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Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights
Reply #90 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:02pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

There are female Imams all over the place. There are even gay Imams.

errr I wouldn't say "all over the place" - thats taking it a bit far I think.

By ll over the place i mean there are more than a few in several parts of the world.

And their numbers are growing.

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BigOl64 Gold Member Offline Posts: 14438 Townsville QLD Gender:	Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights Reply #91 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:24pm Based on the rants of mothra and gandy, the more islamic the country the greater the women 's rights. Surely they cannot base their entire argument on a few exception here and there but on what islam actually shows to the world about how they actually treat women. Good to know.
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Reply #92 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:25pm

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:24pm:

Based on the rants of mothra and gandy, the more islamic the country the greater the women 's rights. Surely they cannot base their entire argument on a few exception here and there but on what islam actually shows to the world about how they actually treat women.

Good to know.

And again, BigOl has utterly missed the point and gone and got it all wrong.

What a surprise.

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Reply #93 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:31pm

mothra wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:24pm:

Based on the rants of mothra and gandy, the more islamic the country the greater the women 's rights. Surely they cannot base their entire argument on a few exception here and there but on what islam actually shows to the world about how they actually treat women.

Good to know.

And again, BigOl has utterly missed the point and gone and got it all wrong.

What a surprise.

So are you arguing that islam is compatible with women's right based on its application in strict islamic countries like saudi arbia or are you arguing that the few exceptions to the rule in far flung, essentially non-islamic countries like china are the norm?

Arguing the exception is the norm, just makes you a liar, I know greggy has gone, but we don't need that spot filled.

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Reply #94 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:38pm

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:31pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:24pm:

Based on the rants of mothra and gandy, the more islamic the country the greater the women 's rights. Surely they cannot base their entire argument on a few exception here and there but on what islam actually shows to the world about how they actually treat women.

Good to know.

And again, BigOl has utterly missed the point and gone and got it all wrong.

What a surprise.

So are you arguing that islam is compatible with women's right based on its application in strict islamic countries like saudi arbia or are you arguing that the few exceptions to the rule in far flung, essentially non-islamic countries like china are the norm?

Arguing the exception is the norm, just makes you a liar, I know greggy has gone, but we don't need that spot filled.

I'm not arguing either. Where did you pull that bollocks from?

And i most certainly have not claimed that women's right's are the "norm".

When you do not understand what a person is saying, you shouldn't just make things up.

I am saying, for the dozenth time, that Islam is demonstrably compatible with women's rights.

You do know what compatible means, don't you?

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Reply #95 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 3:19pm

mothra wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:31pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:24pm:

Based on the rants of mothra and gandy, the more islamic the country the greater the women 's rights. Surely they cannot base their entire argument on a few exception here and there but on what islam actually shows to the world about how they actually treat women.

Good to know.

And again, BigOl has utterly missed the point and gone and got it all wrong.

What a surprise.

So are you arguing that islam is compatible with women's right based on its application in strict islamic countries like saudi arbia or are you arguing that the few exceptions to the rule in far flung, essentially non-islamic countries like china are the norm?

Arguing the exception is the norm, just makes you a liar, I know greggy has gone, but we don't need that spot filled.

I'm not arguing either. Where did you pull that bollocks from?

And i most certainly have not claimed that women's right's are the "norm".

When you do not understand what a person is saying, you shouldn't just make things up.

I am saying, for the dozenth time, that Islam is demonstrably compatible with women's rights.

You do know what compatible means, don't you?

Through the demonstration of what?

Islam, as you said, is not normally demonstrative of women's rights, so you can point any countries that are predominantly islamic and don't treat women like filth. Otherwise you are trying to argue that the exception is somehow the norm.

I know what you are saying, but doesn't seem to be based on any evidence.

I can easily show you more than one islamic country where women's right are pood on regularly by the muslms in charge, actual a great many more than a few. There is no evidence where this fantasy is anything more than a one off here and there and should be treated as an aberration of the application of islam.

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Reply #96 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 3:20pm

During the debate, Ms Allouche says wives who disobey Muslim teachings could face a beating from their husband, but only because 'he loves his wife, he fears for his wife'.

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that looks like the good old This hurts me more than you excuse.. Roll Eyes

funny how they always talk about husbands beating wives never wives beating husband... Roll Eyes

at least we know in our society there is no discrimination when it comes to the LAW.

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Reply #97 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 3:34pm

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 3:19pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:38pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:31pm:

mothra wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:25pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 2:24pm:

Based on the rants of mothra and gandy, the more islamic the country the greater the women 's rights. Surely they cannot base their entire argument on a few exception here and there but on what islam actually shows to the world about how they actually treat women.

Good to know.

And again, BigOl has utterly missed the point and gone and got it all wrong.

What a surprise.

So are you arguing that islam is compatible with women's right based on its application in strict islamic countries like saudi arbia or are you arguing that the few exceptions to the rule in far flung, essentially non-islamic countries like china are the norm?

Arguing the exception is the norm, just makes you a liar, I know greggy has gone, but we don't need that spot filled.

I'm not arguing either. Where did you pull that bollocks from?

And i most certainly have not claimed that women's right's are the "norm".

When you do not understand what a person is saying, you shouldn't just make things up.

I am saying, for the dozenth time, that Islam is demonstrably compatible with women's rights.

You do know what compatible means, don't you?

Through the demonstration of what?

Islam, as you said, is not normally demonstrative of women's rights, so you can point any countries that are predominantly islamic and don't treat women like filth. Otherwise you are trying to argue that the exception is somehow the norm.

I know what you are saying, but doesn't seem to be based on any evidence.

I can easily show you more than one islamic country where women's right are pood on regularly by the muslms in charge, actual a great many more than a few. There is no evidence where this fantasy is anything more than a one off here and there and should be treated as an aberration of the application of islam.

Through the demonstration of the Imams, scholars, grass-roots activists and Muslim men and women who seamlessly reconcile women's rights with their Islamic faith.

This is not just a "one-off here or there" ... there is a real push for it and the very real presence of gender equality among many Muslims.

This is my point. Islam is compatible with women's rights.

I have at no point denied that women are subjugated and oppressed in much of the Muslim world. Yet even in those places, there are agents for change. Denying their existence doesn't help them.

Google women's rights advocacy in Morocco and see what women's right advocates and activists were able to get through. They still have a long way to go and gender inequality certainly still exists but the ground is set.

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Reply #98 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 4:08pm

ahhhhhhh Morocco

The 2011 constitution guarantees equality for women, “while respecting the provisions of the constitution, and the laws and permanent characteristics of the Kingdom.”

The 2004 Family Code, which improved women’s rights in divorce and child custody, discriminates against women with regard to inheritance and procedures to obtain divorce. The code raised the age of marriage from 15 to 18, but judges routinely allowed girls to marry below this age. There is no law that specifically criminalizes domestic violence or that establishes protections for domestic violence victims.
Domestic Workers

Despite laws prohibiting the employment of children under the age of 15, thousands of children under that age—predominantly girls—are believed to work as domestic workers. According to the UN, nongovernmental organizations, and government sources, the number of child domestic workers has declined in recent years.

Morocco’s labor law excludes domestic workers from its protections, which include a minimum wage, limits to work hours, and a weekly rest day. In 2006, authorities presented a draft law to regulate domestic work and reinforce existing prohibitions on domestic workers under 15 years old. The draft had been modified but not adopted at time of writing.

they are writing changes to the laws..

but I understand its awfully slow at coming into being...

I guess if a women is divorced she is penniless.

its still very much a mans world..

the ground was set in 2011... and they are demonstrating how to cover up domestic violence with make up.. Sad

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Reply #99 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 4:18pm

cods wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

ahhhhhhh Morocco

The 2011 constitution guarantees equality for women, “while respecting the provisions of the constitution, and the laws and permanent characteristics of the Kingdom.”

The 2004 Family Code, which improved women’s rights in divorce and child custody, discriminates against women with regard to inheritance and procedures to obtain divorce. The code raised the age of marriage from 15 to 18, but judges routinely allowed girls to marry below this age. There is no law that specifically criminalizes domestic violence or that establishes protections for domestic violence victims.
Domestic Workers

Despite laws prohibiting the employment of children under the age of 15, thousands of children under that age—predominantly girls—are believed to work as domestic workers. According to the UN, nongovernmental organizations, and government sources, the number of child domestic workers has declined in recent years.

Morocco’s labor law excludes domestic workers from its protections, which include a minimum wage, limits to work hours, and a weekly rest day. In 2006, authorities presented a draft law to regulate domestic work and reinforce existing prohibitions on domestic workers under 15 years old. The draft had been modified but not adopted at time of writing.

they are writing changes to the laws..

but I understand its awfully slow at coming into being...

I guess if a women is divorced she is penniless.

its still very much a mans world..

the ground was set in 2011... and they are demonstrating how to cover up domestic violence with make up.. Sad

Yes. As i said, gender inequality still exists, sadly.

Yet a women's rights movement pushed through laws that allowed women to divorce and protect them from the law of repudiation.

17% of the countries parliamentarians are now women, up from 1% in 2003.

School enrollments for girls have risen dramatically in recent years, as has women's representation in the work-place.

There is much work left to do, but women's right advocates and activists indeed have a voice there.

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Reply #100 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 5:19pm

mothra wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 4:18pm:

cods wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 4:08pm:

ahhhhhhh Morocco

The 2011 constitution guarantees equality for women, “while respecting the provisions of the constitution, and the laws and permanent characteristics of the Kingdom.”

The 2004 Family Code, which improved women’s rights in divorce and child custody, discriminates against women with regard to inheritance and procedures to obtain divorce. The code raised the age of marriage from 15 to 18, but judges routinely allowed girls to marry below this age. There is no law that specifically criminalizes domestic violence or that establishes protections for domestic violence victims.
Domestic Workers

Despite laws prohibiting the employment of children under the age of 15, thousands of children under that age—predominantly girls—are believed to work as domestic workers. According to the UN, nongovernmental organizations, and government sources, the number of child domestic workers has declined in recent years.

Morocco’s labor law excludes domestic workers from its protections, which include a minimum wage, limits to work hours, and a weekly rest day. In 2006, authorities presented a draft law to regulate domestic work and reinforce existing prohibitions on domestic workers under 15 years old. The draft had been modified but not adopted at time of writing.

they are writing changes to the laws..

but I understand its awfully slow at coming into being...

I guess if a women is divorced she is penniless.

its still very much a mans world..

the ground was set in 2011... and they are demonstrating how to cover up domestic violence with make up.. Sad

Yes. As i said, gender inequality still exists, sadly.

Yet a women's rights movement pushed through laws that allowed women to divorce and protect them from the law of repudiation.

17% of the countries parliamentarians are now women, up from 1% in 2003.

School enrollments for girls have risen dramatically in recent years, as has women's representation in the work-place.

There is much work left to do, but women's right advocates and activists indeed have a voice there.

they do thats for sure.. but it doesnt mean its changing mothra..

thats what I am pointing out...and what does change is very very slow...maybe its time to beat the drum... and kick them up the bum to move it along..

what good is it for a women to be able to divorce when she gets nothing....these are women that have been under the thumb for centuries...things are changing. and thats all well and good.. but I for one do not think its enough....in this day and age...the female is a chattel a possession men can have more than one wife...can she have more than one husband????..

personally I would like to see more Muslim women in this country liberated no more covering up be free...speak to a man other than your husband....far out...

I would like to see them do more for their sisters in other countries...make more noise if you like...there is still much control for the man no matter what they claim..

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18292 Gender:	Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights Reply #101 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 5:50pm Womens rights in Islam- quran.com/4/34 Wife beating in Islam explained by muslims, it's allowed by Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy. youtube.com/results?search_query=wife+beating+islam I have no idea why women defend this religion.
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Frank Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 44637 Gender:	Re: Islam Is Compatible With Women’s Rights Reply #102 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 5:57pm Muslim women explain how to beat a wife and how Islam 'manages' violence better. ‘It’s OK for men to hit wives’ How pathetic!!
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Reply #103 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 5:59pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 5:50pm:

Womens rights in Islam-
quran.com/4/34

Wife beating in Islam explained by muslims, it's allowed by Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy.
youtube.com/results?search_query=wife+beating+islam

I have no idea why women defend this religion. Roll Eyes

I dont think mothra is defending Islam as such.. she is claiming its changing and of course well it might..

it is of course waiting for MEN to change...lol..

I think its high time women stood up and said..
bugger this I have had enough I will talk to whom I want to.. I will drive a bloody car.. I will wear short sleeves and no head scarf... i will i will i will..

when they come to a country like ours look at the opportunity they have to break free from something that is entirely man made...Sharia Law..

it really is bizarre but I cant see much changing in the near future..I admire mothras belief that it is though..

nothing wrong with that...

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Reply #104 - Apr 13^th, 2017 at 6:06pm

cods wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 5:59pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 5:50pm:

Womens rights in Islam-
quran.com/4/34

Wife beating in Islam explained by muslims, it's allowed by Allah the most merciful of those who show mercy.
youtube.com/results?search_query=wife+beating+islam

I have no idea why women defend this religion. Roll Eyes

I dont think mothra is defending Islam as such.. she is claiming its changing and of course well it might..

it is of course waiting for MEN to change...lol..

I think its high time women stood up and said..
bugger this I have had enough I will talk to whom I want to.. I will drive a bloody car.. I will wear short sleeves and no head scarf... i will i will i will..

when they come to a country like ours look at the opportunity they have to break free from something that is entirely man made...Sharia Law..

it really is bizarre but I cant see much changing in the near future..I admire mothras belief that it is though..

nothing wrong with that...

Cods, Mothra is dreamin.

Saudi Arabia is going on a spending spree spreading the most puritanical and toxic form of Islam throughout the Islamic world.

It's getting worse, not better.

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