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Reply #135 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:34pm

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 9:07am:

How do YOU tell one from another bwian?

By their actions, Geoff, by their actions. How do you tell one from the other? Or do you just lump them all in together like all the Islamophobes? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

oh dear you know I don't lump them all together bwian... so stop with the lies eh... libel someone else for a change.
So if we have to wait for their actions bwian you expect us to all die or be maimed before we do anything about them then eh?
Good o.... Here's hoping you will be the last one it happens to then before we have a real solution... since you actually have none.

Actually, I am hoping that we check on their beliefs and their actions before they hurt anybody, Geoff. That doesn't mean they need to be persecuted, just that they need to be checked occasionally to make sure they aren't mixing with the wrong sorts of preachers, the wrong sorts of recruiters, the wrong web sites, and so on. You could be one of their examiners, if you like. It'd mean you'd need to meet Muslims and talk to them as human beings (under supervision of course Wink

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Reply #136 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 11:05pm:

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

We are at a cold war with Islamofascists.

Better??

"Islamofacism" is an invented word created by George W. Bush. It has no bearing outside of what the Right should be calling "Islamism". Islamism is not fascist in the slightest. Tsk, tsk, Soren, are you sure that English isn't your second language? Roll Eyes

Good point. The head hacking isn't Islamofascim. It is Islam.

It is one version of Islam, FD, as you are well aware. Tell me, why don't you ever differentiate between Islamists and Moderates? Too hard? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Too hard - exactly.

You can never accurately tell the difference between the head hacker and the moderate wife beaters. Islam has cornered the religiously motivated deception market: kitman, taqiyya, straight out lying. Islam has codified deception and elevated it to a religious principle.

And so it is not believed. No surprises there. Nobody speak for Islam so it's all a lie.

There is never any clarity about the basic principles of an Islam. Shifting sands of Araby is what characterises any and all discussion with a Muslim.

"Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me" is not for your Allahu Akhbaring chappie.

Islam - sand through you fingers. Nothing should be believed about it. It must be judged solely by its effects- disastrous, calamitious, terrible.

Islam has not one single positive effect on the world today.

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Johnnie Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 12485 Gender:	Re: Close down all the Mosques. Reply #137 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 7:01pm God help us all if this religion gets a foothold.
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Close down all the Mosques. Reply #138 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 10:54pm Seems to have more than a foothold in bwian's head
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Re: Close down all the Mosques.
Reply #139 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 12:40am

Frank wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 6:56pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 11:05pm:

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 7:14pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

We are at a cold war with Islamofascists.

Better??

"Islamofacism" is an invented word created by George W. Bush. It has no bearing outside of what the Right should be calling "Islamism". Islamism is not fascist in the slightest. Tsk, tsk, Soren, are you sure that English isn't your second language? Roll Eyes

Good point. The head hacking isn't Islamofascim. It is Islam.

It is one version of Islam, FD, as you are well aware. Tell me, why don't you ever differentiate between Islamists and Moderates? Too hard? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

Too hard - exactly.

You can never accurately tell the difference between the head hacker and the moderate wife beaters. Islam has cornered the religiously motivated deception market: kitman, taqiyya, straight out lying. Islam has codified deception and elevated it to a religious principle.

And so it is not believed. No surprises there. Nobody speak for Islam so it's all a lie.

There is never any clarity about the basic principles of an Islam. Shifting sands of Araby is what characterises any and all discussion with a Muslim.

"Here I stand; I can do no other. God help me" is not for your Allahu Akhbaring chappie.

Islam - sand through you fingers. Nothing should be believed about it. It must be judged solely by its effects- disastrous, calamitious, terrible.

Islam has not one single positive effect on the world today.

Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Poor, poor, Soren. Move along folks, more along. Nothing new to see here, just Soren's tired old Islamophobia. Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Close down all the Mosques. Reply #140 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 12:54am Johnnie wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 7:01pm: God help us all if this religion gets a foothold. we will decisively win the next crusade and that will be the finish of Islam.
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Re: Close down all the Mosques.
Reply #141 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 3:03am

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 9:07am:

How do YOU tell one from another bwian?

By their actions, Geoff, by their actions. How do you tell one from the other? Or do you just lump them all in together like all the Islamophobes? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

oh dear you know I don't lump them all together bwian... so stop with the lies eh... libel someone else for a change.
So if we have to wait for their actions bwian you expect us to all die or be maimed before we do anything about them then eh?
Good o.... Here's hoping you will be the last one it happens to then before we have a real solution... since you actually have none.

Actually, I am hoping that we check on their beliefs and their actions before they hurt anybody, Geoff. That doesn't mean they need to be persecuted, just that they need to be checked occasionally to make sure they aren't mixing with the wrong sorts of preachers, the wrong sorts of recruiters, the wrong web sites, and so on. You could be one of their examiners, if you like. It'd mean you'd need to meet Muslims and talk to them as human beings (under supervision of course Wink

).

What would you talk about?

A short stilted conversation about the weather all the while desperately trying to find an exit before the prolonged uncomfortable silence kicked in. Grin

Maybe point out they are cretins and their beliefs are based on nothing but childish delusions like every other religion. That should bring it to an end tuit suite.

What makes a great enemy, is having absolutely nothing in common and no reason to get together on a regular basis, and the fact they are religious loons would add to the conflict.

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Re: Close down all the Mosques.
Reply #142 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 9:47am

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 9:07am:

How do YOU tell one from another bwian?

By their actions, Geoff, by their actions. How do you tell one from the other? Or do you just lump them all in together like all the Islamophobes? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

oh dear you know I don't lump them all together bwian... so stop with the lies eh... libel someone else for a change.
So if we have to wait for their actions bwian you expect us to all die or be maimed before we do anything about them then eh?
Good o.... Here's hoping you will be the last one it happens to then before we have a real solution... since you actually have none.

Actually, I am hoping that we check on their beliefs and their actions before they hurt anybody, Geoff. That doesn't mean they need to be persecuted, just that they need to be checked occasionally to make sure they aren't mixing with the wrong sorts of preachers, the wrong sorts of recruiters, the wrong web sites, and so on. You could be one of their examiners, if you like. It'd mean you'd need to meet Muslims and talk to them as human beings (under supervision of course Wink

).

Really bwian? Roll Eyes

Do stop the flaming and crap for one post every now and again. I have good Muslim friends and as I have posted many times over the years bwian the west have had many Muslim heroes...
You already made 1 pathetic apology bwian... you lack the courage and honesty it seems to keep to your word no matter how weak it was in the first place... proving what a lying hypocrite you are time and time again bwian.
Your idea btw is stupid. You yourself said you cannot tell if they are terrorists until they act. So now you expect our free society to become a form of 1984 and DISCRIMINATE against Muslims and interfere in their lives on a daily basis to monitor their every action, and thought.... gee, you've been radicalised bwian Grin

Easier just to not let them in in the first place and deport those we can who refuse to fit in and threaten innocent people.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136432 Gender:	Re: Close down all the Mosques. Reply #143 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 9:48am Johnnie wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 7:01pm: God help us all if this religion gets a foothold. God help us?
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Reply #144 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 4:10pm

BigOl64 wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 3:03am:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 5:34pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:55pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 1:38pm:

Grendel wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 9:07am:

How do YOU tell one from another bwian?

By their actions, Geoff, by their actions. How do you tell one from the other? Or do you just lump them all in together like all the Islamophobes? Mmmm? Roll Eyes

oh dear you know I don't lump them all together bwian... so stop with the lies eh... libel someone else for a change.
So if we have to wait for their actions bwian you expect us to all die or be maimed before we do anything about them then eh?
Good o.... Here's hoping you will be the last one it happens to then before we have a real solution... since you actually have none.

Actually, I am hoping that we check on their beliefs and their actions before they hurt anybody, Geoff. That doesn't mean they need to be persecuted, just that they need to be checked occasionally to make sure they aren't mixing with the wrong sorts of preachers, the wrong sorts of recruiters, the wrong web sites, and so on. You could be one of their examiners, if you like. It'd mean you'd need to meet Muslims and talk to them as human beings (under supervision of course Wink

).

What would you talk about?

A short stilted conversation about the weather all the while desperately trying to find an exit before the prolonged uncomfortable silence kicked in. Grin

Maybe point out they are cretins and their beliefs are based on nothing but childish delusions like every other religion. That should bring it to an end tuit suite.

What makes a great enemy, is having absolutely nothing in common and no reason to get together on a regular basis, and the fact they are religious loons would add to the conflict.

Oh, poor, poor, BigOl64. I wonder, when was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue and asked them difficult questions about their belief system? What about the actions of their fellow religionists? How about what the Israelis have done in Israel to peaceful Palestinians? Tsk, tsk, when you give us a report back on how you've been welcomed with open arms and your pointed criticisms have been acted on, I might be prepared to listen to you a bit more fully. Until then, I'll just put this down as Islamopobia, OK? Roll Eyes

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Reply #145 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 4:17pm

Grendel wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 9:47am:

Really bwian? Roll Eyes

Do stop the flaming and crap for one post every now and again. I have good Muslim friends and as I have posted many times over the years bwian the west have had many Muslim heroes...

Gee, really? Care to name a few for us, Geoff? I'd be interested to see what you come up with... Roll Eyes

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You already made 1 pathetic apology bwian... you lack the courage and honesty it seems to keep to your word no matter how weak it was in the first place... proving what a lying hypocrite you are time and time again bwian.

Oh, dear, why then the need to misquote me in your signature all the time, Geoff? Didn't you like the apology you received? You only provided one post from 10 years ago. So, what you been saying in the meantime? Mmm? Not much supporting Muslims from my recollections. A great deal criticising them and lumping moderates with extremists. Funny that, hey? Islamophobe.

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Your idea btw is stupid. You yourself said you cannot tell if they are terrorists until they act.

That confirms if they are Terrorists, Geoff. However, before that, they are quite willing to express their views on what they believe is right or wrong, now don't they? You, by your own admission belief they should all be treated the same, all lumped together. Funny how you were silent during "the Troubles" in Ireland and the Balkan Wars.... Funny that. Roll Eyes

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So now you expect our free society to become a form of 1984 and DISCRIMINATE against Muslims and interfere in their lives on a daily basis to monitor their every action, and thought.... gee, you've been radicalised bwian Grin

Easier just to not let them in in the first place and deport those we can who refuse to fit in and threaten innocent people.

Ah, yet again we see Geoff's wonderful strawman erection skills at work. Problem is, I specifically said, "no persecution". Persecution is how 1984 functions. Tsk, tsk. Shot down again it seems. Oh, dearie, dearie, me. Roll Eyes

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Reply #146 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 5:38pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 4:10pm:

Oh, poor, poor, BigOl64. I wonder, when was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue and asked them difficult questions about their belief system? What about the actions of their fellow religionists? How about what the Israelis have done in Israel to peaceful Palestinians? Tsk, tsk, when you give us a report back on how you've been welcomed with open arms and your pointed criticisms have been acted on, I might be prepared to listen to you a bit more fully. Until then, I'll just put this down as Islamopobia, OK? Roll Eyes

Er... they appoint peaceful Palestinians to the Israeli Supreme Court, they elect them to Parliament, they become high ranking soldiers in the IDF, etc.

In a word, thrive- peaceful Palestinians thrive in Israel.

How many Jewish parliamentarians are in Arab countries? generals, judges?? None. There are hardly any Jews and Christians left in Arab countries. Muslim Judeophobia and Christianophobia and 'Wrong Muslim phobia" and the active, widespread, murderous persecution of Jews and Chrisrians and 'apostates' is nothing short of what the worst Nazis stood for.

So, enough of the mindless parroting of Islamophobia. There is no Islamophobia, except perhaps in places like India or Africa. In the West, there is criticism of Islam, Islamic ideas, culture, values. Muslims are not killed in the West for being Muslim - Jews, Christians, apostates, kuffars, on the other hand, ARE being killed and jailed and persecuted in 'Muslim lands'.

Focus on that Brian. That's where the real problems are, that's where blood is spilled.

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Reply #147 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 6:39pm

Frank wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 5:38pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 3^rd, 2017 at 4:10pm:

Oh, poor, poor, BigOl64. I wonder, when was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue and asked them difficult questions about their belief system? What about the actions of their fellow religionists? How about what the Israelis have done in Israel to peaceful Palestinians? Tsk, tsk, when you give us a report back on how you've been welcomed with open arms and your pointed criticisms have been acted on, I might be prepared to listen to you a bit more fully. Until then, I'll just put this down as Islamopobia, OK? Roll Eyes

Er... they appoint peaceful Palestinians to the Israeli Supreme Court, they elect them to Parliament, they become high ranking soldiers in the IDF, etc.

In a word, thrive- peaceful Palestinians thrive in Israel.

Do they? Funny way of "thriving"... Roll Eyes

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How many Jewish parliamentarians are in Arab countries? generals, judges?? None. There are hardly any Jews and Christians left in Arab countries. Muslim Judeophobia and Christianophobia and 'Wrong Muslim phobia" and the active, widespread, murderous persecution of Jews and Chrisrians and 'apostates' is nothing short of what the worst Nazis stood for.

So, enough of the mindless parroting of Islamophobia. There is no Islamophobia, except perhaps in places like India or Africa. In the West, there is criticism of Islam, Islamic ideas, culture, values. Muslims are not killed in the West for being Muslim - Jews, Christians, apostates, kuffars, on the other hand, ARE being killed and jailed and persecuted in 'Muslim lands'.

Focus on that Brian. That's where the real problems are, that's where blood is spilled.

That is over there, Soren. I'm talking about over here. When was the last time you went into a Christian Church or a Jewish Synagogue to criticise the religion that owns the building? Mmm? Tsk, tsk, never, ever, of course. Naughty, Soren... Roll Eyes

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Reply #148 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 7:11pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:56pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

Bobby. wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 1:04pm:

Gandalf - so do you agree with Marine Le Pen?

Le Pen called for:

the closure of all "Islamist" mosques in France,

the expulsion of hate preachers and

the reinstatement of French borders.

People on the French security services' watch list for radicalization should also be expelled from France and

have their French citizenship revoked, she said.

You'd think that Gandalf would have an opinion on this -
but no - he runs away.

Gandalf has a life outside this forum.

On the face of it, these seem fairly sensible policies. But of course like all populists, she is light on the details.

How would you go about identifying which Mosques to close down Gandalf?

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 103137 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Close down all the Mosques. Reply #149 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 7:17pm FD Quote: How would you go about identifying which Mosques to close down Gandalf? Hi FD, Gandalf will never answer that. In any case - according to the Polls - Le Pen will lose.
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