Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 6:45pm:


From your own link Mr Rort:

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polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 6:32pm:


Is it the same word Aisha used when she said Muhammad struck her in the chest, causing her pain, after she went out of the house without his permission?

How did Allah punish Muhammad for beating his favourite child bride?

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Your links ~ you ought to read them, Mr Rort.

Abu often argued that Islam places strict limitations on wife beating. You have to be respectful about it, like using a soggy miswak for example. A miswak is a revolting thing that desert arabs chew on as an alternative to brushing their teeth.

According to Ab, the purpose of wife beating was not to leave a visible bruise, but to humiliate her into submission. The soggy miswak thing ties in well with that. He never could produce any Islamic justification for limiting wife beating, which kind of contradicted his point about it being unIslamic to forbid something that Islam permits. I guess Abu was a reformer, just like Gandalf.

So if I become a Muslim I'm allowed to go around beating up women?

Bobby. wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 7:41pm:



no bobs read the posts.. you may touch them with a damp stick.. ...but only as a last resort pet..

cods wrote on Apr 13^th, 2017 at 7:42pm:



a damp stick?

that sounds rude.

Funny stuff

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