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Re: The Mess called the Middle East...
Reply #15 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:21pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 11:44am:
No nutjob ever becomes a leader in the Middle East without the blessing of Uncle SAM.


And with very good reason. It was only relatively recently that we managed to stop Muslim countries raiding Europe and Africa for slaves.


UK and USA didn't like business competition.


True, but we managed to find an alternative source of energy to human labour.

When Texas ran out, we decided to raid the Middle East for oil instead. 

Freeeeeedom, innit.
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Reply #16 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:23pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:21pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 11:44am:
No nutjob ever becomes a leader in the Middle East without the blessing of Uncle SAM.


And with very good reason. It was only relatively recently that we managed to stop Muslim countries raiding Europe and Africa for slaves.


UK and USA didn't like business competition.


True, but we managed to find an alternative source of energy to human labour.

When Texas ran out, we decided to raid the Middle East for oil instead. 

Freeeeeedom, innit.


Freedom to exploit the weak.
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Reply #17 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:24pm
 
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Re: The Mess called the Middle East...
Reply #18 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:25pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:23pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:21pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 11:44am:
No nutjob ever becomes a leader in the Middle East without the blessing of Uncle SAM.


And with very good reason. It was only relatively recently that we managed to stop Muslim countries raiding Europe and Africa for slaves.


UK and USA didn't like business competition.


True, but we managed to find an alternative source of energy to human labour.

When Texas ran out, we decided to raid the Middle East for oil instead. 

Freeeeeedom, innit.


Freedom to exploit the weak.


I believe that's FD's point.
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Reply #19 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:54pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:21pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 11:44am:
No nutjob ever becomes a leader in the Middle East without the blessing of Uncle SAM.


And with very good reason. It was only relatively recently that we managed to stop Muslim countries raiding Europe and Africa for slaves.


UK and USA didn't like business competition.


True, but we managed to find an alternative source of energy to human labour.

When Texas ran out, we decided to raid the Middle East for oil instead. 

Freeeeeedom, innit.

Nice story but the US haven't run out even yet... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #20 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:55pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 2:59pm:
Grendel wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 2:36pm:
Ah yes another top notch contribution from karnal.
thanks mate Cheesy Grin Cheesy Grin Cheesy


No worries. Muslims have IQs under 81 - a scientific fact.

What's yours?

Oh no...  you go first... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #21 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 4:08pm
 
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Tunisia is a North African country bordering the Mediterranean Sea and Sahara Desert. In the capital, Tunis, the Bardo Museum has archaeological exhibits from Roman mosaics to Islamic art. The city’s medina quarter encompasses the massive Al-Zaytuna Mosque.

The population is 99 percent Sunni Muslim. Groups that together constitute the remaining 1 percent of the population include Shia Muslims, Baha'is, Jews, and Christians.


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Tunisia's security crackdown breeding new generation of IS fighters: Hedi Hammami
Farid Farid


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However in the aftermath of the revolution Tunisia has also been rocked by a series of deadly terrorist attacks that have intensified since 2015. A state of emergency was declared in November 2015 and has been renewed ever since, giving authorities more leeway in detaining terrorism suspects.

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The country is also the largest source of foreign fighters globally joining Islamic State in Iraq and Syria. Sharing a 500-kilometre border with Libya, where Islamic State until recently had a stronghold in Sirte, has also been a concern for the small North African country.

Tunisians who spent time in overcrowded prisons have claimed responsibility for attacks overseas. Anis Amiri, who ploughed through Christmas markets in Berlin in December 2016, killing 12 people, was an escaped Tunisian national.


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German Chancellor Angela Merkel also recently met with Tunisian Prime Minister Youssef Chahed to discuss deporting Tunisians whose asylum applications had failed.

Authorities in Tunisia have enforced a strict travel ban preventing over 5000 people, including Hammami, from joining militant groups.


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"You have around 18,000 youth willing to go to theatres of war in Syria and Iraq. That is a frightening number. What are the national programs to stop this phenomenon? Nothing," he told Fairfax Media.


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Many have been imprisoned upon their return but security forces have expanded their powers of arrest to hold citizens suspected of radicalisation through physical appearance, such as men growing beards and women wearing the niqab (full-face veil).


Hmmm, so this is how Muslim countries identify radicals and jihadis...
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Reply #22 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 7:18pm
 
Grendel wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:21pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 11:44am:
No nutjob ever becomes a leader in the Middle East without the blessing of Uncle SAM.


And with very good reason. It was only relatively recently that we managed to stop Muslim countries raiding Europe and Africa for slaves.


UK and USA didn't like business competition.


True, but we managed to find an alternative source of energy to human labour.

When Texas ran out, we decided to raid the Middle East for oil instead. 

Freeeeeedom, innit.

Nice story but the US haven't run out even yet... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I know, they found new oil.

Won't say your IQ, eh? I understand.

You're too humble, Grendel, that's your problem.
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Reply #23 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 7:23pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
Grendel wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:21pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 11:44am:
No nutjob ever becomes a leader in the Middle East without the blessing of Uncle SAM.


And with very good reason. It was only relatively recently that we managed to stop Muslim countries raiding Europe and Africa for slaves.


UK and USA didn't like business competition.


True, but we managed to find an alternative source of energy to human labour.

When Texas ran out, we decided to raid the Middle East for oil instead. 

Freeeeeedom, innit.

Nice story but the US haven't run out even yet... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I know, they found new oil.

Won't say your IQ, eh? I understand.

You're too humble, Grendel, that's your problem.

Oh and lets not forget about all those reserves they already had eh...
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Reply #24 - Feb 27th, 2017 at 7:25pm
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 7:18pm:
Grendel wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:54pm:
Karnal wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:21pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:13pm:
freediver wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 12:38pm:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 26th, 2017 at 11:44am:
No nutjob ever becomes a leader in the Middle East without the blessing of Uncle SAM.


And with very good reason. It was only relatively recently that we managed to stop Muslim countries raiding Europe and Africa for slaves.


UK and USA didn't like business competition.


True, but we managed to find an alternative source of energy to human labour.

When Texas ran out, we decided to raid the Middle East for oil instead. 

Freeeeeedom, innit.

Nice story but the US haven't run out even yet... Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy


I know, they found new oil.

Won't say your IQ, eh? I understand.

You're too humble, Grendel, that's your problem.

yes that is true.
Wassup?
Don't you have an IQ?
Don't worry they are unreliable anyway. Grin
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Reply #25 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:06am
 
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:24pm:
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Unforgettable,

You forgot one option....



USA is the biggest cause of conflict and death in the Middle East

Yes
No
Or, the Joos



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Reply #26 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:15pm
 
There is no question that the mess in the ME has been exacerbated by US policy, but it is not the only meddler in Middle Eastern affairs, and the US in not the root-cause of the problem. Even if oil could be taken out of the equation, religion,tribalism and ignorance would still be there to supply as much disharmony as anyone could desire.
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Reply #27 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:24pm
 
issuevoter wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:15pm:
There is no question that the mess in the ME has been exacerbated by US policy, but it is not the only meddler in Middle Eastern affairs, and the US in not the root-cause of the problem. Even if oil could be taken out of the equation, religion,tribalism and ignorance would still be there to supply as much disharmony as anyone could desire.


What a chaotic move it was to remove Gadaffi when there was no other credible system of government in Libya.

The result, death, war and chaos possible for generations.

Without competent post-war administrations, there is chaos after regime change for it's own sake.
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Reply #28 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 12:25pm
 
Yadda wrote on Mar 2nd, 2017 at 9:06am:
Unforgiven wrote on Feb 27th, 2017 at 3:24pm:
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Unforgettable,

You forgot one option....

USA is the biggest cause of conflict and death in the Middle East

Yes
No
Or, the Joos



Israel is a by-product of USA meddling.
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Reply #29 - Mar 2nd, 2017 at 1:07pm
 
Really I thought it was a by product of Hitler, attempted genocide, WW2, and the League of Nations.

Oh and the US was never  a member of the LoNs...
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