Australian Politics Forum - The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention...

Auggie

Gold Member

Offline

The Bull Moose

Posts: 8571

The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention...
Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:19pm

The first 75% of the Quran: that is, based on a chronological ordering of the Quran, doesn't mention Muhammad, nor is there any mention of the Prophet.

In the Meccan verses, God (supposedly) speaks; but then in the Medinan era, there are phrases which say 'obey God and the Prophet...' but the latter concept of 'obeying Muhammad is fundamentally at odds with the first 3/4 of the Quran. Also, the Quran's message is not about 'obeying Muhammad' but obeying God.

Here's an interesting question: why was Muhammad not mentioned in the first 3/4's of the Quran, and then all of sudden, appeared?

Back to top

The Progressive President

IP Logged

freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49400 At my desk.	Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention... Reply #1 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:29pm That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain.
Back to top	People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words. IP Logged

Auggie

Gold Member

Offline

The Bull Moose

Posts: 8571

Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention...
Reply #2 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:37pm

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:29pm:

That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain.

Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad.

Back to top

The Progressive President

IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 139295
Gender: male

Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention...
Reply #3 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:54pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:37pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:29pm:

That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain.

Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad.

Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people.

You don't believe that, do you?

Back to top

IP Logged

Auggie

Gold Member

Offline

The Bull Moose

Posts: 8571

Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention...
Reply #4 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:37pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:29pm:

That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain.

Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad.

Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people.

You don't believe that, do you?

The point isn't whether or not they're real. The point is that the 'story' told about them includes their name and their origins.

Back to top

The Progressive President

IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 139295
Gender: male

Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention...
Reply #5 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:11pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:37pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:29pm:

That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain.

Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad.

Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people.

You don't believe that, do you?

The point isn't whether or not they're real. The point is that the 'story' told about them includes their name and their origins.

There are no rules in literature.

Have you read many books?

Back to top

IP Logged

Auggie

Gold Member

Offline

The Bull Moose

Posts: 8571

Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention...
Reply #6 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:14pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:37pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:29pm:

That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain.

Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad.

Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people.

You don't believe that, do you?

The point isn't whether or not they're real. The point is that the 'story' told about them includes their name and their origins.

There are no rules in literature.

Have you read many books?

Which is precisely my point: it's just a book. The idea that a book is inerrant is fundamentally flawed, because it assumes that human beings are perfect.

Back to top

The Progressive President

IP Logged

Auggie

Gold Member

Offline

The Bull Moose

Posts: 8571

Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention...
Reply #7 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:15pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:37pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:29pm:

That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain.

Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad.

Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people.

You don't believe that, do you?

The point isn't whether or not they're real. The point is that the 'story' told about them includes their name and their origins.

There are no rules in literature.

Have you read many books?

Can I ask: what if the significance of Abraham Lincoln wearing a gas mask?

Back to top

The Progressive President

IP Logged

greggerypeccary

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 139295
Gender: male

Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention...
Reply #8 - Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 7:11pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:15pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 6:11pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:54pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:37pm:

freediver wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:29pm:

That would probably be about the time that Muhammed decided to cash in on his religious following for political gain.

Isn't it interesting though? In the other Abrahamic faiths, the prophets are all named early on, including birth stories. The Quran makes no such mention early on, and even talks about Moses and Jesus without even mentioning Muhammad.

Yes, it may be interesting, but you're assuming that the characters you've mentioned were real people.

You don't believe that, do you?

The point isn't whether or not they're real. The point is that the 'story' told about them includes their name and their origins.

There are no rules in literature.

Have you read many books?

Can I ask: what if the significance of Abraham Lincoln wearing a gas mask?

No idea.

I just liked the look of it.

I think I'll change it again.

Back to top

IP Logged

issuevoter

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 9200
The Great State of Mind
Gender: male

Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention...
Reply #9 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 9:51pm

Muzlims believe the Koran was verbally revealed by God to Muhammad through the angel Gabriel gradually over a period of approximately 23 years, concluding in the year of his death. Muzlims regard the Koran as the most important miracle of Muhammad, a proof of his prophethood, and the culmination of a series of divine messages that started with the messages revealed to Adam and ended with Muhammad.

As this slight of hand was delivered by Mo, there was no necessity to mention himself, as long as mugs believed its divine origin.

The most import point here, is that to be a Muzlim you have to believe the Koran, and that Mo was God's prophet. There just is no way around it. When Muzlims pretend to be "moderate," thier honesty can be tested by whether they are prepared to denounce the Koran and the Prophet as a sham and its creator. Its a problem for them. They would have to invent a new religion.

Back to top

No political allegiance. No philosophy. No religion.

IP Logged

Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96482	Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention... Reply #10 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 10:49pm Ah yes, but does it mention terrorism? You tell me that.
Back to top	IP Logged

moses

Gold Member

Offline

Australian Politics

Posts: 6353

Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention...
Reply #11 - Mar 9^th, 2017 at 12:24pm

How do you cast terror into the hearts of people if not by acts of terror / terrorism?

qur'an 3:151. We shall cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve, because they joined others in worship with Allah, for which He had sent no authority; their abode will be the Fire and how evil is the abode of the Zalimun (polytheists and wrong-doers).

Seems pretty clear-cut muzzies shall cast terror into the hears of those who associate others with allah in worship.

Christians are supposed to be the ones who colligate allah and Christ in worship.

This was nothing more than a deliberate lie by muhammad, in order to promote terrorism, as Christian doctrine proclaims Christ as the son of Y.H.W.H., not the pagan moon god allah worshipped by muhammad.

Terrorism is an essential part of the qur'an.

Back to top

IP Logged

kemal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 574 Gender:	Re: The first 75% of the Quran doesn't even mention... Reply #12 - Mar 9^th, 2017 at 6:52pm Auggie wrote on Mar 3^rd, 2017 at 5:19pm: chronological ordering of the Quran Thats the problem, the koran is NOT in timeline order. Got It? Would have thought that our leader in chief would have pointed out that little doozy!
Back to top	Brian Ross on why Muslims kill Quote:-" It appears to be a cultural thing, rather than something they have learnt from their religion, despite what you appear to believe." IP Logged