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Apr 11th, 2017 at 12:21pm
 
These People Are Showing That Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights


TUNIS, Tunisia — A group of 30 imams and Islamic scholars, both men and women, recently gathered around a table to do something historic. Our goal is to find a better way forward for women and girls and to inoculate radicalism in a Muslim country that has, for hundreds of years, been a model progressive nation.

Meanwhile, in Burundi, a group of 26 imams — in an organization called Alliance of Imams of the North Corridor for Humanitarian Development (AICNDH) — is striving to defend the rights of women and girls in a country now consumed with civil strife. In various mosques across the northern part of the country, these imams recently delivered 12 khutbahs, or speeches, on women’s rights in Islam. AICNDH, in partnership with Muslims for Progressive Values, will be hosting a series of conferences at universities and schools in Burundi over the coming months, also on Muslim women’s rights.

Together, these imams are the brave #ImamsForShe: religious and lay leaders, Islamic scholars, men and women. They debunk the misogynistic interpretation of Islam. They fight against the violation of the rights of women and girls in the Muslim world and beyond. These are the imams we need to empower and mobilize.

For many years in our Muslim communities, we have heard from too many hate-mongering imams, whose Wahhabi theology is radical, racist and supremacist. Their interpretation of Islam is based on what “Sharia law” dictates. But Sharia law is a man-made construct. Sharia law is a mash-up of medieval, misogynistic political leaders’ extrapolation of the Quran, pre-Islamic norms, cultural norms of the day and hadiths (secondary texts of what Prophet Muhammad supposedly said and did, compiled by men more than 100 years after his death).

Instead of challenging these false “truths,” the American mainstream media popularizes them, like when the Islamist imam Anjem Choudary was featured on CBS in a “60 Minutes” episode; he is also a favorite of Fox News. The ex-Muslim Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s propagation of Islamist theology makes her complicit as well, and she is popular on media outlets from the right to left, including NPR.

Less visible in the public discourse is another set of imams who have an inclusive worldview. Far too often, they are shut out by Muslim communities, slandered for challenging the misogynistic interpretations of the faith and, in some instances, killed by radicals.

Muslims for Progressive Values is a grassroots, faith-based human rights organization. For years we have been in search of these inclusive imams. We have been elated to partner with them, but we’ve also discovered that they recoil in fear at the thought of going public with their views.

Borrowing from the United Nations Women’s #HeForShe campaign, promoted by actress Emma Watson, we designed a new campaign called #ImamsForShe. We need to counter the domination of Islamist imams in our societies with #ImamsForShe and to actually improve the lives of all human beings, particularly women.

In March of last year in New York, at the U.N. Commission on the Status of Women session, we launched the campaign to a packed room of diplomats and non-governmental organizations hungry for #ImamsForShe to positively affect real lives on the ground. We reached 125,000 people on social media, were featured on Voices of New York, written up in a Danish newspaper, praised and promoted by the minister for education, culture and science in The Netherlands and, most importantly, endorsed and championed by imams and human rights defenders of Muslim heritage.

On March 23, we will take this initiative to the next level with a workshop that will pair up imams from various Muslim backgrounds with secular women’s rights defenders at the U.N.’s 60th session of the Commission on the Status of Women in New York.

The #ImamsForShe campaign is meant to empower women to educate themselves about their rights in Islam so that no mullah or husband can deprive them or their daughters of their right to decide whom they choose to marry. These imams put forward an uplifting, inclusive and compassionate expression of Islam. They challenge female genital mutilation, child marriages, male “guardianship” and the death sentence of daughters who supposedly dishonor the family name.

Imams in the Muslim world are, for the most part, highly regarded. It is a hierarchical system that is not going to disappear. But with that status of authority comes great responsibility. That is why working within that system is necessary if we are to positively affect people’s lives. We need #ImamsForShe to counter radicalism with the same conviction as the hate-mongering imams.

A Pew Forum report last year on world religions states that by the year 2050, the world Muslim population will bump up against the Christian world population. What sort of adherents to Islam should we hope for? The Islamist ones who have destroyed historical sites, churches, mosques and have enslaved girls and pushed gays off tall buildings? Or Muslims with an inclusive worldview?

The choice is clear.

High Commissioner Zeid Ra’ad Al-Hussein put it perfectly: “We must persevere together until we bend the course of humanity’s future to a destination more hopeful and enlightened, in which human decency is the only currency of human interaction.”

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You are a bloody joke!

"Islam........Women's Rights"

Have you been on the plonk with Cods?

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Reply #3 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 12:42pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
You are a bloody joke!

"Islam........Women's Rights"

Have you been on the plonk with Cods?

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Didn't read the article i take it.

No surprises.
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Reply #4 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 12:53pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
You are a bloody joke!

"Islam........Women's Rights"

Have you been on the plonk with Cods?

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If muslims want it - why not?

These last couple of weeks I have learned a great deal about the power of self delusion. By somehow arguing that 1 Corinthians 10 is not really about compelling women to wear the veil, and to assert their inferior and subservient status to men, FD has demonstrated an extraordinary ability to not only defy what is so clearly written in front of him, but to also reject every single scholarly translation of it.

While it makes me flabbergasted on the one hand, it should also be admired that such amazing feats of mental gymnastics can be achieved.

What needs to be acknowledged here is that christianity - at least in the western world - has become quite progressive on matters related to women and equal rights. Yet here we see in Paul's letters (not just 1 Corinthians 10, there are several others), clear commands to subjugate women and make them subservient to men. FD is not even a christian, yet nonetheless throws himself head first into bible apologism. One can only imagine the sheer will power required of an actual Christian to explain away all the misogyny in their holy book. But power to them I say. Good for them for wanting to bring their scriptures into the 21st century.

As for Islam, I can assure you it is far easier to rationalise the Quran into something that is compatible with Women's rights than it is the bible. So theologically, there really shouldn't be a problem doing it. If it can be done in christianity, it can certainly be done in Islam.
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Reply #5 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 1:05pm
 
Fuzzball wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
You are a bloody joke!

"Islam........Women's Rights"

Have you been on the plonk with Cods?

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No. no you can see women's rights in action in some of the great muslim countries around the world like saudi arabia, and north africa.


Their behaviour is only slightly more civil than fkking chimps.




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Reply #6 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 1:07pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 1:05pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
You are a bloody joke!

"Islam........Women's Rights"

Have you been on the plonk with Cods?

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin



No. no you can see women's rights in action in some of the great muslim countries around the world like saudi arabia, and north africa.


Their behaviour is only slightly more civil than fkking chimps.






Another one who didn't read the article, just had a little reaction.
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Reply #7 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 1:08pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 12:53pm:
Fuzzball wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 12:26pm:
You are a bloody joke!

"Islam........Women's Rights"

Have you been on the plonk with Cods?

Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin


If muslims want it - why not?

These last couple of weeks I have learned a great deal about the power of self delusion. By somehow arguing that 1 Corinthians 10 is not really about compelling women to wear the veil, and to assert their inferior and subservient status to men, FD has demonstrated an extraordinary ability to not only defy what is so clearly written in front of him, but to also reject every single scholarly translation of it.

While it makes me flabbergasted on the one hand, it should also be admired that such amazing feats of mental gymnastics can be achieved.

What needs to be acknowledged here is that christianity - at least in the western world - has become quite progressive on matters related to women and equal rights. Yet here we see in Paul's letters (not just 1 Corinthians 10, there are several others), clear commands to subjugate women and make them subservient to men. FD is not even a christian, yet nonetheless throws himself head first into bible apologism. One can only imagine the sheer will power required of an actual Christian to explain away all the misogyny in their holy book. But power to them I say. Good for them for wanting to bring their scriptures into the 21st century.

As for Islam, I can assure you it is far easier to rationalise the Quran into something that is compatible with Women's rights than it is the bible. So theologically, there really shouldn't be a problem doing it. If it can be done in christianity, it can certainly be done in Islam.




No adult cares what any backward religion has to say about anything, all fairy tales are based on lies and delusions.

The only way religious cretins will evolve, is when the accept they have been deluded and everything they believe is wrong.


Until then they are be treat an intellectually deficient.


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Reply #8 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 1:40pm
 
75% of all Muslims are Moderate & Peaceful.......Most Muslims are therefore not trying to hurt or overthrow Western Civilizations & Governments.

Sounds all sorts of warm & rosy........Right?

Well, lets look at the big picture.......

1. How many Muslims are there in the World?

2. How many Muslims are left in the 'other' 25%??

3. Who makes up that other 25% of Muslims???

Let's hear it from someone that actually knows first hand:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MUZ8QIrjRo



1. 1,200,000,000  to  1,600,000,000   +/- 1.6 billion

2.    180,000,000  to  400,000,000      +/- 400 Million

3. Radical Islam, Muslims that are dedicated to the destruction & annihilation of Western Civilization & it's people.


Now, still feel all sorts of warm & rosy???




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Reply #9 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 1:44pm
 
Panther wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 1:40pm:
75% of all Muslims are Moderate & Peaceful.......Most Muslims are therefore not trying to hurt or overthrow Western Civilizations & Governments.

Sounds all sorts of warm & rosy........Right?

Well, lets look at the big picture.......

How many Muslims are there in the World?

Who makes up that other 25% of Muslims???

Let's hear it from someone that actually knows first hand:



Now, still feel all sorts of warm & rosy???







Brigitte Gabriel (Arabic: بريجيت غابرييل; born Hanan Qahwaji,[3] 21 October 1964) is an American conservative journalist, author, political lecturer, anti-Islam activist, and founder of two non-profit political organizations, the American Congress For Truth and ACT! for America. ACT! for America has been widely described as anti-Muslim.

ACT! for America
Her organization, ACT! for America, has been described by the New York Times as drawing "on three rather religious and partisan streams in American politics: evangelical Christian conservatives, hard-line defenders of Israel (both Jews and Christians) and Tea Party Republicans."[2] According to the Washington Post, the organization "touted as its “first accomplishment” its 2008 campaign to shut down a Minnesota Islamic school."[20] The Southern Poverty Law Center has the described Act for America as "the largest grassroots anti-Muslim group in the country,"[21][22] and the Council on American-Islamic Relations has described it as "one of the main sources of growing anti-Muslim bigotry in our nation".[23] According to the Guardian, the organization has been "widely identified as anti-Muslim".[23]
According to Peter Beinart of the Atlantic, "the organization has condemned cities with large Muslim populations for serving halal food in public schools. In 2013, its Houston chapter urged members to “protest” food companies that certify their meat as compliant with Islamic dietary law. ACT tries to dissuade Jews and Christians from conducting interfaith dialogue with Muslims. And in state after state, it has lobbied state legislatures and school boards to purge textbooks of references that create “an inaccurate comparison between Islam, Christianity and Judaism.”"[24]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel


Thanks for the "impartial" link, Panther.

You'll understand if i don't bother watching it, won't you?
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Reply #10 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 1:57pm
 
mothra wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 1:44pm:
Panther wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 1:40pm:
75% of all Muslims are Moderate & Peaceful.......Most Muslims are therefore not trying to hurt or overthrow Western Civilizations & Governments.

Sounds all sorts of warm & rosy........Right?

Well, lets look at the big picture.......

1. How many Muslims are there in the World?

2. How many Muslims are left in the 'other' 25%??

3. Who makes up that other 25% of Muslims???

Let's hear it from someone that actually knows first hand:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MUZ8QIrjRo



1. 1,200,000,000  to  1,600,000,000   +/- 1.6 billion

2.    180,000,000  to  400,000,000      +/- 400 Million

3. Radical Islam, Muslims that are dedicated to the destruction & annihilation of Western Civilization & it's people.


Now, still feel all sorts of warm & rosy???






Brigitte Gabriel (Arabic: بريجيت غابرييل; born Hanan Qahwaji,[3] 21 October 1964) is an American conservative journalist, author, political lecturer, anti-Islam activist, and founder of two non-profit political organizations, the American Congress For Truth and ACT! for America. ACT! for America has been widely described as anti-Muslim.

ACT! for America
Her organization, ACT! for America, has been described by the New York Times as drawing "on three rather religious and partisan streams in American politics: evangelical Christian conservatives, hard-line defenders of Israel (both Jews and Christians) and Tea Party Republicans."[2] According to the Washington Post, the organization "touted as its “first accomplishment” its 2008 campaign to shut down a Minnesota Islamic school."[20] The Southern Poverty Law Center has the described Act for America as "the largest grassroots anti-Muslim group in the country,"[21][22] and the Council on American-Islamic Relations has described it as "one of the main sources of growing anti-Muslim bigotry in our nation".[23] According to the Guardian, the organization has been "widely identified as anti-Muslim".[23]
According to Peter Beinart of the Atlantic, "the organization has condemned cities with large Muslim populations for serving halal food in public schools. In 2013, its Houston chapter urged members to “protest” food companies that certify their meat as compliant with Islamic dietary law. ACT tries to dissuade Jews and Christians from conducting interfaith dialogue with Muslims. And in state after state, it has lobbied state legislatures and school boards to purge textbooks of references that create “an inaccurate comparison between Islam, Christianity and Judaism.”"[24]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brigitte_Gabriel


Thanks for the "impartial" link, Panther.

You'll understand if i don't bother watching it, won't you?


To deniers & enablers ...... FACTS are always dangerous ......so I understand....

I just hope that there are others who wish to know the FACTS.....Facts from the Mouth of a woman born in the Middle East, a woman who lived in the Middle East...the home of her family...... So, I just hope that there are others who wish to know the FACTS ......who do not wish to remain ignorant of the FACTS.......you don't mind if they watch, do you...it's only fitting that they have a free choice....no?




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aACpy7fLjFo

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Reply #11 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 2:03pm
 
It's not free choice. It's propaganda.

Dd you read the article, Panther?
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I read it.  Did you? 

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Together, these imams are the brave #ImamsForShe: religious and lay leaders, Islamic scholars, men and women. They debunk the misogynistic interpretation of Islam.


Why are they described as brave Mothra?  Why would they need to be brave? And they don't "debunk" the misogynistic interpretation of Islam, this article confirms its reality.

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For many years in our Muslim communities, we have heard from too many hate-mongering imams, whose Wahhabi theology is radical, racist and supremacist.


Say it ain't so Mothra!  Grin Grin

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... Far too often, they are shut out by Muslim communities, slandered for challenging the misogynistic interpretations of the faith and, in some instances, killed by radicals.


Well durrrrr.  Religion of peace innit.

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For years we have been in search of these inclusive imams. We have been elated to partner with them, but we’ve also discovered that they recoil in fear at the thought of going public with their views.


I imagine it was a long search, and of course they recoil in fear, have these clowns only just recently discovered that dissent is death?

PS Mothra, I have noted in that article there are mentions of Muslims without prefacing it with "some".  You should take them to task for that.  It's not much but it is the only point you have ever had.  Smiley

PPS Thanks for posting an article that confirms the misogyny of Islam.  Apologists clowns usually deny it and I suspect you do as well, for you this article was an own goal.  Cool
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Reply #13 - Apr 11th, 2017 at 2:04pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 11th, 2017 at 12:53pm:
What needs to be acknowledged here is that christianity - at least in the western world - has become quite progressive on matters related to women and equal rights.


Why O why do you always leave yourself so wide open to needing to be corrected - again and again?

Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with the liberal freedoms we enjoy today, let alone women's liberation.

On the contrary, the churches have been in the vanguard of those who have opposed every freedom we enjoy today, from gay rights to women's lib, from divorce to legal abortions, from sports on Sunday to shops opening on Sundays, from contraceptives and the 'Rhythm Method' ... and a whole stack of laws that were only overturned and junked through the work of secular activists and their sympathisers.

Christianity has for centuries been a yolk upon the back of the public - not a parachute of enlightened thinking.


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Just precisely what, Secret, do you think you are illuminating me about?
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