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Reply #105 - Mar 21st, 2017 at 8:34pm
 
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Effendi.....I don't see it as 'Jew slaughtering,' at all


Even if they were Jews, and they were slaughtered? This sounds a lot like Gandalf with his "it's OK so long as you don't use the phrase treacherous Jews" BS.

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Its been happening in the Land of Arabs for centuries.


Prior to Muhammad going on his murderous rampage, Jews, Christians and various pagan groups coexisted on the Arabian peninsula without even needing centralised government. Even individual cities lacked centralised government. Muhammad turned this multicultural society in a monocultural hell in the span of a few decades.

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Seems to me that this is just another 'Jew victim' story


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Reply #106 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 2:44pm
 
On the subject of deliberate slaughter of innocent human beings, the leftards of the world have a despicable record.

over 76 million in the People’s Republic of China

over 20 million in the Soviet Union

over 2 million in Cambodia

over 2 million in North Korea

over 1.7 million in Africa

over 1 million in the Communist states of Eastern Europe

over 1 million in Vietnam

The self righteous leftards with their inherent hatred of Jews, Christians, the west (in particular America)  are  natural born bum boys for the muslims,
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Reply #107 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 3:53pm
 
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Even if they were Jews, and they were slaughtered?


What, according to the myth you perpetuate, were they slaughtered for?  Being Jewish per se?
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Reply #108 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 3:59pm
 
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Reply #109 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 4:02pm
 
Unforgiven wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 3:59pm:
Is Freediver sharing his Shekel bounty?



Not with me, he ain't!
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Reply #110 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:25pm
 
Aussie wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 3:53pm:
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Even if they were Jews, and they were slaughtered?


What, according to the myth you perpetuate, were they slaughtered for?  Being Jewish per se?


According to Gandalf, for being a mindless collective of treacherous Jews.

According to me, Muhammad sacrificed them in his quest for power.

Which do you think is more plausible?
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Reply #111 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:35pm
 
This is progress, Effendi.  So, he massacred them for power...not because they were Jewish, or Muslim or Calathumpian.

Fantastic!

From here on, we shall speak no more of Jews being part of this alleged massacre which exists only in the Mind of Mythsellers.
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Reply #112 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:55pm
 
Muhammad addressed them as "O Jews" when he started threatening them with violence if they don't convert to Islam.

According to Gandalf, Muhammad "learnt his lesson" when he let the other two tribes of Jews escape Medina with their life and did not want to repeat the error when clearing out the last nest of them.
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Reply #113 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 8:04pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 7:55pm:
Muhammad addressed them as "O Jews" when he started threatening them with violence if they don't convert to Islam.

According to Gandalf, Muhammad "learnt his lesson" when he let the other two tribes of Jews escape Medina with their life and did not want to repeat the error when clearing out the last nest of them.


Is that you trying to weazel out of this clear response:

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According to me, Muhammad sacrificed them in his quest for power.


.....to this question:

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What, according to the myth you perpetuate, were they slaughtered for?  Being Jewish per se?



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Reply #114 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 8:14pm
 
Jews are offered special protection under Islam. They are only slaughtered in the interests of establishing a nascent Islamic state.

Pagans on the other hand were slaughtered merely for being pagans.
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Reply #115 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 9:10pm
 
Okay....Take Two!

What, according to the myth you perpetuate, were they slaughtered for?  Being Jewish per se?
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Reply #116 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 9:20pm
 
Being Jewish was central to the problem that Muhammad saw. The Jews were more reluctant to convert to Islam. They mocked Muhammad. Muhammad had expected them to be natural allies. He thought of himself as "their" profit, and often told them so, and obviously had issues with their rejection. Being large groups, their existence in Medina posed a threat to his quest for power. Being three groups who shared a religion, there was a risk they would unite against him - hence slaughtering the third tribe once he had kicked out the other two. They tended to have closer (trade) ties to Mecca and did not share with Muhammad or the pagans allied with him an animosity towards Mecca. Given that Muhammad was funding his rise to power by robbing Meccan caravans, that was inevitably going to cause problems also. Muhammad let small, politically insignificant groups of Jews remain, but he instructed his successors to ethnically cleanse the whole area of non-Muslims, which happened shortly after his death.

After Medina, the pagans tended to cop it even worse than the Jews.
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Reply #117 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 9:30pm
 
Take Three!

What, Effendi, according to the myth you perpetuate, were they slaughtered for?  Being Jewish per se?
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Reply #118 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 9:48pm
 
freediver wrote on Mar 22nd, 2017 at 9:20pm:
Being Jewish was central to the problem that Muhammad saw. The Jews were more reluctant to convert to Islam. They mocked Muhammad. Muhammad had expected them to be natural allies. He thought of himself as "their" profit, and often told them so, and obviously had issues with their rejection. Being large groups, their existence in Medina posed a threat to his quest for power. Being three groups who shared a religion, there was a risk they would unite against him - hence slaughtering the third tribe once he had kicked out the other two. They tended to have closer (trade) ties to Mecca and did not share with Muhammad or the pagans allied with him an animosity towards Mecca. Given that Muhammad was funding his rise to power by robbing Meccan caravans, that was inevitably going to cause problems also. Muhammad let small, politically insignificant groups of Jews remain, but he instructed his successors to ethnically cleanse the whole area of non-Muslims, which happened shortly after his death.

After Medina, the pagans tended to cop it even worse than the Jews.


And what an actual historian says...

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The continuing presence of at least a few Jews in Medina
is an argument against the view sometimes put forward by
European scholars that in the second year after the Hijrah
Muhammad adopted a policy of clearing all Jews out of
Medina just because they were Jews, and that he carried out
this policy with ever-increasing severity. It was not
Muhammad's way to have policies of this kind. He had a
balanced view of the fundamentals of the contemporary
situation and of his long-term aims, and in the light of this he
moulded his day-to-day plans in accordance with the changing
factors in current events. The occasions of his attacks
on the first two Jewish clans were no more than occasions ;
but there were also deep underlying reasons. The Jews in
general by their verbal criticisms of the Qur'anic revelation
were trying to undermine the foundation of the whole
Islamic community ; and . they were also giving political
support to Muhammad's enemies and to opponents such as the
Hypocrites. In so far as the Jews abandoned these forms of
hostile activity Muhammad allowed them to live in Medina
unmolested.


Montgommery Watt, Muhammad, Prophet and Statesman.
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Reply #119 - Mar 22nd, 2017 at 9:54pm
 
I just don't buy the Muslim -v- Jew part of Effendi's position.  If this thing ever happened at all, I am far more likely to view it as military action against a political opponent, than a War of (between) Religion (s.)
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