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Not a bad write-up. (Read 7707 times)
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #45 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 11:02am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 10:04am:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:07pm:
I mocked it for the same reason I woulkd mock a Nazi complaining about western interference in Hitler's grand scheme of a thousand year reich.


You mocked it because you didn't believe it happened. So you are in disagreement with the article.

However you are on the same page on justifying the violent persecution of peaceful protesters.


But FD has never mocked Nazis complaining about things. He's had ample opportunity on this board.

Let's see, there's Herbie, Bogie, Sprint, Gordon, Homo, Honky and the old boy - all card-carrying Nazis in one form or another. All have championed National Socialism and Nazi racial theory. All have defended Nazi methods, including concentration camps and mass executions.

And then there's Moses, with whom FD is in sound agreement. Moses is an interesting case as he transcribes racial characteristics onto Muslims, those who the above posters are keen to distinguish from a race - "not racist". Moses' arguments about inbreeding and "retardation" turn FD's "criticism of Islam" into a whole new racial agenda, and FD supports it completely. FD supports the detention of people at airports who "look" Muslim for Muslim-specific screening and banning. FD has also added Aboriginals to his arguments about Muslims, claiming they have additional legal rights to white people. FD's purpose, as he says, is to defend the "freedoms of white people everywhere", who are under attack from certain cultural and racial groups, including Muslims and Aboriginals.      

This, of course, was the very basis of the Nazi program. Hitler wanted to defend the German people from the "racial pollution" of the Jews, gypsies and other races. Nazism created a social hierarchy based on race, with certain races identified as "sub-humans", people to be stripped of all human and legal rights.

FD has defended this categorization too, using an inscrutable genetic argument no one here could follow. While he has stopped short at calling for a ban or culling of all the "sub-human" races, as Herbie and others do regularly here, it's hard to imagine the post-2007 FD holding back. He has never criticized or disagreed with such arguments, and ignored all questions when asked directly.

The post-2007 FD has never mocked the Nazis. Every post FD has made defends their arguments. Every question put to FD on this subject has been evaded. While FD likes to complain about having words "put in his mouth", he either refuses to put words in his own mouth, or agrees with the arguments of the Nazis. Indeed, FD has complained about words put in his mouth that FD himself has said. When his own words are put to him, FD changes the subject, asks more questions, or leaves the thread.

Freeeeedom, innit.
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #46 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 11:54am
 
mothra wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 4:19pm:
Usual rubbish from Pickering.

Sorry gweggy missed your post... you at least have 1/2 a brain. Roll Eyes

You could have told mothra and the other dingbats that as well couldn't you. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
Saving it up were you? Cheesy
Glad at least 2 of us noticed. Wink
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #47 - Feb 23rd, 2017 at 11:59am
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 11:54am:
mothra wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 4:19pm:
Usual rubbish from Pickering.

Sorry gweggy missed your post... you at least have 1/2 a brain.

You could have told mothra and the others that as well couldn't you.



Well, there is utter rubbish from Pickering.

He changed Zanetti's title from:

"Islam And Women - A Historical Perspective"

To:

"OF COURSE I'M A HALF-WIT ... ONLY MUSLIM MEN CAN BE FULL-WITS - Yassmin Abdel-Magied's extraordinary claim!"
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #48 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 9:05am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 23rd, 2017 at 12:22am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 10:10pm:
Have you ever thought of asking?


FD never asks.  He tells us what we are all thinking.  Tsk, tsk, Karnal, you should know that by now.   Roll Eyes


Do you still hold these views Brian?

freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:33pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 9:30pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 7:12pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 6:50pm:
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I am not afraid of criticising Muslims.  I just don't see the point, just as I don't see the point of criticising Mormons or Christadelphians or Catholics for their beliefs, FD.   They are theirs and long as they don't intrude on me, I'm happy.   I've never had a Muslim knocking on my front door and asking me to believe in Allah.  Funny that, hey?


You are afraid to criticise Muslims Brian.


You will believe what you want to believe and you will post what ever you desire to post, FD.  Nothing I say will ever make you change your mind.  So, lets leave it at that.  I am magnanimous and willing to disagree with you.  Are you willing to disagree with me?  I suspect not.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


You previously accused me of taking this quote out of context brian, but would not clarify in what way you wish to disown it. Do you still hold these views?

I make no excuses for those nations and their laws, BV.  I merely recognise that it is their right to create and unfortunately impose those punishments.   It is terrible but I also recognise I have no right or ability to criticise them.  I am neither a member of their religion or a citizen of any of those nations.


I was correct, you aren't willing to let it go.   Tsk, tsk, FD.  Tough.  The mystery is all yours.   Roll Eyes


The eternal mystery of whether Brian actually believes the crap he posts.

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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #49 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 9:09am
 
Looks like FD's taking questions, BR.

I think he wants to engage you in discussion.
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Reply #50 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 9:16am
 
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So basically you are saying the Meccan leaders were justified in persecuting a peaceful preacher because of events that hadn't yet happened.


I am saying I am not aware of the details. That is why I said I am not aware of the details. In my experience Muslims are reluctant to go over them. Apparently children bit him and dogs spat on him.

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Do you think the attempt on his life and driving out his followers and confiscating their property had any bearing on later hostilities?


I expect it made Muhammed a bitter, angry old man, and he gave it back in spades to anyone who didn't kneel for him. Pretty much the opposite of Ghandi, Jesus, Mandela - the people who actually stuck to what they started out preaching. People who actually deserve respect.

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'growing aggression and intolerance' was the author's spin in attempting to paint a peaceful preacher as something other than that


Are you suggesting that Muhammed did not become more agressive and intolerant?

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No one has ever attempted to claim Muhammad was violent in any way towards the Meccan masters - not even the most rabid of revisionists. Nor did he ever encourage violence before the Hijra.


It was not necessary for him to express his intolerance. After all, the slaughter of the Jews acted as a strong warning to anyone considering not giving him what he wants. You cannot pretend that his genocide was not an implicit threat of violence, and a very effective one. The Mecca of today is an expression of Muhammed's intolerance.
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #51 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 3:48pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 9:09am:
Looks like FD's taking questions, BR.

I think he wants to engage you in discussion.


Does he?  He has rather a funny way of achieving that, Karnal.  Tsk, tsk...   Roll Eyes
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #52 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:14pm
 
Bwian you broke your worthless word buddy... you have no credibility.


So bwian you've reneged on your promise hey...  how unusual for you...  well bwian you owe me an
unreserved
apology as originally promised...  and I will keep holding you to it until I get one...

WHERE IS MY UNRESERVED APOLOGY BWIAN...
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #53 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:30pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 9:16am:
I am saying I am not aware of the details.


You don't say.

Funny how this little revelation has never stopped you from making up all sorts of crap about it and using it to construct elaborate memes.

FD are you now saying you were wrong to mock the legitimacy of the assassination attempt? Has it ever occurred to you to educate yourself of "the details"?
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #54 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:36pm
 
I am happy to accept that Muhammed started out preaching peace and tolerance while he was in a position of weakness then switched to rape and pillage once he was in a position of strength. I have even said so many times myself.

I have asked Muslims about the details plenty of times. They either don't know themselves or are reluctant to say.
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Reply #55 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:38pm
 
I don't think that's right fd.
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Reply #56 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 7:40pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:30pm:
Has it ever occurred to you to educate yourself of "the details"?


An interesting idea, G. Are you suggesting FD should do some reading or take a course or something like that?

I don't know about that. I think FD's preferred method is to ask you, and then disagree with your answers.
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Reply #57 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 8:24pm
 
What details are there that are not recent inventions in books like the sealed nectar?
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Re: Not a bad write-up.
Reply #58 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 9:03pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
I am happy to accept that Muhammed started out preaching peace and tolerance while he was in a position of weakness then switched to rape and pillage once he was in a position of strength. I have even said so many times myself.


We know FD, but thats not what we're talking about here.

I'm pointing out your attempted backpeddling from openly mocking the idea that there was an assassination attempt on Muhammad, which precipitated his migration to Medina, to now accepting it because some Islamophobic rant states it as fact, and you can't bear the thought of disputing it after declaring there was nothing in the article you disagreed with.

Or more specifically, from...

freediver wrote on Apr 11th, 2016 at 6:25pm:

Muhammed openly robbed Meccan caravans for years before they attacked him.


and...

freediver wrote on Apr 12th, 2016 at 8:10pm:
"well documented" cases of someone trying to kill him that even google struggles with


to...

freediver wrote on Feb 22nd, 2017 at 8:07pm:
I think people had good reason to try to kill him....

Whatever limited improvements he preached relative to conditions at the time (tolerance of diversity was obviously not among them), his long term influence was to destroy western civilisation by locking it into the most uncivilised and brutal ideology. Muhammed was a grand hypocrite to the extent he initially preached peace and tolerance, and the people who opposed him no doubt saw this. Muhammed's later actions validate their judgement of him.


But of course this isn't merely a demonstration of your backpeddling, you are also demonstrating your support for acting violently against peaceful activists (as long as they're muslim of course).

freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 5:36pm:
I have asked Muslims about the details plenty of times. They either don't know themselves or are reluctant to say.


What details exactly are you after FD? The treatment of the early muslims before the hijra? Strange, whenever I want to know about the details of a particular event/period in history, I go and research it for myself. Not demand that others tell me. As it happens there is a reasonable amount of literature on the subject. I'd recommend starting with Montgomery Watt. But of course I have suggested this before as you well know - and yet here you are once again whinging about nobody telling you the details. Strange.

FD, would it be fair to say that you are willfully ignorant on this topic? Is it fair to say that this willful ignorance is part of some bizarre meme that enables you to say "I'd love to know what happened, but those darned muslims won't tell me!" Ingenious isn't it - that you can actually use your own ignorance as a tool to somehow demonstrate how sneaky the muslims are.
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Reply #59 - Feb 25th, 2017 at 9:08pm
 
freediver wrote on Feb 25th, 2017 at 8:24pm:
What details are there that are not recent inventions in books like the sealed nectar?


Good question FD. But you could always conduct your own objective research on that very question. Wouldn't this make more sense rather than asking someone you have already decided is biased to the point of being deceitful what are the unbiased sources?
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