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Reply #30 - Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:56pm
 
Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:45pm:
cods wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:43pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
cods wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:36pm:
Aussie wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 6:12pm:
Why not Mr Rort?  After all the Bible bashers do it, so why deny the Muslims the same flexibility.

Any 'religion' which asserts that violence against a partner is to be encouraged or condoned ain't worth jack schit, not that I need to rely on that single issue to make the assertion that all religion is worth jack schit.



is this the same person who talked about how he would "deck" a women.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


The straight answer is.....yes.  Gender is not recognised in criminal law.  Women are not given ten yards start or a gender 'get out of jail' free card.  If a woman provokes a man, then the reaction can be the same as if a man provokes a man.  If a woman assaults a man,  the reaction can be the same as if a man assaults a man.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

of course dear ... in your world I am sure its ok.


I was referring to the 'legal' world, cods.  Deal with it.



no pet... I know what you meant
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Reply #31 - Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:59pm
 
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I doubt that, but you could have a go at telling us what I meant.  I bet you don't.

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Reply #32 - Apr 13th, 2017 at 8:43pm
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 5:57pm:
Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 4:13pm:
And, Muslim men have slower reaction times and no ability to multi-task but are physically stronger and obliged to be the leader in a marriage.


Seriously, enough is enough. Protecting this bizarre regressive head up it's arse pile of turd religion has to stop.

Reem AlloucheThe 30-minute video aimed to discuss a contentious verse from the Koran that says: "Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has made one of them to excel the other, and because they spend (to support them) from their means. Therefore the righteous woman are Qanitat​, and guard in the husband's absence what Allah orders them to guard. As to those women on whose part you see ill conduct, admonish them, and abandon them in their beds, and beat them, but if they return to obedience, do not seek a means against them."

http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/muslim-men-permitted-to-hit-wives-in-a-soft-and-symbol...


Its despicable, but I do hope this starts up a conversation within the muslim community, and we get to hear the progressive muslims who completely reject this interpretation of the Quran.

I also (shock horror) hope that leftists who defend muslims won't be afraid to condemn these misogynistic remarks



I've already condemned this in another thread but i am happy to repeat it here.

These sentiments are reprehensible. Inexcusable.
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Reply #33 - Apr 13th, 2017 at 9:11pm
 
cods wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:42pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm:
So if I become a Muslim I'm allowed to go around beating up women?



no bobs read the posts.. you may touch them with a damp stick.. Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes...but only as a last resort pet..


Like if she continues to be willfully disobedient?
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Reply #34 - Apr 13th, 2017 at 9:16pm
 
Gordon wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:53pm:
Funny stuff

We would like to acknowledge the very understandable concern expressed from sections of our Muslim community regarding a recent posting we made of an event on the tafsir of a verse of Surat al-Nisa (subsequently dug up and given the usual tabloid treatment by media). Indeed, we express our gratitude for the sincere advice we have received and continue to receive from members of the community. Sincere criticism from the community one serves is a blessing. We firmly believe that we, as a community, must not shy away from the clarification of Islamic injunctions, however controversial, let alone succumb to reinterpretations of Islam forced by liberal hounding.  In fact, the greater the pressure, the greater our adherence to Islam must be.

Nevertheless, there is a need to be sensitive to the environment in which we operate and the context in which we are speaking. When mud-slinging at Islam is the order of the day in an increasingly hostile West, more thought needs to be given to the question of purpose, worth and risk of sharing content online. We acknowledge our mistake in this respect in this instance. We would especially like to acknowledge in this regard sisters in our community involved in the Domestic Violence space and their advice on how things can be misconstrued on this topic and we thank them for their tremendous ongoing work. Domestic Violence is an abomination that Islam rejects in the strongest terms. 

The condition of the community and the potential to invite harm upon it is, and must be, a great concern. May Allah (swt) bless and strengthen us all, give the tawfiq to learn and grow and make our efforts a source of goodness and baraka in increasingly difficult times.

As for media coverage and political commentary on the matter, well what can one say? Apparently the likes of The Australian, shock-jocks like Ben Fordham and Andrew Bolt, and government ministers care about women and the violence against them! These are the same folk whose careers have been built on the consistent shameless demonisation of Muslim women (and Islam generally) and who carry water from the political establishment and its foreign policies that kill thousands of women every year in Asia and Africa and destroy the lives of many more. These are the same folk who are a hundred times louder on “terrorism” and “extremism”, simply because it sells, than on the domestic violence, which is a far greater menace in this country. 

Domestic violence kills around 70 women every year in Australia and destroys the lives of thousands. Yet, it is giving nothing more than nominal lip-service by policy makers and mainstream media alike. For them, this is just another opportunity, just another day of the week, in which to attack Islam and Muslims as they do every other day. As such, they can continue talking to themselves as far as we are concerned, pretending to occupy the moral high ground while throwing stones from glass houses. We firmly refuse them their demand of interrogating Islam for they are in no position to lecture anyone on women or violence.

Media Office of Hizb ut-Tahrir Australia,
Women's Section


In other words, they must work harder to misrepresent and conceal the barbaric aspects of Islam, at the same time as working harder to impose them and never, ever questioning their own beliefs. They must put people like Mothra to work representing Muslims to the wider community so they can pretend Muslims don't really believe this crap.

This is what Abu was getting at when he said Muslims need to be more strategic in promoting Islam
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Reply #35 - Apr 13th, 2017 at 11:25pm
 
Bobby. wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm:
So if I become a Muslim I'm allowed to go around beating up women?


No Bobby, you can only give your own miswaking but you have to get one first.
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Reply #36 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:26am
 
Setanta wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 11:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm:
So if I become a Muslim I'm allowed to go around beating up women?


No Bobby, you can only give your own miswaking but you have to get one first.


Where does it say anything about miswaking in this verse?

quran.com/4/34
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Reply #37 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:37am
 
Baronvonrort wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:26am:
Setanta wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 11:25pm:
Bobby. wrote on Apr 13th, 2017 at 7:41pm:
So if I become a Muslim I'm allowed to go around beating up women?


No Bobby, you can only give your own miswaking but you have to get one first.


Where does it say anything about miswaking in this verse?

quran.com/4/34


No idea, I was referring to the video like I believe Bobby was.
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Reply #38 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:42am
 
.. if they hit you repeatedly........ no individual should suffer and accept threat to life and limb....

Argument ends....
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Reply #39 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 2:12am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:42am:
.. if they hit you repeatedly........ no individual should suffer and accept threat to life and limb....

Argument ends....


Perhaps it should be modernised to a Mrswaking or a Mswaking. Religions, you gotta feel sorry for the dumb f@cks that follow them.

Many years ago when my wife was a fundy christian before I showed her how things should be, demanded that I exercise "authority" over her as per her beliefs. I refused to play the role.

edit: And yes she would have let me beat her or other unholy poo, in the name of god.
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Reply #40 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 9:14am
 
It's OK for Muzlim men to hit women, as long as its OK for the women to kick them in the balls.
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Reply #41 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 9:27am
 
Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 12:42am:
.. if they hit you repeatedly........ no individual should suffer and accept threat to life and limb....

Argument ends....



And that is the problem ..in this country alone women die at the hands of men at something like two a week ... I see domestic violence as a problem that effect's every country not just a muslim country.. men are still killing women because they think women are their possessions to treat any way they please. I don't see this attitude changing any time soon- it is too ingrained onto the psyche of most males.
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Reply #42 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 1:57pm
 
Muzzos are all alike

The men, if you can call them that, are cowards who only attack defenceless women and children.

The only way they even dare to attack a real man is when they outnumber him 5 to 1.

Cowardice is islam.
Muhellmut, was the consumate coward.
Meek and mild, probably giving head to his enemies until he felt safe enough to come back and kill them.

ALL muzzos are tarred with the same brush.
Cowards, liars, insane and barbaric in everything they do.

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Reply #43 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 6:42pm
 
it's never ok to hit a woman ...



but grabbing them by the pussy is perfectly fine  Cheesy Cheesy
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Reply #44 - Apr 14th, 2017 at 8:50pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 14th, 2017 at 6:42pm:
it's never ok to hit a woman ...



but grabbing them by the pussy is perfectly fine  Cheesy Cheesy


So you'll stand there and let a woman stab you or brain you with a rolling pin or frying pan?

Good luck.  Maybe every home should have mandatory CCTV fitted so the truth about domestic disputes can come out.
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