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Reply #16 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:18pm

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:07pm:

Just precisely what, Secret, do you think you are illuminating me about?

I doubt you can ever be illuminated.

But focus your mind, why do you think that people who oppose misogyny in Islam need to be brave?

If "Islam Is Compatible With Women's Rights" why are some Muslims who advocate for women's rights hard to find and afraid of being killed?

Again thanks for your article. Note I prefaced Muslims with "some". Grin

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Reply #17 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:20pm

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:18pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:07pm:

Just precisely what, Secret, do you think you are illuminating me about?

I doubt you can ever be illuminated.

But focus your mind, why do you think that people who oppose misogyny in Islam need to be brave?

If "Islam Is Compatible With Women's Rights" why are some Muslims who advocate for women's rights hard to find and afraid of being killed?

Again thanks for your article. Note I prefaced Muslims with "some". Grin

Focus now Secret, how does the article contradict anything i've ever said?

How is it "an own goal"?

(this should be good).

Hurry up now, i knock off in an hour.

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35240 Gender:	Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights Reply #18 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:21pm And how does the presence of misogyny prevent potential compatibility with women's rights? You know there are Muslim feminists, rrrrrright?
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Reply #19 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:33pm

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:21pm:

And how does the presence of misogyny prevent potential compatibility with women's rights?

hehehe, you are the one trying to build the case that Islam is compatible with women's rights, I am just pointing out that you should have read your article because all it does is confirm Islam is mysogynistic, moreover it confirms that finding anyone to advocate for women's rights is hard because some Muslims will kill them for doing so.

Religion of peace and women's rights innit. Grin

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Reply #20 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:40pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:04pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 12:53pm:

What needs to be acknowledged here is that christianity - at least in the western world - has become quite progressive on matters related to women and equal rights.

Why O why do you always leave yourself so wide open to needing to be corrected - again and again?

Christianity has absolutely nothing to do with the liberal freedoms we enjoy today, let alone women's liberation.

On the contrary, the churches have been in the vanguard of those who have opposed every freedom we enjoy today, from gay rights to women's lib, from divorce to legal abortions, from sports on Sunday to shops opening on Sundays, from contraceptives and the 'Rhythm Method' ... and a whole stack of laws that were only overturned and junked through the work of secular activists and their sympathisers.

Christianity has for centuries been a yolk upon the back of the public - not a parachute of enlightened thinking.

Herb, you are quite correct. Christianity is not liberal. Christians have been forced to accept the liberalisation of society. But fundamentally, its still the same dumb stuff they have been preaching for centuries. There is only one God, Jesus is God and his son at the same time. When on earth, he had supernatural powers. His mother was touched by an angel to fall pregnant. He rose from the grave. For Christians, any moral values are secondary to Jesus being part of the divine threesome, so there goes monotheism. Its just paganism in convoluted form.

However, I would like to point out that it was Christian missionaries who were responsible for the end of cannibalism in Melanesia and Polynesia, not Western liberalism or law. And if anyone wants to push the line that cannibalism in those islands was only a matter of ritual, they need to read the personal accounts of educated men who witnessed the native's relish for human flesh.

Understandably, the subject is a kind of No-No these days, because we do not want to make their descendants feel bad. But if you can think of a way to embarrass Europeans, feel free, its open season in multicultural circles.

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Reply #21 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:42pm

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:33pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:21pm:

And how does the presence of misogyny prevent potential compatibility with women's rights?

hehehe, you are the one trying to build the case that Islam is compatible with women's rights, I am just pointing out that you should have read your article because all it does is confirm Islam is mysogynistic, moreover it confirms that finding anyone to advocate for women's rights is hard because some Muslims will kill them for doing so.

Religion of peace and women's rights innit. Grin

I most certainly read the article, Secret, and what is more, it wasn't news to me. I've long been familiar with the thoughts and works of Muslim feminists who effortlessly reconcile their faith with their ideology.

Would you deny their existence?

Or the existence of these imams who seamlessly incorporate women's rights into their religious framework?

The many Muslims women's rights advocacy groups? Denying their existence too, are you?

So, it logically follows (you are trying to be logical aren't you?) that Islam is compatible with women's rights.

Your problem is the same as it has always been, you judge the entire religion by the worst behaved within it. It's not all your fault. Malleable minds are prone to indoctrination and Islam is poorly represented through the world's media.

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Reply #22 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:51pm

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:42pm:

The many Muslims women's rights advocacy groups? Denying their existence too, are you?

So, it logically follows (you are trying to be logical aren't you?) that Islam is compatible with women's rights.

In your mind, the presence of advocacy groups leads to the logical conclusion that Islam is compatible with women's rights.

And to prove that Islam is logically compatible with women's rights you post an article that says advocates are hard to find because they are afraid of being killed for advocating.

Mothra logic. Cheesy

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Reply #23 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:54pm

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:51pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:42pm:

The many Muslims women's rights advocacy groups? Denying their existence too, are you?

So, it logically follows (you are trying to be logical aren't you?) that Islam is compatible with women's rights.

In your mind, the presence of advocacy groups leads to the logical conclusion that Islam is compatible with women's rights.

And to prove that Islam is logically compatible with women's rights you post an article that says advocates are hard to find because they are afraid of being killed for advocating.

Mothra logic. Cheesy

Indeed. Islam is demonstrably compatible with women's rights.

And not hard to find. A simple google will set you right. Give it a go.

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Reply #24 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 3:03pm

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:54pm:

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:51pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:42pm:

The many Muslims women's rights advocacy groups? Denying their existence too, are you?

So, it logically follows (you are trying to be logical aren't you?) that Islam is compatible with women's rights.

In your mind, the presence of advocacy groups leads to the logical conclusion that Islam is compatible with women's rights.

And to prove that Islam is logically compatible with women's rights you post an article that says advocates are hard to find because they are afraid of being killed for advocating.

Mothra logic. Cheesy

Indeed. Islam is demonstrably compatible with women's rights.

And not hard to find. A simple google will set you right. Give it a go.

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Fuzzball Gold Member Offline Posts: 6381 Australia Gender:	Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights Reply #25 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 3:07pm mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:07pm: Just precisely what, Secret, do you think you are illuminating me about? Ya know mothball, if you overuse a particular word, it just shows your LACK of grammatical ability.........BINGO!
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Reply #26 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 3:08pm

Actually you should google again because the article you posted to support Islam being compatible with women's rights says nothing of the sort.

It says that advocacy for women's rights is hard to find, espoused only by a minority and deadly for its advocates. Religion of peace kills them.

It takes a special sort of dope to conclude from that that Islam is compatible with women's rights.

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Reply #27 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 3:12pm

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

Actually you should google again because the article you posted to support Islam being compatible with women's rights says nothing of the sort.

It says that advocacy for women's rights is hard to find, espoused only by a minority and deadly for its advocates. Religion of peace kills them.

It takes a special sort of dope to conclude from that that Islam is compatible with women's rights.

Which is why I asked mothra if she was intellectually impaired or suffering some sort of retardation, a question she either does not understand or is too embarrassed to answer.

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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights Reply #28 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 3:15pm mothra wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 2:54pm: Indeed. Islam is demonstrably compatible with women's rights. And not hard to find. A simple google will set you right. Give it a go. Well this is what I found, after doing what you suggested.
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Reply #29 - Apr 11^th, 2017 at 3:16pm

Secret Wars wrote on Apr 11^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

Actually you should google again because the article you posted to support Islam being compatible with women's rights says nothing of the sort.

It says that advocacy for women's rights is hard to find, espoused only by a minority and deadly for its advocates. Religion of peace kills them.

It takes a special sort of dope to conclude from that that Islam is compatible with women's rights.

Nope Secret. There are plenty of Muslim feminists. Plenty of Muslims who advocate for women's rights.

Plenty of Muslims who seamlessly entwine their religion with their ideology.

Does that mean some aren't threatened? Or even murdered? Nope. I never claimed it didn't. Had you thought beyond the cursory, you would have formed the conclusion that there would be no need for advocacy were it not for the fact that in many countries, women desperately require it.

None of that means that Islam is incompatible with women'w rights though. The converse is demonstrably true.

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