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how many Muslims are dangerous fanatics?
Mar 12th, 2017 at 8:58am
 
Thanks Karnal for letting us know just how big this "tiny minority" is:

Karnal wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 5:19pm:
But in South Asia and the Middle East and North Africa, medians of more than half back both severe criminal punishments and the death penalty for Muslims who renounce their faith.


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http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/30/the-worlds-muslims-religion-politics-society-overview/

When Muslims around the world say they want sharia to be the law of the land, what role do they envision for religious law in their country? First, many, but by no means all, supporters of sharia believe the law of Islam should apply only to Muslims. In addition, those who favor Islamic law tend to be most comfortable with its application to questions of family and property. In some regions, fewer back the imposition of severe punishments in criminal cases, such as cutting off the hands of thieves – an area of sharia known in Arabic as hudud. But in South Asia and the Middle East and North Africa, medians of more than half back both severe criminal punishments and the death penalty for Muslims who renounce their faith.

Cutting off people's hands:

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Re: how many Muslims are dangerous fanatics?
Reply #1 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 9:29am
 
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 11th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Setanta wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:17am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 10th, 2017 at 12:15am:
Gordon wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 8:50am:
Brian Ross wrote on Mar 9th, 2017 at 12:18am:
How does, "Islamic Group" get translated in your mind, Gordon to "Islamists"?   You do realise, as I am sure you do, that "Islamists" are very different to Islamic Groups.   You're an Islamophobe, aren't you, Gordon?   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Brian support HuT.
At least your views are out in the open now.


"Islamic Groups"  are very different to "Islamist groups", Gordon.   Obviously your Islamophobia has blinded you to reality.    Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


May I ask you what an Islamist is?

edit: Not you Yadda, Brian.



"Islamist" is a militant or fundamentalist follower of Islam, Setanta.    Whether that person's view is inimical to Western views is up to what that person believes and how far they are willing to carry that belief to fruitition.  Rather as a "Christian Fundamentalist" might be someone who believes in the glory and justification of The Bible.   What they do with that belief determines if they engage in Terrorism or just protest.

"Islamic Groups" are simply groups of Muslims who have banded together to present their views on a particular issue.   They maybe influenced by their beliefs in Islam but not entirely.  They are more moderate than Islamists.

Personally, I have a scale (in reverse order):

Muslims
Islamic Groups
Salafists
Islamists
Terrorists

Ordinary Muslims come at the lower end of the scale, ranging up to Terrorists.   I don't doubt there are many other groups in their, mixed in, as well.


You left out "tiny minority" Brian.
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Reply #2 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:25am
 
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Re: how many Muslims are dangerous fanatics?
Reply #3 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:31am
 
How did you find the Pew survey, FD? We've been looking for this all week.

Can you find the bit with taqiyya, please? I can't seem to find it.
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Re: how many Muslims are dangerous fanatics?
Reply #4 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:35am
 
Its a fair question, but it should not be used to allow Muzlims to condone atrocities in the private. You have to remember, whether committing an atrocity or defending Mohamed's instructions to commit atrocities, they all believe the same thing when it comes to we infidels.

As this fellow indicates, Muzlims have an obligation to the Koran. Sure, they'll cherry pick it when faced with Western public opinion, but get one of them to actually swear that the Koran and Mohamed are fallible. The only way the can do that is by lying. Trust Muzlims at your peril.

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Reply #5 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:40am
 
Karnal wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:31am:
Can you find the bit with taqiyya, please? I can't seem to find it.


Taqiyya is a shia concept it doesn't apply to sunnis, a bit like Mutah and Misyar marriages get you terms right and you can win 72 houris and a everlasting erection to service them.

The sunni are allowed to lie under 3 circumstances, to their wives, to make peace and at time of war, the non muslim lands are known as Dar al Harb which is Land of war.

Sunni verse-
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He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things,is not a liar.
Sunnah.com/bukhari/53/3





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Re: how many Muslims are dangerous fanatics?
Reply #6 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:41am
 
Can a muslim who thinks muslims who leave Islam should have their heads chopped of be considered moderate?

Can a muslim who thinks gays should be executed be considered moderate?

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Reply #7 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:46am
 
Thanks, Barron, and by telling porkies to make peace, your Muselman means war, no?

Sort of the opposite of how we do it here.

There you go, FD, all those Muslims rejecting violence in the Pew Survey must be telling fibs.

As Barron's showed, they're trying to make peace.

Sorry, I mean war. I forget now.

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Reply #8 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
Really, we've moved on from pretending 'fanatics' means people doing/thinking actual extremist things.

We're now at the stage where a 'fanatic' is casually accepted as a muslim who merely takes the Quran seriously as the word of God. Dear old Pauline is spruiking this meme now. That way we dispense with that annoying little inconvenience of having to concede the muslim fanatics are only a minority.
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Reply #9 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:29pm
 
Well its hard to tell isn't it but using Yemeny standards all those Muslims with beards and wives dressed in tents would be a good start....
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Re: how many Muslims are dangerous fanatics?
Reply #10 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:32pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Really, we've moved on from pretending 'fanatics' means people doing/thinking actual extremist things.

We're now at the stage where a 'fanatic' is casually accepted as a muslim who merely takes the Quran seriously as the word of God.



It's a pretty fanatical, out-there, mind-f***d thing to believe that the Koran is the eternal, unalterable and final word of god. There is no room for sanity in that belief. The doctrine is dripping with evidently Mohammed-made hyperbole and nonsense so if you actually believe it you are clearly a fanatic.



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Re: how many Muslims are dangerous fanatics?
Reply #11 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:42pm
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:40am:
Karnal wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 11:31am:
Can you find the bit with taqiyya, please? I can't seem to find it.


Taqiyya is a shia concept it doesn't apply to sunnis, a bit like Mutah and Misyar marriages get you terms right and you can win 72 houris and a everlasting erection to service them.

The sunni are allowed to lie under 3 circumstances, to their wives, to make peace and at time of war, the non muslim lands are known as Dar al Harb which is Land of war.

Sunni verse-
Quote:
He who makes peace between the people by inventing good information or saying good things,is not a liar.
Sunnah.com/bukhari/53/3







Abu was a Sunni. He believed that deception was a natural part of warfare (not just to make peace), and that the west had been waging war on the Muslim world for a century.

polite_gandalf wrote on Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:21pm:
Really, we've moved on from pretending 'fanatics' means people doing/thinking actual extremist things.

We're now at the stage where a 'fanatic' is casually accepted as a muslim who merely takes the Quran seriously as the word of God. Dear old Pauline is spruiking this meme now. That way we dispense with that annoying little inconvenience of having to concede the muslim fanatics are only a minority.


A billion Muslims can't be wrong, right?

You forgot to say 'tiny'.
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Re: how many Muslims are dangerous fanatics?
Reply #12 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 12:55pm
 


IMO, there is no difference, in practical terms, between a 'moslem' [a follower of ISLAM], and a member of ISIS [a follower of ISLAM], a member of Boko Haram [a follower of ISLAM], a member of Al Shabab [a follower of ISLAM],          or gandalf [a follower of ISLAM].


The truth is, that at any moment, any moslem can decide that this is the instant that he wants a taste of Allah's bordello in the sky.


Moslems ?

A moslem is a follower of ISLAM.       < -------- dictionary definition.

And ISLAM teaches the moslem, that all disbelievers are the enemies of Allah.     [Koran 2.98]

And ISLAMIC religious doctrine teaches, that the moslem who fights and kills an enemy of Allah, is a virtuous and good moslem.     [Koran 9.111]



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'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, doing 'good works' in Syria/Iraq.



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'Whosoever dies without participating in an expedition (jihad) nor having the intention to do so, dies on a branch of hypocrisy,'


- 'Aussie' EX-moslem, Mohamed Elomar, quoting ISLAMIC scripture.



Google;
"Allah's Messenger said" "Whosoever dies without participating"






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"....the death of those who are killed for the cause of God gives more impetus to the cause, which continues to thrive on their blood."



ISLAMIC religious scholar, Sayyid Qutb




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Moslems, are a group of people who follow a 'religion' [i.e. a death cult called ISLAM] which teaches the moslem that killing disbelievers is a wholly 'lawful' act.

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And that is how ISLAM is 'priming' the psyche, of every moslem,        who we allow to live among us !!!


It can be 'fun' to allow people like moslems to live among us !

/sarc off



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Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar outside Parramatta police headquarters


QUESTION;
What 'set off' Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar on that fateful day, to decide to murder Australian Curtis Cheng in Parramatta, NSW ???

ANSWER;
ONLY ALLAH KNOWS!



n.b.
ISLAMIC culture encouraged Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar, to murder Australian Curtis Cheng.



Farhad Khalil Mohammad Jabar was inspired by ISLAM's imperative, which urged him TO KILL THE ENEMIES OF ALLAH.




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Reply #13 - Mar 12th, 2017 at 2:27pm
 
How many?
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