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Reply #30 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:06am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 2:29pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

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Wish there was an ignore user option.

You prefer the ignore brain facility instead?

why dont you tell us all over again how you dont believe in the moon landings or how you think the sun isnt a fusion reactor. I presume you are a flat-earther, right? It would be consistent.

Sheesh! How many times do I have to tell you. Its mountainous here.

Please show me any postings in which I have denied the moon landings. Or as we know you have run out of ways to try to discredit posters.

Your poor Mum must be saying "where did I go wrong".

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Reply #31 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:14am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

One of the major problems we have today is that government lie to us so much that we never know if they are telling the truth ?

The real problem is that you believe that. In Russia or the like, that would be true. In Australia and most other first-world countries it is NOT true. Yes, they obsfucate at ties and other times, pollies do lie. The problem is that you take note of their lies and mentally record them but the vast majority of the time when they tell the truth you forget.

Perhaps it is time to realise the difference between political-speak and actual lies.

The real problem is that you believe that.

Now you want to backpedal from your 3 year campaign against Gillard's supposed Lie ?

You want to say that Iraq really did have WMD's ?

How about children really were thrown overboard ?

Tony Abbott really didn't cut the ABC or SBS didn't remove funding from Health pensioners or education ?

Many of the statements made and election promises were not just political speak.

The point is that there are enough untruths in the mix that you never really know.

you've just quoted 4 examples from over 10 years. That's my point. It's not that pollies dont lie but they dont lie all the time as you are presuming. When Putin talks (or TRump) the assumption is that he is lying because his lips are moving. But most other pollies in the west do in fact tell the truth or a sanitised version much of the time. The reason why crazies believe the 'fake news' nonsense is because other people (like you) continually reinforce their paranoia with statements like yours. Feel free to criticise are critically assess what pollies say, but to assume they lie most of the time is simply false - except for Trump. Most politicians are not literally suffering from mental illness that leads them to pathologically lie, not even Gillard.

One resulted in us being involved in an illegal invasion, they were all relatively important issues and they represent not much more than the tip of the iceberg.

Besides it is enough to make people doubt the politicians, as you point out the bigger the issue the more likely that it isn't true.

That is not at all what I said, in fact, quite the contrary. WMDs and Children overboard werent 'lies', they were ERRORS, which is a big, massive enormous difference. You have to disentangle people saying things they believe to be true but arent and lying. They two are very different. Gillard for instance, KNEW there would be a carbon tax. Howard did not know children overboard was false. He was reporting what he was told, ergo, not a lie.

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Re: US makes up stories then ATTACK
Reply #32 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:16am

Richdude wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 2:29pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

:Thread Ignored:

Wish there was an ignore user option.

You prefer the ignore brain facility instead?

why dont you tell us all over again how you dont believe in the moon landings or how you think the sun isnt a fusion reactor. I presume you are a flat-earther, right? It would be consistent.

Sheesh! How many times do I have to tell you. Its mountainous here.

Please show me any postings in which I have denied the moon landings. Or as we know you have run out of ways to try to discredit posters.

Your poor Mum must be saying "where did I go wrong".

You are a toil-foil hat wearer. You dispute 911, pretty much everything else about the world and what sane person would dispute 'flat-earth' by saying it is mountainous? A proper non-flat-earther would simply say the earth is spherical.

flat-earther!

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Re: US makes up stories then ATTACK
Reply #33 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:16am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

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Wish there was an ignore user option.

KangAnon wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 11:32pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

:Thread Ignored:

Wish there was an ignore user option.

You prefer the ignore brain facility instead?

Light has turned this thread into one of many that he cross posts the same bullshit videos into, over and over until someone agrees.

Tell me you're not that someone?

How embarrassing for you.

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Reply #34 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 2:13am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:16am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 2:29pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

:Thread Ignored:

Wish there was an ignore user option.

You prefer the ignore brain facility instead?

why dont you tell us all over again how you dont believe in the moon landings or how you think the sun isnt a fusion reactor. I presume you are a flat-earther, right? It would be consistent.

Sheesh! How many times do I have to tell you. Its mountainous here.

Please show me any postings in which I have denied the moon landings. Or as we know you have run out of ways to try to discredit posters.

Your poor Mum must be saying "where did I go wrong".

You are a

toil-foil hat

wearer. You dispute 911, pretty much everything else about the world and what sane person would dispute 'flat-earth' by saying it is mountainous? A proper non-flat-earther would simply say the earth is spherical.

flat-earther!

A toil foil hat - havent heard of those! Grin

No!

Let me straighten you out.

Insanity is when you discredit someone because there opinions and thus lifes experiences differ from your own - which is living in your Mum's basement.

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it_is_the_light Gold Member Offline Christ Light Posts: 41434 The Pyramid of LIGHT Gender:	Re: US makes up stories then ATTACK Reply #35 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 7:07am even weakenders beloved news source cannot deny truth and fact in some instances ... gulf of tonkin lies exposed along with many other lies .. "Hubris" (Full Film) Iraq War Documentary - Rachel Maddow (02-18-2013) Irak war lies - Documentary
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KangAnon Gold Member Online The Sandstorm is coming 🎵Doo doo doo doo🎵 Posts: 17902 Mianjin (Brisbane)	Re: US makes up stories then ATTACK Reply #36 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 8:37am See what I mean ^^^
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Re: US makes up stories then ATTACK
Reply #37 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 9:09am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:14am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

One of the major problems we have today is that government lie to us so much that we never know if they are telling the truth ?

The real problem is that you believe that. In Russia or the like, that would be true. In Australia and most other first-world countries it is NOT true. Yes, they obsfucate at ties and other times, pollies do lie. The problem is that you take note of their lies and mentally record them but the vast majority of the time when they tell the truth you forget.

Perhaps it is time to realise the difference between political-speak and actual lies.

The real problem is that you believe that.

Now you want to backpedal from your 3 year campaign against Gillard's supposed Lie ?

You want to say that Iraq really did have WMD's ?

How about children really were thrown overboard ?

Tony Abbott really didn't cut the ABC or SBS didn't remove funding from Health pensioners or education ?

Many of the statements made and election promises were not just political speak.

The point is that there are enough untruths in the mix that you never really know.

you've just quoted 4 examples from over 10 years. That's my point. It's not that pollies dont lie but they dont lie all the time as you are presuming. When Putin talks (or TRump) the assumption is that he is lying because his lips are moving. But most other pollies in the west do in fact tell the truth or a sanitised version much of the time. The reason why crazies believe the 'fake news' nonsense is because other people (like you) continually reinforce their paranoia with statements like yours. Feel free to criticise are critically assess what pollies say, but to assume they lie most of the time is simply false - except for Trump. Most politicians are not literally suffering from mental illness that leads them to pathologically lie, not even Gillard.

One resulted in us being involved in an illegal invasion, they were all relatively important issues and they represent not much more than the tip of the iceberg.

Besides it is enough to make people doubt the politicians, as you point out the bigger the issue the more likely that it isn't true.

That is not at all what I said, in fact, quite the contrary. WMDs and Children overboard werent 'lies', they were ERRORS, which is a big, massive enormous difference. You have to disentangle people saying things they believe to be true but arent and lying. They two are very different. Gillard for instance, KNEW there would be a carbon tax. Howard did not know children overboard was false. He was reporting what he was told, ergo, not a lie.

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WMDs and Children overboard werent 'lies', they were ERRORS, which is a big, massive enormous difference.

They were both clear and direct lies. Howard continued to claim children were thrown overboard long after he knew that it wasn't the truth.

In justifying the Iraq invasion Howard claimed to have seen evidence that WMD's existed. At that time Australian agencies were saying that they didn't know so the assumption was that the USA had provided Howard with this proof. However after the war was over the US eventually admitted that they never had any evidence.

Clearly Howard had told us a Lie to justify an illegal invasion. Neither of these were ambiguous, errors, mistakes or misunderstandings.

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Reply #38 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 9:11am

Donald Trump got it right about Fake News from the mainstream outlets. Trump is like a breath of fresh air. But you always know what is the 'real state of play' with Trump.

He is an agent of change and he will; make America Great again dragging those whining screaming antagonists along with him and creating a better and more honest America

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Reply #39 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 9:13am

red baron wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 9:11am:

Donald Trump got it right about Fake News from the mainstream outlets. Trump is like a breath of fresh air. But you always know what is the 'real state of play' with Trump.

He is an agent of change and he will; make America Great again dragging those whining screaming antagonists along with him and creating a better and more honest America

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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: US makes up stories then ATTACK Reply #40 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 9:30am Happy Easter Gregg....Karl Stefanovic huh?...,that says a lot Posting up that airhead dovetails with the all the prawns who can't recognise a powerful and honest agent of change when they see one Much better back in the days of that soft cock Obama who said a lot but did stuff all
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Reply #41 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 9:34am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:14am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

One of the major problems we have today is that government lie to us so much that we never know if they are telling the truth ?

The real problem is that you believe that. In Russia or the like, that would be true. In Australia and most other first-world countries it is NOT true. Yes, they obsfucate at ties and other times, pollies do lie. The problem is that you take note of their lies and mentally record them but the vast majority of the time when they tell the truth you forget.

Perhaps it is time to realise the difference between political-speak and actual lies.

The real problem is that you believe that.

Now you want to backpedal from your 3 year campaign against Gillard's supposed Lie ?

You want to say that Iraq really did have WMD's ?

How about children really were thrown overboard ?

Tony Abbott really didn't cut the ABC or SBS didn't remove funding from Health pensioners or education ?

Many of the statements made and election promises were not just political speak.

The point is that there are enough untruths in the mix that you never really know.

you've just quoted 4 examples from over 10 years. That's my point. It's not that pollies dont lie but they dont lie all the time as you are presuming. When Putin talks (or TRump) the assumption is that he is lying because his lips are moving. But most other pollies in the west do in fact tell the truth or a sanitised version much of the time. The reason why crazies believe the 'fake news' nonsense is because other people (like you) continually reinforce their paranoia with statements like yours. Feel free to criticise are critically assess what pollies say, but to assume they lie most of the time is simply false - except for Trump. Most politicians are not literally suffering from mental illness that leads them to pathologically lie, not even Gillard.

One resulted in us being involved in an illegal invasion, they were all relatively important issues and they represent not much more than the tip of the iceberg.

Besides it is enough to make people doubt the politicians, as you point out the bigger the issue the more likely that it isn't true.

That is not at all what I said, in fact, quite the contrary. WMDs and Children overboard werent 'lies', they were ERRORS, which is a big, massive enormous difference. You have to disentangle people saying things they believe to be true but arent and lying. They two are very different. Gillard for instance, KNEW there would be a carbon tax. Howard did not know children overboard was false. He was reporting what he was told, ergo, not a lie.

Gillard for instance, KNEW there would be a carbon tax.

This is really dumb, Gillard was the exception in that group, she obviously didn't believe that her agreement with the Greens was a tax and for the first few weeks she argued that it wasn't a tax. She was wrong of course but it was an understandable error. She fought with Alan Jones on the point and it seems that soon after was told that she was wrong and went on to admit it. This Howard never managed to do but Abbott was a little better.

It seems that it would have been easy to assume that a Tax was going to look like the one that Tony Abbott had recommended, tax at fuel pumps tax in the power bill etc. This was nothing like the Abbott tax. In fact her scheme could have easily been implemented in a way where it would not have been a tax. Most of the rabid posters here never had any idea what type of tax it was or why it was a tax when it looked and acted nothing like a tax.

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Reply #42 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 10:48am

Richdude wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 2:13am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:16am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:06am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 2:29pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 12:13pm:

KangAnon wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 10:03am:

:Thread Ignored:

Wish there was an ignore user option.

You prefer the ignore brain facility instead?

why dont you tell us all over again how you dont believe in the moon landings or how you think the sun isnt a fusion reactor. I presume you are a flat-earther, right? It would be consistent.

Sheesh! How many times do I have to tell you. Its mountainous here.

Please show me any postings in which I have denied the moon landings. Or as we know you have run out of ways to try to discredit posters.

Your poor Mum must be saying "where did I go wrong".

You are a

toil-foil hat

wearer. You dispute 911, pretty much everything else about the world and what sane person would dispute 'flat-earth' by saying it is mountainous? A proper non-flat-earther would simply say the earth is spherical.

flat-earther!

A toil foil hat - havent heard of those! Grin

No!

Let me straighten you out.

Insanity is when you discredit someone because there opinions and thus lifes experiences differ from your own - which is living in your Mum's basement.

that might be YOUR definition of insanity, tinfoil-hat, but it isnt a correct one. ONe definition of insanity is to diebeleive anything unless you personally can prove it.

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Reply #43 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 10:49am

Dnarever wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 9:09am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:14am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

One of the major problems we have today is that government lie to us so much that we never know if they are telling the truth ?

The real problem is that you believe that. In Russia or the like, that would be true. In Australia and most other first-world countries it is NOT true. Yes, they obsfucate at ties and other times, pollies do lie. The problem is that you take note of their lies and mentally record them but the vast majority of the time when they tell the truth you forget.

Perhaps it is time to realise the difference between political-speak and actual lies.

The real problem is that you believe that.

Now you want to backpedal from your 3 year campaign against Gillard's supposed Lie ?

You want to say that Iraq really did have WMD's ?

How about children really were thrown overboard ?

Tony Abbott really didn't cut the ABC or SBS didn't remove funding from Health pensioners or education ?

Many of the statements made and election promises were not just political speak.

The point is that there are enough untruths in the mix that you never really know.

you've just quoted 4 examples from over 10 years. That's my point. It's not that pollies dont lie but they dont lie all the time as you are presuming. When Putin talks (or TRump) the assumption is that he is lying because his lips are moving. But most other pollies in the west do in fact tell the truth or a sanitised version much of the time. The reason why crazies believe the 'fake news' nonsense is because other people (like you) continually reinforce their paranoia with statements like yours. Feel free to criticise are critically assess what pollies say, but to assume they lie most of the time is simply false - except for Trump. Most politicians are not literally suffering from mental illness that leads them to pathologically lie, not even Gillard.

One resulted in us being involved in an illegal invasion, they were all relatively important issues and they represent not much more than the tip of the iceberg.

Besides it is enough to make people doubt the politicians, as you point out the bigger the issue the more likely that it isn't true.

That is not at all what I said, in fact, quite the contrary. WMDs and Children overboard werent 'lies', they were ERRORS, which is a big, massive enormous difference. You have to disentangle people saying things they believe to be true but arent and lying. They two are very different. Gillard for instance, KNEW there would be a carbon tax. Howard did not know children overboard was false. He was reporting what he was told, ergo, not a lie.

Quote:

WMDs and Children overboard werent 'lies', they were ERRORS, which is a big, massive enormous difference.

They were both clear and direct lies. Howard continued to claim children were thrown overboard long after he knew that it wasn't the truth.

In justifying the Iraq invasion Howard claimed to have seen evidence that WMD's existed. At that time Australian agencies were saying that they didn't know so the assumption was that the USA had provided Howard with this proof. However after the war was over the US eventually admitted that they never had any evidence.

Clearly Howard had told us a Lie to justify an illegal invasion. Neither of these were ambiguous, errors, mistakes or misunderstandings.

you are absolutely missing the point and simply returning to one of your arguing points from years ago. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is that pollies (except Trump) are NOT pathological liars.

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Reply #44 - Apr 17^th, 2017 at 11:15am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 10:49am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 9:09am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 17^th, 2017 at 12:14am:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:21pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 7:16pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:57pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 6:36pm:

Dnarever wrote on Apr 16^th, 2017 at 1:59pm:

One of the major problems we have today is that government lie to us so much that we never know if they are telling the truth ?

The real problem is that you believe that. In Russia or the like, that would be true. In Australia and most other first-world countries it is NOT true. Yes, they obsfucate at ties and other times, pollies do lie. The problem is that you take note of their lies and mentally record them but the vast majority of the time when they tell the truth you forget.

Perhaps it is time to realise the difference between political-speak and actual lies.

The real problem is that you believe that.

Now you want to backpedal from your 3 year campaign against Gillard's supposed Lie ?

You want to say that Iraq really did have WMD's ?

How about children really were thrown overboard ?

Tony Abbott really didn't cut the ABC or SBS didn't remove funding from Health pensioners or education ?

Many of the statements made and election promises were not just political speak.

The point is that there are enough untruths in the mix that you never really know.

you've just quoted 4 examples from over 10 years. That's my point. It's not that pollies dont lie but they dont lie all the time as you are presuming. When Putin talks (or TRump) the assumption is that he is lying because his lips are moving. But most other pollies in the west do in fact tell the truth or a sanitised version much of the time. The reason why crazies believe the 'fake news' nonsense is because other people (like you) continually reinforce their paranoia with statements like yours. Feel free to criticise are critically assess what pollies say, but to assume they lie most of the time is simply false - except for Trump. Most politicians are not literally suffering from mental illness that leads them to pathologically lie, not even Gillard.

One resulted in us being involved in an illegal invasion, they were all relatively important issues and they represent not much more than the tip of the iceberg.

Besides it is enough to make people doubt the politicians, as you point out the bigger the issue the more likely that it isn't true.

That is not at all what I said, in fact, quite the contrary. WMDs and Children overboard werent 'lies', they were ERRORS, which is a big, massive enormous difference. You have to disentangle people saying things they believe to be true but arent and lying. They two are very different. Gillard for instance, KNEW there would be a carbon tax. Howard did not know children overboard was false. He was reporting what he was told, ergo, not a lie.

Quote:

WMDs and Children overboard werent 'lies', they were ERRORS, which is a big, massive enormous difference.

They were both clear and direct lies. Howard continued to claim children were thrown overboard long after he knew that it wasn't the truth.

In justifying the Iraq invasion Howard claimed to have seen evidence that WMD's existed. At that time Australian agencies were saying that they didn't know so the assumption was that the USA had provided Howard with this proof. However after the war was over the US eventually admitted that they never had any evidence.

Clearly Howard had told us a Lie to justify an illegal invasion. Neither of these were ambiguous, errors, mistakes or misunderstandings.

you are absolutely missing the point and simply returning to one of your arguing points from years ago. THAT IS NOT THE ISSUE. The issue is that pollies (except Trump) are NOT pathological liars.

They don't need to be pathological liars to not be trusted, In Howards case it was a steady stream of lies but some others just occasional however the point is that as soon as their is the genuine knowledge that the Prime Minister has told lies you never know for sure if the current issue is the next one. This current story is a prime example - I have no idea if this is genuine or not, there is no reliable evidence so far to let people judge the issue.

However for mine the response seemed a bit quick to have been fully researched which means that if they got it right it may have had as much to do with luck as anything else and that their is a relatively high probability that they didn't get it right.

This is more likely not about direct lies just getting it wrong. If they were wrong they will very likely defend it with lies.

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