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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #30 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:45pm
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:43pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 5:19pm:
Perhaps this twisted apologism is why Brian is so willing to pass moral judgement on Australians but not Muhammed:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:
I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.


yes well posting bwian is a lying hypocrite is de rigueur these days.


Nah.  This is getting way out of hand.  Gandalf, you are the Mod here.
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Reply #31 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:48pm
 
Good luck there fd, bwian is simply a lying hypocrite...  his arguments are based on that and the ones here are so full of holes its laughable. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Grin Grin Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
He will never admit to being wrong and he will never apologise. Cheesy
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #32 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:12pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:50pm:
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I am not afraid of criticising Muslims.  I just don't see the point, just as I don't see the point of criticising Mormons or Christadelphians or Catholics for their beliefs, FD.   They are theirs and long as they don't intrude on me, I'm happy.   I've never had a Muslim knocking on my front door and asking me to believe in Allah.  Funny that, hey?


You are afraid to criticise Muslims Brian.


You will believe what you want to believe and you will post what ever you desire to post, FD.  Nothing I say will ever make you change your mind.  So, lets leave it at that.  I am magnanimous and willing to disagree with you.  Are you willing to disagree with me?  I suspect not.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You previously accused me of taking this quote out of context brian, but would not clarify in what way you wish to disown it. Do you still hold these views?

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.


I was correct, you aren't willing to let it go.   Tsk, tsk, FD.  Tough.  The mystery is all yours.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #33 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:31pm
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:43pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 5:19pm:
Perhaps this twisted apologism is why Brian is so willing to pass moral judgement on Australians but not Muhammed:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:
I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.


yes well posting bwian is a lying hypocrite is de rigueur these days.


Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #34 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:33pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:30pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:12pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:50pm:
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I am not afraid of criticising Muslims.  I just don't see the point, just as I don't see the point of criticising Mormons or Christadelphians or Catholics for their beliefs, FD.   They are theirs and long as they don't intrude on me, I'm happy.   I've never had a Muslim knocking on my front door and asking me to believe in Allah.  Funny that, hey?


You are afraid to criticise Muslims Brian.


You will believe what you want to believe and you will post what ever you desire to post, FD.  Nothing I say will ever make you change your mind.  So, lets leave it at that.  I am magnanimous and willing to disagree with you.  Are you willing to disagree with me?  I suspect not.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You previously accused me of taking this quote out of context brian, but would not clarify in what way you wish to disown it. Do you still hold these views?

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.


I was correct, you aren't willing to let it go.   Tsk, tsk, FD.  Tough.  The mystery is all yours.   Roll Eyes


The eternal mystery of whether Brian actually believes the crap he posts.
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Reply #35 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 10:10pm
 
Have you ever thought of asking?
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Reply #36 - Feb 22nd, 2017 at 11:30pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:10pm:

What a shame you failed to read the whole work, Yadda.


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(It is significant to note that, in both of Polo’s block quotes above, he criticizes Muslim doctrine — not so much Muslim peoples. In other words, he allows for what would today be called “moderate” Muslims, as shown by his aforementioned praise for individual Muslim leaders.)

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Polo was not an "Islamophobe", he did not hate Muslims or even Islam.   Unlike you.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes





No shame at all Brian.

I read the whole article before i posted it.




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He refers to one Muslim leader as governing “with justice” (p.317) and another who “showed himself [to be] a very good lord, and made himself beloved by everybody (p.332).”

That said, Polo clearly had no problem being blunt about Islam.....Whereas he praised the Brahmins for their “hatred for cheating or of taking the goods of other persons,” regarding the Muslims of Tauris, (modern day Iraq), he wrote:

    According to their doctrine, whatever is stolen or plundered from others of a different faith, is properly taken, and the theft is no crime;.....





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(It is significant to note that, in both of Polo’s block quotes above, he criticizes Muslim doctrine — not so much Muslim peoples. In other words, he allows for what would today be called “moderate” Muslims, as shown by his aforementioned praise for individual Muslim leaders.)




'he allows for what would today be called “moderate” Muslims'


And yet, it is precisely 'Muslim doctrine' [ISLAM] which causes the moslem [as an individual] to so often err, morally.

Yet the moslem [as a group] refuse to acknowledge any wrongdoing in being guided by 'Muslim doctrine' [ISLAM], which sanctions which 'makes lawful' many criminal actions.

And within that moral framework, ISLAM 'normalises', and makes lawful, a culture of intimidation, theft, political violence [terrorism], rape, murder,          so long as the victims of those [often violent] crimes are not moslems.



And like so many, you are a part of it Brian.

The wrongdoing.

Because you are unwilling to criticise the     MANIFEST     wrongdoings of the moslem,          because clearly, you have decided that it is not in your own interests to do so.


Brian Ross wrote on Sep 15th, 2013 at 5:39pm:

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.




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Reply #37 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:20am
 
What a shame you not as advanced as Polo was in your analysis of Muslims, Yadda.  You are an Islamophobe.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #38 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:22am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 10:10pm:
Have you ever thought of asking?


FD never asks.  He tells us what we are all thinking.  Tsk, tsk, Karnal, you should know that by now.   Roll Eyes
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #39 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 7:54am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:20am:
What a shame you not as advanced as Polo was in your analysis of Muslims, Yadda.  You are an Islamophobe.  Tsk, tsk.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You are a Christianophobic bigot!
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Reply #40 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:01am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:22am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 10:10pm:
Have you ever thought of asking?


FD never asks.  He tells us what we are all thinking.  Tsk, tsk, Karnal, you should know that by now.   Roll Eyes

yet you libel and pretend to mindread bwian... you cant even bring yourself to apologise for your constant lies and hypocrisy.
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Reply #41 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:03am
 
Oh and while I remember all you dingbats blaming Pickering for the article and playing the man and ignoring the substance of the article....  might have been nice if you had some credibility and actually got the name of the author correct eh? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Roll Eyes
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Reply #42 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 9:35am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 8:03am:
Oh and while I remember all you dingbats blaming Pickering for the article and playing the man and ignoring the substance of the article....  might have been nice if you had some credibility and actually got the name of the author correct eh? Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Grin Roll Eyes



http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1487735685/11#11

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Reply #43 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 9:50am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:22am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 10:10pm:
Have you ever thought of asking?


FD never asks.  He tells us what we are all thinking.  Tsk, tsk, Karnal, you should know that by now.   Roll Eyes


Yes, Brian, but sometimes a question is just a question, you know.
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Reply #44 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 10:04am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:07pm:
I think people had good reason to try to kill him. I am not aware of the details of what happened in Mecca. In Medina, Muhammed was openly hostile to Jews and threatening them, at the same time as Muslims such as yourself expected the Jews to remain bound to whatever treay they had.

BTW, how did you make the leap from "growing aggression and intolerance" to "peacefully preaching"?


So basically you are saying the Meccan leaders were justified in persecuting a peaceful preacher because of events that hadn't yet happened. Do you think the attempt on his life and driving out his followers and confiscating their property had any bearing on later hostilities?

'growing aggression and intolerance' was the author's spin in attempting to paint a peaceful preacher as something other than that. No one has ever attempted to claim Muhammad was violent in any way towards the Meccan masters - not even the most rabid of revisionists. Nor did he ever encourage violence before the Hijra. So you are literally justifying the violent persecution and forced exile of a group of people because they were expressing non-violent criticism of the leadership. Lets remember that next time you get all uppity about people advocating violence against peaceful criticism.

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I mocked it for the same reason I woulkd mock a Nazi complaining about western interference in Hitler's grand scheme of a thousand year reich.


You mocked it because you didn't believe it happened. So you are in disagreement with the article.

However you are on the same page on justifying the violent persecution of peaceful protesters.
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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