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Reply #75 - Feb 24th, 2017 at 4:22pm
 
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mothra wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 6:34am:
Yet another crazed monologue of no substance from Valkie.


Yes.  It really is a shame that there is just so much ignorance around about Indigenous Australians.  Ignorance based upon prejudice, racism, intolerance and of course, stupidity.  In the early 21st century we have this thing called the World Wide Web.   It could lift their knowledge levels considerably, if they were to open their minds.  Valkie is a prime example of ignorance and foolishness.  He deserves to be pitied...   Roll Eyes


Bwyan you are a consummate Racist xenophobe.

Why do you hate white people?

Why do you hate white Australians?

Why do you hate Australia?
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Reply #76 - Feb 24th, 2017 at 5:36pm
 
I still wondering why picking up and using pieces of broken glass is considered some kind of achievement
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Reply #77 - Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:27pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
I still wondering why picking up and using pieces of broken glass is considered some kind of achievement 


Gordon.

Naughty boy.

You will be labelled a racist for not prostrating yourself on the alter of high Aboriginal achievement based on using discarded buts of rubbish from a superior culture.

Bad Gordon
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Reply #78 - Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:42pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:27pm:
Gordon wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
I still wondering why picking up and using pieces of broken glass is considered some kind of achievement 


Gordon.

Naughty boy.

You will be labelled a racist for not prostrating yourself on the alter of high Aboriginal achievement based on using discarded buts of rubbish from a superior culture.

Bad Gordon


Aboriginals were no doubt masters of survival in a harsh land. Nobody is taking that away from them. They also have the same potential as all humans on the planet. I don't subscribe to eugenics.

They're culture however, was under developed compared to others.

When people try to elevate their achievement to ridiculous levels, it really has the opposite effect. It makes one realise how rudimentary their culture was.

Did they do aquaculture, well probably, but the most basic form of it.

Export, if you call trading something to the tribe over the hill export, ok, sure.

And now it's gotten to the stage picking up bits of glass are noteworthy. Oh dear.
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Reply #79 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:10pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 4:22pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 5:58pm:
mothra wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 6:34am:
Yet another crazed monologue of no substance from Valkie.


Yes.  It really is a shame that there is just so much ignorance around about Indigenous Australians.  Ignorance based upon prejudice, racism, intolerance and of course, stupidity.  In the early 21st century we have this thing called the World Wide Web.   It could lift their knowledge levels considerably, if they were to open their minds.  Valkie is a prime example of ignorance and foolishness.  He deserves to be pitied...   Roll Eyes


Bwyan you are a consummate Racist xenophobe.

Why do you hate white people?

Why do you hate white Australians?

Why do you hate Australia?


Oh, dear, telling lies, Valkie?  Tsk, tsk.  I suppose it is where most Racists/Xenophobes/Islamophobes go when they can't actually create an argument that makes sense and is based upon facts.   I love Australia.  I love all peoples.  If you can produce evidence otherwise, where I have made the statements that you have claimed, I will apologise.   If you fail to produce that evidence, I expect you to apologise.   I can guess which way this should go but I know you're, well, I will be polite.

Here is space for you provide quotes and links to what you're claiming I've said, Valkie.  If you fail to fill it, then you owe me an apology:

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Reply #80 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:12pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
I still wondering why picking up and using pieces of broken glass is considered some kind of achievement 


Considering that all Indigenous peoples around the world did the same, I suppose it isn't much of one but it is an interesting one, in and of itself.   That you've chosen to denigrate it suggests what about your attitudes, Gordon?  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #81 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:17pm
 
Gordon wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
Aboriginals were no doubt masters of survival in a harsh land. Nobody is taking that away from them. They also have the same potential as all humans on the planet. I don't subscribe to eugenics.

They're culture however, was under developed compared to others.

When people try to elevate their achievement to ridiculous levels, it really has the opposite effect. It makes one realise how rudimentary their culture was.

Did they do aquaculture, well probably, but the most basic form of it.

Export, if you call trading something to the tribe over the hill export, ok, sure.

And now it's gotten to the stage picking up bits of glass are noteworthy. Oh dear.


Actually, Indigenous Australian trading routes have been traced over thousands of kilometres, Gordon, so a bit more that just "over the hill".

As for their aquaculture, sophisticated fish traps have been discovered right around the continent from Tasmania to the Top End.   In S.W. Victoria, sophisticated eel traps and breeding ponds have been discovered.   So, it was a bit more than just the most basic form of aquaculture.

Your ignorance, like that of Valkie is quite astounding really, considering that we live in the early 21st century and you have access to the World Wide Web.   Your narrow-mindedness is also quite astounding.   That is unless you're a racist?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Aboriginals adapted
Reply #82 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:34pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:12pm:
 That you've chosen to denigrate it suggests what about your attitudes,

Why did they not "invent glass"?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 5:58pm:
It could lift their knowledge levels considerably


Whom Abo's?

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Indigenous


Means you live in the country you were born in!!!!!

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Indigenous Australian trading


Only in dream time land.

Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:17pm:
Your ignorance,


Is quite astounding, considering this!

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Re: Aboriginals adapted
Reply #83 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:46pm
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:36am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:21am:
rhino wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:11am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:28am:
Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.


As I recall (not that I was around at the time), scientists believe that the interior of Australia (around the desert areas) was an inland see many thousands of years ago. Hence the soil salinity of the interior is high because of it. Over those thousands of years when the land became apparent, the rainfall has slowly diluted the land of its salinity. But because of the salinity factor, it would take a long time for anything to be able to grow in the interior that was not salt tolerable.



Yeee-usssh - which goes some way to my idea of re-flooding it by breaking through from SA, and creating the GAIA I - the Great Australian Inland Aquifer - and changing the interior climate.  If it weren't for the presence of the Thin-skin-footed Hopping Toad and the Double Breasted Mattress Thrasher in Lake Eyre......


I was thinking about that the other day. That Australia should spend the billions in constructing our own inland water ways and river systems. Have one water way go from Lake Eyre to the Great Australian Bight, and let it wash the salt content out of the middle of Australia.
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Reply #84 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:04pm
 
Bwyannnnn

The racist Xenophobe.

He hateth the white fella.
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Reply #85 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:54pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:36am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:21am:
rhino wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:11am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:28am:
Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.


As I recall (not that I was around at the time), scientists believe that the interior of Australia (around the desert areas) was an inland see many thousands of years ago. Hence the soil salinity of the interior is high because of it. Over those thousands of years when the land became apparent, the rainfall has slowly diluted the land of its salinity. But because of the salinity factor, it would take a long time for anything to be able to grow in the interior that was not salt tolerable.



Yeee-usssh - which goes some way to my idea of re-flooding it by breaking through from SA, and creating the GAIA I - the Great Australian Inland Aquifer - and changing the interior climate.  If it weren't for the presence of the Thin-skin-footed Hopping Toad and the Double Breasted Mattress Thrasher in Lake Eyre......


I was thinking about that the other day. That Australia should spend the billions in constructing our own inland water ways and river systems. Have one water way go from Lake Eyre to the Great Australian Bight, and let it wash the salt content out of the middle of Australia.


Such simplistic ideas.   Lake Eyre is below sea level so that any flow of water would be into the Lake, not out of it.   As Australia is saturated with salt, you'd be "washing it out" for an awfully long time and for you to get it all out would take millions of years.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #86 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:55pm
 
Valkie wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:04pm:
Bwyannnnn

The racist Xenophobe.

He hateth the white fella.


No apology?  No quotes and links?  Tsk, tsk, how typical of the Racist/Xenophobe/Islamophobic mindset.   You have to resort to ad homimen debate because you cannot win a real one.   Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #87 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 11:11pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:36am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:21am:
rhino wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:11am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:28am:
Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.


As I recall (not that I was around at the time), scientists believe that the interior of Australia (around the desert areas) was an inland see many thousands of years ago. Hence the soil salinity of the interior is high because of it. Over those thousands of years when the land became apparent, the rainfall has slowly diluted the land of its salinity. But because of the salinity factor, it would take a long time for anything to be able to grow in the interior that was not salt tolerable.



Yeee-usssh - which goes some way to my idea of re-flooding it by breaking through from SA, and creating the GAIA I - the Great Australian Inland Aquifer - and changing the interior climate.  If it weren't for the presence of the Thin-skin-footed Hopping Toad and the Double Breasted Mattress Thrasher in Lake Eyre......


I was thinking about that the other day. That Australia should spend the billions in constructing our own inland water ways and river systems. Have one water way go from Lake Eyre to the Great Australian Bight, and let it wash the salt content out of the middle of Australia.


Such simplistic ideas.   Lake Eyre is below sea level so that any flow of water would be into the Lake, not out of it.   As Australia is saturated with salt, you'd be "washing it out" for an awfully long time and for you to get it all out would take millions of years.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I did consider that Lake Eyre was 15m below sea level. But I was considering areas around Lake Eyre that were not below sea level, and not directly from Lake Eyre. Something like an man-made inland river system that could connect onto larger river system which drains to the sea. Not like it has to be flowing all the time.

Unrealistically, it would probably take about 2000mm of rain every year to flood inland Australia to get the saline content to wash to the sea. The best we can hope is for the government to implement some environmental controls where plant life can sustain themselves with salt tolerant trees and shrubs.
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Reply #88 - Feb 26th, 2017 at 12:43am
 
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 11:11pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 4:46pm:
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 6:36am:
UnSubRocky wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:21am:
rhino wrote on Feb 24th, 2017 at 1:11am:
Johnnie wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:28am:
Abbos harnessed fire.
Yeah, and they used it indiscriminatley and caused the deforestation of inland Australia.


As I recall (not that I was around at the time), scientists believe that the interior of Australia (around the desert areas) was an inland see many thousands of years ago. Hence the soil salinity of the interior is high because of it. Over those thousands of years when the land became apparent, the rainfall has slowly diluted the land of its salinity. But because of the salinity factor, it would take a long time for anything to be able to grow in the interior that was not salt tolerable.



Yeee-usssh - which goes some way to my idea of re-flooding it by breaking through from SA, and creating the GAIA I - the Great Australian Inland Aquifer - and changing the interior climate.  If it weren't for the presence of the Thin-skin-footed Hopping Toad and the Double Breasted Mattress Thrasher in Lake Eyre......


I was thinking about that the other day. That Australia should spend the billions in constructing our own inland water ways and river systems. Have one water way go from Lake Eyre to the Great Australian Bight, and let it wash the salt content out of the middle of Australia.


Such simplistic ideas.   Lake Eyre is below sea level so that any flow of water would be into the Lake, not out of it.   As Australia is saturated with salt, you'd be "washing it out" for an awfully long time and for you to get it all out would take millions of years.  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


I did consider that Lake Eyre was 15m below sea level. But I was considering areas around Lake Eyre that were not below sea level, and not directly from Lake Eyre. Something like an man-made inland river system that could connect onto larger river system which drains to the sea. Not like it has to be flowing all the time.

Unrealistically, it would probably take about 2000mm of rain every year to flood inland Australia to get the saline content to wash to the sea. The best we can hope is for the government to implement some environmental controls where plant life can sustain themselves with salt tolerant trees and shrubs.


We already have that, UnSubRocky.   Australian native flora is highly salt-tolerant.  The problem is the farmers have cleared most of it off the productive land, this has resulted in the salt laden water table rising to the point where it is affecting the introduced, colonial flora, which isn't salt tolerant and so it all dies off.    Some farmers have already tried to create large canals which go down to the water table and take away a lot of the salt laden water.  Problem is, it is less efficient than the native flora.   You end up with more salt being drawn to the surface.

Lake Eyre is one of the lowest points in Australia.   All water courses around it, flow into it.   Water from the western side of the Great Dividing Range generally flow into it.  Only the Murray-Darling doesn't.   So, basically you're going to have to flood it, if you want to flood inland Australia.   This will destroy a unique environment which has been created over the last 50K years.  Flora and fauna uniquely adapted to it.   Are you sure you want to do that?

The Bradfield Scheme wanted to essentially do that by turning the rivers flowing eastwards from the Great Dividing Range to the western side of the range, rather as the Snow Mountains Scheme did for the Snowy River, further south.   Bradfield's scheme was hopelessly optimistic and of course failed to consider the effects on the eastern side of the Great Dividing Range, just as it failed to consider the effects on the western side.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #89 - Feb 26th, 2017 at 1:27am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 12:43am:
We already have that, UnSubRocky.   Australian native flora is highly salt-tolerant.  The problem is the farmers have cleared most of it off the productive land, this has resulted in the salt laden water table rising to the point where it is affecting the introduced, colonial flora, which isn't salt tolerant and so it all dies off.    Some farmers have already tried to create large canals which go down to the water table and take away a lot of the salt laden water.  Problem is, it is less efficient than the native flora.   You end up with more salt being drawn to the surface.

Lake Eyre is one of the lowest points in Australia.   All water courses around it, flow into it.   Water from the western side of the Great Dividing Range generally flow into it.  Only the Murray-Darling doesn't.   So, basically you're going to have to flood it, if you want to flood inland Australia.   This will destroy a unique environment which has been created over the last 50K years.  Flora and fauna uniquely adapted to it.   Are you sure you want to do that?

The Bradfield Scheme wanted to essentially do that by turning the rivers flowing eastwards from the Great Dividing Range to the western side of the range, rather as the Snow Mountains Scheme did for the Snowy River, further south.   Bradfield's scheme was hopelessly optimistic and of course failed to consider the effects on the eastern side of the Great Dividing Range, just as it failed to consider the effects on the western side.   Roll Eyes


I will have to start off by saying that this is interesting stuff that I did not know. I will look this topic up on the internet in the next few weeks.

Secondly, I just wanted to point out that there is nothing wrong with trying to find a solution to Australia's desertification. I was already aware that we have native trees that can counter the salinity of soils. Trees like salt grow (or whatever the scientific name may be). These types of flora have reversed the problems that farmers have encountered (perhaps caused) over the last 2 centuries. Salt grow being particularly useful in draining murky swamps (saline or otherwise) and allowing the surrounding environment to become useful fertile farmland.

Hearing through the grapevine that the government has undertaken to plant these native vegetations in areas where they are needed most urgently. But, I am told that this is going to take decades of growth and planting to recover good fertile farmland.

What I want to happen is for Australia's regional areas to have saline reduced soils over the next few decades. I know that is optimistic and perhaps unrealistic. But I think we have reached a point in our development when countering soil salinity is a bigger issue than we have entertained in the past. We can't simply go about our lives living in the past thinking that we should stick to a continent that is hopelessly unproductive in the interior, whilst packing our coastlines and cities with large populations.
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