? i don't deny the environment plays a part, often a very big part, but you don't even have humans without biology. forget the far-leftists and their screeching of 'biology = nazism'. think about it objectively.
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Reply #277 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm
 
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.
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Reply #278 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:43pm
 
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:32pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 5:37pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Postmodern Trendoid III wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:41pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 4:36pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 21st, 2017 at 1:14pm:
So we're extolling the virtues of Aboriginals because they managed to pick up bits of broken glass and realised they were sharp and they could cut things with them.


The glass shows that Aboriginal people were here and were utilising new materials, changing their technology, their technique of making artifacts


Hang on what, new materials? Oh yeah, new materials to Aboriginals Smiley

I'd be impressed if they found pieces of glass, ground them to precision, put them inside a didgeridoo and used their brand new high power telescope to discover a new moon of Jupiter.   Cheesy

Finding a piece of glass on the ground and using it to cut things, I'd be impressed if a bonobo did that. Not a human.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-02-21/artefacts-show-coexistence-between-aborigi...


If want a reasonableness explanation on why different societies be evolved differently, read Jared diamond's Guns, Germs and Steel. This attributes environmental factors to urbanisation, writing and division of labour.


that book is ok, but its obsession with ruling out biology and/or genetics does it no favours.


Ooh. You're treading on controversial ground here. Biology and genetics have NOTHING to do with the development of societies. This is an established fact. Such theories are considered pseudo-science.


biology always plays a part. removing biology from the equation equates to nothing of us existing at all. environments don't create bodies. what's really occurring is a constant interaction of the body with its environment, and vice-versa, whereby each affects the other. it's not either/or. it's and/with.


The environment affects how we behave. For e.g. an instrumental factor in the development of early urbanization was a food surplus. The agricultural revolution, as a result of the domestication of certain animals which did not exist on the Australian continent, led to a greater productive capacity in agriculture. The food surplus then led to a division of labour, and urbanization, which then led to writing, etc.

The Australia and American continents didn't have cattle. African had cattle but the tropical diseases affected the cattle so much that they were hardly effective. This prevented the Africans from having the capacity to create a food surplus and thereafter urbanized societies.


so how did the aztecs, maya and incas develop farming, crops, bridges, roads, urbanization, pyramids etc? i don't deny the environment plays a part, often a very big part, but you don't even have humans without biology. forget the far-leftists and their screeching of 'biology = nazism'. think about it objectively.


So, with the Mesoamerican societies, they were a kind of semi-complex civilization. They develop the early urbanization that was existent in Mesopotamia, etc. but they never progressed beyond that. There was never an empire in that part of the world; the Aztecs were really an empire but an alliance between 3 major city-states; the Incas were an empire but didn't even last 100 years when the Conquistadors came, and even then the Incas didn't have any writing.

The really complex civilizations were the Romans, the Achaemenids, the Ancient Egyptians, the Chinese, the Indian subcontinent, etc. The Ancient Greeks are a bit of conundrum: they were highly civilized, but never coalesced to create an empire (except under Alexander the Great, which lasted for about 12 years), unless you include the Eastern Roman Empire, but that was a product of Rome, so the Greeks can't really claim it.

There are different degrees of complexity. You're also completely disregarding social institutions and structures. Biology only really plays a role on an individual level, not a societal level.
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Reply #279 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had a less complex civilization than others. I think this is due to the fact that they didn't need to develop complexity.

We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.
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Reply #280 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals

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Reply #281 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.
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Reply #282 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   
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Reply #283 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm
 
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.
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Reply #284 - Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:21pm
 
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:14pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:11pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 9:02pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50pm:
Auggie wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:45pm:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:41pm:
Aboriginal culture is one of the least developed on earth.

Why is so hard to accept this while at the same time accepting they are people who deserve to have their hopes and dreams fulfilled and live with dignity like everyone else?  Why do we needs this ridiculous charade to pretend they are something they are not.


I agree that there are different levels of complexity. The Indigenous Peoples of Australia had less complex civilization than others. We must also recognize that the the culture has been continuous for around 40,000 years, which is something that other civilizations haven't achieved.


Because of isolation, which is now their downfall.
Cultures that mixed adapted and improved. 
The world would be a dull place if we'd never advanced further than that of aboriginals



Isolation played a role. The point that you need to understand is that there was nothing more that they could do. The conditions didn't exist for them to become more complex.


Yes, I accept their culture is a result of geography and environment. I don't view them as inferior humanoids but I view their culture as inferior.   


Inferior is the wrong word. That they were able to live sustainably for tens of thousand of years is in some sense superior. I would say that their culture is different. Put it this way, I would prefer indigenous culture to North Korean culture, or to some other cultures in the world.


No,  I'd characterise them as the most basic examples of human society.

All humans mastered their environments. The prehistoric Britons would have also known the use of every last plant and animal available to them. Just look at the incredible achievements of other cultures above survival,  then look at the aboriginals. Not inferior peole, inferior culture.
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