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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74257 Gender:	Re: It's OK to hit women Reply #45 - Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:52pm Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:50pm: So you'll stand there and let a woman stab you or brain you with a rolling pin or frying pan? i wouldn't get myself in that position in the first place.
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Re: It's OK to hit women
Reply #46 - Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:00pm

John Smith wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:52pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

So you'll stand there and let a woman stab you or brain you with a rolling pin or frying pan?

i wouldn't get myself in that position in the first place.

It's a hypothetical - since you would never place yourself in that position, you simply cannot say that it is never all right to hit a woman.

As I said before - every human is entitled to a legitimate self-defence, and gender does not preclude the attack from just self-defence or legitimate defence of others.

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UnSubRocky Gold Member Offline Crocodile Hunter: Origins Posts: 24619 Rockhampton Gender:	Re: It's OK to hit women Reply #47 - Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:00pm "It's OK to hit women" Are you going to do gaol time for me, Gordon?
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Reply #48 - Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:02pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

it's never ok to hit a woman ...

but grabbing them by the pussy is perfectly fine Cheesy

So you'll stand there and let a woman stab you or brain you with a rolling pin or frying pan?

Good luck. Maybe every home should have mandatory CCTV fitted so the truth about domestic disputes can come out.

I'd go with that.

No-one will ever convince me that the Little Woman always has clean hands and that the Hubby Bully Boy struck out for no good reason.

Everyone needs to understand that, whoever you are, if you poke a bear in the eye, s/he gonna be pissed off.

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Reply #49 - Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:04pm

As a matter of fact, the last time I hit a woman, I was so overcome by a sense of shame that I let her beat the daylights out of me for her revenge. Then she yelled at me for not defending myself. Then she realised how remorseful I was (as well as a bit bruised). So, she gave me a hug and forgave me. I had a black eye for a few days.

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Reply #50 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 10:14am

Aussie wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

it's never ok to hit a woman ...

but grabbing them by the pussy is perfectly fine Cheesy

So you'll stand there and let a woman stab you or brain you with a rolling pin or frying pan?

Good luck. Maybe every home should have mandatory CCTV fitted so the truth about domestic disputes can come out.

I'd go with that.

No-one will ever convince me that the Little Woman always has clean hands and that the Hubby Bully Boy struck out for no good reason.

Everyone needs to understand that, whoever you are, if you poke a bear in the eye, s/he gonna be pissed off.

Oh dear. Victim blaming.

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: It's OK to hit women Reply #51 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:08am UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:00pm: "It's OK to hit women" Are you going to do gaol time for me, Gordon? it shouldnt be ok to hit anyone...
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Gordon Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20496 Gordon Gender:	Re: It's OK to hit women Reply #52 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:09am cods wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:08am: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:00pm: "It's OK to hit women" Are you going to do gaol time for me, Gordon? it shouldnt be ok to hit anyone... +10.
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Grappler Truth Teller Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 83835 Proud pre-1850's NO Voter Gender:	Re: It's OK to hit women Reply #53 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:41am cods wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:08am: UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:00pm: "It's OK to hit women" Are you going to do gaol time for me, Gordon? it shouldnt be ok to hit anyone... +20 Tell that to my ex next time she gets upset over something.... and punches me while I'm driving or something...
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Re: It's OK to hit women
Reply #54 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:42am

Gordon wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 10:14am:

Aussie wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

it's never ok to hit a woman ...

but grabbing them by the pussy is perfectly fine Cheesy

So you'll stand there and let a woman stab you or brain you with a rolling pin or frying pan?

Good luck. Maybe every home should have mandatory CCTV fitted so the truth about domestic disputes can come out.

I'd go with that.

No-one will ever convince me that the Little Woman always has clean hands and that the Hubby Bully Boy struck out for no good reason.

Everyone needs to understand that, whoever you are, if you poke a bear in the eye, s/he gonna be pissed off.

Oh dear. Victim blaming.

Please explain? Huh

I was of the belief that my comment there was studiedly neutral and covered all possibilities equally.... if the meth'd up teenage daughter punches out grampa for no reason, that situation is equally covered... how is there any 'victim blaming' involved here? CCTV would simply resolve who IS the victim and who the perpetrator (or perp for the TV generation)..

Sometimes, Gordo, you are stuck in the theory books and the rhetoric going the rounds and are missing the forest for the trees that squeak the loudest (and are permitted to do so in the media etc) - it's called simplistic thinking and following what you are being told rather than being discriminating in your thinking and facts.

One reason I like to watch Law and Order SVU is the way it explores often multiple facets of victimhood and realities..... I know it can be boring after a few years, but it still has content.... for the observant and thinking person...

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Re: It's OK to hit women
Reply #55 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:46am

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:42am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 10:14am:

Aussie wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

it's never ok to hit a woman ...

but grabbing them by the pussy is perfectly fine Cheesy

So you'll stand there and let a woman stab you or brain you with a rolling pin or frying pan?

Good luck. Maybe every home should have mandatory CCTV fitted so the truth about domestic disputes can come out.

I'd go with that.

No-one will ever convince me that the Little Woman always has clean hands and that the Hubby Bully Boy struck out for no good reason.

Everyone needs to understand that, whoever you are, if you poke a bear in the eye, s/he gonna be pissed off.

Oh dear. Victim blaming.

Please explain? Huh

People shouldn't hit people. (except for playing spotto on a long drive).

If woman is verbally abusive man needs to go for a walk.
If woman is physically abusive to a man he needs to defend himself then leave her (if it's a regular thing).

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Re: It's OK to hit women
Reply #56 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:53am

Gordon wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:46am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:42am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 10:14am:

Aussie wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

it's never ok to hit a woman ...

but grabbing them by the pussy is perfectly fine Cheesy

So you'll stand there and let a woman stab you or brain you with a rolling pin or frying pan?

Good luck. Maybe every home should have mandatory CCTV fitted so the truth about domestic disputes can come out.

I'd go with that.

No-one will ever convince me that the Little Woman always has clean hands and that the Hubby Bully Boy struck out for no good reason.

Everyone needs to understand that, whoever you are, if you poke a bear in the eye, s/he gonna be pissed off.

Oh dear. Victim blaming.

Please explain? Huh

People shouldn't hit people. (except for playing spotto on a long drive).

If woman is verbally abusive man needs to go for a walk.
If woman is physically abusive to a man he needs to defend himself then leave her (if it's a regular thing).

Ah - so he CAN hit a woman in certain circumstances, i.e. self-defence? What would you consider would be the probable outcome of intervention of the forces of law under our current paradigm (review my posts and you will see that is part of the problem and not of the solution today)?

A lady I know, separated from her husband, went to HER home (she contributed the majority to is purchase), knocked and said she wanted some things - he had his new girlfriend there one week after separation and slammed the door in her face..... she retaliated by kicking the sh1t out of the girlfriend's car, he came out and grabbed her, bruising her wrist and she retaliated by giving him a black eye.

Get back to me for the outcome.... who - in this situation, is the victim and which the perpetrator? Who is guilty and of what? (let's play Hypothetical for a moment and see, eh?)

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Re: It's OK to hit women
Reply #57 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 12:40pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:53am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:46am:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:42am:

Gordon wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 10:14am:

Aussie wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 8:50pm:

John Smith wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 6:42pm:

it's never ok to hit a woman ...

but grabbing them by the pussy is perfectly fine Cheesy

So you'll stand there and let a woman stab you or brain you with a rolling pin or frying pan?

Good luck. Maybe every home should have mandatory CCTV fitted so the truth about domestic disputes can come out.

I'd go with that.

No-one will ever convince me that the Little Woman always has clean hands and that the Hubby Bully Boy struck out for no good reason.

Everyone needs to understand that, whoever you are, if you poke a bear in the eye, s/he gonna be pissed off.

Oh dear. Victim blaming.

Please explain? Huh

People shouldn't hit people. (except for playing spotto on a long drive).

If woman is verbally abusive man needs to go for a walk.
If woman is physically abusive to a man he needs to defend himself then leave her (if it's a regular thing).

Ah - so he CAN hit a woman in certain circumstances, i.e. self-defence? What would you consider would be the probable outcome of intervention of the forces of law under our current paradigm (review my posts and you will see that is part of the problem and not of the solution today)?

A lady I know, separated from her husband, went to HER home (she contributed the majority to is purchase), knocked and said she wanted some things - he had his new girlfriend there one week after separation and slammed the door in her face..... she retaliated by kicking the sh1t out of the girlfriend's car, he came out and grabbed her, bruising her wrist and she retaliated by giving him a black eye.

Get back to me for the outcome.... who - in this situation, is the victim and which the perpetrator? Who is guilty and of what? (let's play Hypothetical for a moment and see, eh?)

Defence needs to be proportional and yes I know the deck is stacked against the man but that's because more often than not, the man is to blame for the physical side, even if they have been psychologically assaulted/provoked.

In your case, he should have just videod her kicking the crap out of the car/door and called 911

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Re: It's OK to hit women
Reply #58 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 12:43pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

cods wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:00pm:

"It's OK to hit women"

Are you going to do gaol time for me, Gordon?

it shouldnt be ok to hit anyone... Angry

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Tell that to my ex next time she gets upset over something.... and punches me while I'm driving or something...

There will be a time when the only recourse is to resort to violence.
If my family or myself are in danger, I will not hesitate to strike and strike hard.

But hitting a child with vicious intent, or a man hitting a woman simply shows that he is not a man.
If a woman attacks a man, block the strike and walk away.

There is no need to strike someone smaller and weaker, unless you are a cowardly muzzo, that is.

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Re: It's OK to hit women
Reply #59 - Apr 15^th, 2017 at 12:48pm

Valkie wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 12:43pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:41am:

cods wrote on Apr 15^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Apr 14^th, 2017 at 9:00pm:

"It's OK to hit women"

Are you going to do gaol time for me, Gordon?

it shouldnt be ok to hit anyone... Angry

+20

Tell that to my ex next time she gets upset over something.... and punches me while I'm driving or something...

There will be a time when the only recourse is to resort to violence.
If my family or myself are in danger, I will not hesitate to strike and strike hard.

But hitting a child with vicious intent, or a man hitting a woman simply shows that he is not a man.
If a woman attacks a man, block the strike and walk away.

There is no need to strike someone smaller and weaker, unless you are a cowardly muzzo, that is.

That is the ethos I instilled in my children.... both do just that... same as I did in my security guy days.... in other circumstances of confrontation, I would walk away giving the other person one chance.... they follow and continue at their peril...

BTW I have been described by a Commando officer as 'gentle' - correct - gentle does not mean weak, it means measured response when necessary.

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