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Lord Herbert Gold Member Offline Posts: 34441 Gender:	A wake up call from Pickering. Mar 7^th, 2017 at 7:42pm link Tonight on the news we saw the Prime Minister praising our Muslim community while pretending that Islam as an ideology and a guide for social values is as good as any other imported religion. It's time this fool educated himself.
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Reply #1 - Mar 7^th, 2017 at 9:45pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 7^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:

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Tonight on the news we saw the Prime Minister praising our Muslim community while pretending that Islam as an ideology and a guide for social values is as good as any other imported religion.

It's time this fool educated himself.

Turning on Pickering now, Herbie? Oh, dearie, dearie, me... Roll Eyes

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Re: A wake up call from Pickering.
Reply #3 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 10:38am

Grendel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 8:07am:

You argue with facts bwian not ad hom ok?

LOL! The "articl" o-pens with:

"Multiculturalism could have worked well in Australia if Islam had been taken seriously and banned as an irreconcilable cult that has no more of a place here in Australia than does the KKK."

What is there left to do but ridicule it?

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #4 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 10:41am

mothra wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 8:07am:

You argue with facts bwian not ad hom ok?

LOL! The "articl" o-pens with:

"Multiculturalism could have worked well in Australia if Islam had been taken seriously and banned as an irreconcilable cult that has no more of a place here in Australia than does the KKK."

What is there left to do but ridicule it?

Is Valkie Pickering's ghostwriter?

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Reply #5 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 12:34pm

mothra wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 8:07am:

You argue with facts bwian not ad hom ok?

LOL! The "articl" o-pens with:

"Multiculturalism could have worked well in Australia if Islam had been taken seriously and banned as an irreconcilable cult that has no more of a place here in Australia than does the KKK."

What is there left to do but ridicule it?

Argue the facts TROLL... seems you are not up to it either.

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Reply #6 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 1:11pm

mothra wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 10:38am:

Grendel wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 8:07am:

You argue with facts bwian not ad hom ok?

LOL! The "articl" o-pens with:

"Multiculturalism could have worked well in Australia if Islam had been taken seriously and banned as an irreconcilable cult that has no more of a place here in Australia than does the KKK."

What is there left to do but ridicule it?

You're in denial, and I understand your fear.

We have homosexuals, women, secularists, and liberal-progressives on this forum board all playing 'Human Shield' to any criticism of Islam.

Amazing. Simply amazing. I've heard of people digging their own graves but it's usually after someone with a gun has handed them a spade - but not with these fruit-cakes.

It must be some kind of pre-Stockholm Syndrome we're witnessing.

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Reply #7 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 1:15pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 1:11pm:

We have homosexuals, women, secularists, and liberal-progressives on this forum board all playing 'Human Shield' to any criticism of Islam.

Complete nonsense.

Sir Booby has criticised Islam.

mothra has criticised Islam.

BigOl has criticised Islam.

And I've criticised Islam.

Several times.

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Auggie Gold Member Offline The Bull Moose Posts: 8571	Re: A wake up call from Pickering. Reply #8 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 1:47pm The issue is not with Islam, but with Islamism. The religion of Islam is diverse and consists of many teachings and interpretations. Islamism is the desire to impose Islam as a political ideology on people. There must be a distinction.
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Reply #9 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 2:45pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

The issue is not with Islam, but with Islamism. The religion of Islam is diverse and consists of many teachings and interpretations. Islamism is the desire to impose Islam as a political ideology on people. There must be a distinction.

How do you separate the political ideology from religion with Islam?

The Quran tells muslims they cannot pick and choose what parts of the scripture they believe, this is where Islam differs from Christianity it's a package deal if you want entry into the heavenly brothel.
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So do you believe in part of the scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the day of resurrection they will be sent to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
quran.com/2/85

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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.

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Reply #10 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 3:53pm

Auggie wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

The issue is not with Islam, but with Islamism. The religion of Islam is diverse and consists of many teachings and interpretations. Islamism is the desire to impose Islam as a political ideology on people. There must be a distinction.

islam is not a religion.

it is a totalitarian cult.

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Reply #11 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 4:15pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 2:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

The issue is not with Islam, but with Islamism. The religion of Islam is diverse and consists of many teachings and interpretations. Islamism is the desire to impose Islam as a political ideology on people. There must be a distinction.

How do you separate the political ideology from religion with Islam?

The Quran tells muslims they cannot pick and choose what parts of the scripture they believe, this is where Islam differs from Christianity it's a package deal if you want entry into the heavenly brothel.
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So do you believe in part of the scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the day of resurrection they will be sent to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
quran.com/2/85

The verse you quoted was from when Muhammad was in Medina. The verses of that period are contextualized, and no longer apply to today's world. Muslims should ignore any verse that contradicts with an early Meccan.

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Reply #12 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 4:16pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

The issue is not with Islam, but with Islamism. The religion of Islam is diverse and consists of many teachings and interpretations. Islamism is the desire to impose Islam as a political ideology on people. There must be a distinction.

islam is not a religion.

it is a totalitarian cult.

The first 3/4 of the Quran says nothing about 'obeying the Prophet', then all of sudden, God changes His mind and decides to have people follow the Prophet. Really?

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Reply #13 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 5:21pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 2:45pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

The issue is not with Islam, but with Islamism. The religion of Islam is diverse and consists of many teachings and interpretations. Islamism is the desire to impose Islam as a political ideology on people. There must be a distinction.

How do you separate the political ideology from religion with Islam?

The Quran tells muslims they cannot pick and choose what parts of the scripture they believe, this is where Islam differs from Christianity it's a package deal if you want entry into the heavenly brothel.
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So do you believe in part of the scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the day of resurrection they will be sent to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do.
quran.com/2/85

Very correct.

Islam does not allow for 'interpretations', modifying with upgradings, etc as Christianity does. Therein lies its danger.

The Koran is composed of the literal Will/Word of Allah as spoken through his prophet.

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Re: A wake up call from Pickering.
Reply #14 - Mar 8^th, 2017 at 5:45pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 3:53pm:

Auggie wrote on Mar 8^th, 2017 at 1:47pm:

The issue is not with Islam, but with Islamism. The religion of Islam is diverse and consists of many teachings and interpretations. Islamism is the desire to impose Islam as a political ideology on people. There must be a distinction.

islam is not a religion.

it is a totalitarian cult.

So is Christianity, so is Hinduism, so is Buddhism, so is...

All religions fit under that rather broad definition. Islam is no different from them. I am unsure why you keep picking on Islam and Muslims. The overwhelming majority of Muslims are peaceful and tolerant, some even more so than many Christians/Hindus/Buddhists. There are loons in all religions. What we need to do is learn to tolerate the moderates and help them to control the extremists... Roll Eyes

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