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Reply #15 - Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:39pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.


51% of all revenue raised from minerals should go to the govt. Alla Norway!
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Reply #16 - Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:55pm
 
John Smith wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:39pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.


51% of all revenue raised from minerals should go to the govt. Alla Norway!


You de man, John.

I totally agree.

I'm all for capitalism and the profit motive but not when a small group of people driven by greed own almost all of the nation's natural assets. 

And then we have the idiots who run NSW legislating to allow 50% of all investment properties to be bought by foreign nationals.

Like Britain, Australia is run by idiots.
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Reply #17 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:33pm
 
I totally agree Lord Herbert. Everything from power to water should be nationalised and protected. And also bans should be in place to prevent foreign nationals owning property in Australia you know..., a bit like it is in China for instance Cheesy
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Reply #18 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:42pm
 
red baron wrote on Mar 16th, 2017 at 1:33pm:
I totally agree Lord Herbert. Everything from power to water should be nationalised and protected. And also bans should be in place to prevent foreign nationals owning property in Australia you know..., a bit like it is in China for instance Cheesy


Red Baron turns pinko.

Abandons capitalism now Red Baron is on welfare.
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Reply #19 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 2:40pm
 
Ha ha ha ha Unforgiven. I haven't turned anything, after all what I suggested is right in line with what Donald Trump is doing right now in America. That is he is telling the world to go f....k itself and concentrating on looking after the U.S.A. I can't see a single thing wrong with that. After all China has been doing it for years, reaming the world that is.


Too bad the only single Politician who has the guts to do that here, is Pauline Hansen but alas she is no Donald Trump and wasn't exactly at the head of the queue when the grey matter was being handed out.....
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Reply #20 - Mar 16th, 2017 at 6:27pm
 
Read it and weep. Dig deep for energy costs. It's going to hurt.

Australians should stop whining and come up with the money for gas field exploration and development, as well as the money for long distance pipelines to get the gas to large cities.

When the North Rankin gas field was implemented, the publicity called it "the loneliest gas in the world".

It would not have been developed if not for long term LNG supply contracts with Japan.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-03-13/residents-most-likely-to-bear-cost-of-gas-...

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Gas shortage: 'Worst fears being realised' as residents most likely to bear cost of shortage
By business reporter Thuy Ong
Updated Wed at 6:29am

Australia's "worst fears are being realised" when it comes to gas supply, and the market is in crisis with residents most likely to bear the costs, Australian Competition and Consumer Commission (ACCC) chairman Rod Sims has said in a speech to a gas conference.

Key points:

The ACCC says the outlook for gas supply is worse than it was a year ago
Australia is home to some of the largest gas deposits in the world but a gas bonanza in Asia has led to shortages at home
ACCC chairman Rod Sims says the industry had not expected Victoria to ban onshore gas exploration and production until 2020
The scarcity of available gas has seen prices jump up to four times above historic levels.

The ACCC said there were three main factors affecting the east coast's gas supply: the introduction of LNG exports which tripled the demand for gas, oil prices falling faster than forecast, and regulatory uncertainty that has significantly limited or delayed gas supply.

"The outlook for gas supply is now even worse than it was a year ago, indeed, our worst fears are being realised," Mr Sims said.
"At best, how can these companies invest and plan such high and uncertain gas prices and with considerable supply uncertainty. At worst, plants will close and jobs will be lost purely as a result of the current gas crisis."

The ACCC said it had observed a year ago that wholesale gas prices made up 15 to 30 per cent of total residential gas bills and household bills would increase by 5 per cent in NSW and 11 per cent in Victoria, if wholesale gas prices increased by $2 a gigajoule (GJ).

But, the ACCC now says
wholesale gas prices have, or will increase by many times that amount
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World's biggest gas exporter

Australia is home to some of the largest gas deposits in the world, but a $200 billion investment in liquefaction and shipping facilities has seen it transformed into the world's biggest gas exporter.

Three massive plants at Curtis Island are contracted to supply Asia with gas, and an unintended consequence of the gas bonanza has been to create shortages at home.

Research by forecasters BIS Oxford Economics and commissioned by the AWU suggests that without affordable and reliable gas, one in five heavy manufacturers will close by 2021, with the loss of 235,000 jobs.

Currently, there are seven, but soon to be 10, export plants liquefying gas and shipping it offshore, and recent research has found the country needs to lift its total energy output by 50 per cent just to meet its expected exports in 2020.

"Ordinarily, higher gas prices would provide producers an incentive to increase investment in exploration and development activities," Mr Sims said.

"However, the east coast gas market was caught in a 'clash of cycles', with historically high domestic gas prices coinciding with falling international oil prices."

The ACCC said LNG gas developers fell into a trap of assuming $100+ oil prices would continue, rather than planning an assumption of the long-run average of prices around $55.

Mr Sims said regulatory uncertainty delayed or stopped development, and that the industry had not expected Victoria to ban all onshore gas exploration and production until 2020. Victoria implemented the policy on environmental and social considerations.

Production forecasts indicated that from the start of the year, meeting expected demand would require the development of new reserves, the ACCC said.

"Australia has enormous gas resources; gas availability is clearly not the issue," he said.
"If I was providing private advice to the LNG producers, I would say they would be well advised to support the domestic market as much as they can at this critical time.

"They could, for example, weigh carefully their willingness to sell gas on the LNG spot markets above meeting their contractual commitments. Alternatively, they could develop additional gas for the domestic market."
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Reply #21 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.



All of the resources are owned by the people genius.

Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question.

If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere.

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Reply #22 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 2:58pm
 
Already public property has been sold off. Mike Baird sold the Electricity Grid then the prick bailed out for a multi million dollar job in Private Banking

We are going to pay and and pay for his folly but the people of New South Wales had a chance to avert it when we went to the polls but the donkeys could only see the multi billion dollar pay day that selling it off involved

Problems is when Governments have multi billion dollar once in a generation incomes, they go out and spend it like legless sailors. We now have a Grid that is in private hands and we can look forward to the blackouts that Victoria experience because the Grid is not maintained like it was when in public hands

We have ourselves to blame
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Reply #23 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:10pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.


X2.........well said Herbie.............. Cool
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Reply #24 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:16pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
All of the resources are owned by the people genius.


You're brain washed...........LOL.......... Grin

Do the people reap 100% of the profits.........??

OR just a few greedy men who's belly is a bottomless pit....!!

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Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question.


Have you forgotten the days when our government owned all the utilities, our telecommunications, our own bank (outlawed today) and there was employment other than private enterprise.

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If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere.


RUBBISH.............It's like now that Mal has announced Snowy Hydro mk.2.

Once its up and running all payed for by the tax payer, the oligarchy will come along and snap it up.

There's a reason they were called PUBLIC ASSETS, its because they were payed for by the tax payer.

In Victoria Jeff Kennett sold them of as though his grand papa left them to him in his will.

All under the auspices that there would be competition and lower prices.

Nothing could be further from the truth........... Angry
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Reply #25 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:23pm
 
Ajax wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:16pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
All of the resources are owned by the people genius.


You're brain washed...........LOL.......... Grin

Do the people reap 100% of the profits.........??

OR just a few greedy men who's belly is a bottomless pit....!!

Quote:
Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question.


Have you forgotten the days when our government owned all the utilities, our telecommunications, our own bank (outlawed today) and there was employment other than private enterprise.

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If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere.


RUBBISH.............It's like now that Mal has announced Snowy Hydro mk.2.

Once its up and running all payed for by the tax payer, the oligarchy will come along and snap it up.

There's a reason they were called PUBLIC ASSETS, its because they were payed for by the tax payer.

In Victoria Jeff Kennett sold them of as though his grand papa left them to him in his will.

All under the auspices that there would be competition and lower prices.

Nothing could be further from the truth........... Angry



You have no idea about resources do you?

Your post is a convoluted diatribe of drivel and misinformation.


Have another go and ONLY talk about resources, not everything else but resources; because that is what this whole thread is about.

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Reply #26 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:28pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:23pm:
You have no idea about resources do you?

Your post is a convoluted diatribe of drivel and misinformation.


Have another go and ONLY talk about resources, not everything else but resources; because that is what this whole thread is about.



Ok you go on believing Milton Friedman's dribble.....LOL
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Reply #27 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm
 
Be it state or feds we need to legislate a home reserve of gas at the same rate as export.

More important these pr1cks should be paying tax  PRRT/MRRT or whatever it is called.

FFS even Japan is taxing our gas imported to them and these mob of fools are letting these companies get off scott free!

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Reply #28 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:53pm
 
Redmond Neck wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:49pm:
Be it state or feds we need to legislate a home reserve of gas at the same rate as export.

More important these pr1cks should be paying tax  PRRT/MRRT or whatever it is called.

FFS even Japan is taxing our gas imported to them and these mob of fools are letting these companies get off scott free!

GRRRRR   Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry (Red doing a cods!)


Are you crazy..........??!!

We should get it dirt cheap...........its ours FFS.........!!
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Reply #29 - Mar 17th, 2017 at 3:54pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Mar 17th, 2017 at 1:00pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on Mar 15th, 2017 at 7:38pm:
All essential commodities and resources should be nationalised and owned by the people through the auspices of the government.

Period.



All of the resources are owned by the people genius.

Should they be sold to private enterprise who have the capacity to extract, process and sell those commodities is the question.

If the answer is no, then welcome to life long poverty, because those resources will be going nowhere.



Poverty?  Poverty? 

Are you friggin mad?

They pay no tax on it now you feerrkin iriot!

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