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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #15 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:15am freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm: I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does. well fd you are concentrating on those violent bits...didnt god instruct Abraham to kill his son to prove his love of god..
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 140939 Gender:	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #16 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:20am freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm: I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does. Well, you'd be wrong. The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.
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Reply #17 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:05am

To borrow a phrase from one of our trolls "oh dearie dearie me tsk tsk".

Why do apologists for islam always quote the O.T. law when 2017 years ago it was abolished by Christ?

Luke 16:16 The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached , and every man presseth into it.

A clear cut time frame

Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

Gal 2:16 Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.

Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

The ancient Judaic law is finished, man for the last two thousand and seventeen years is justified by faith alone.

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Reply #18 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:18am

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:05am:

To borrow a phrase from one of our trolls "oh dearie dearie me tsk tsk".

Why do apologists for islam always quote the O.T. law when 2017 years ago it was abolished by Christ?

Freediver: "I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does."

Are you seriously suggesting that the OT is not a religious text?

I'm curious.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 140939 Gender:	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #20 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:59am ... wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:22am: Nothing even comes close to the Talmud, but those wily jews always get a free pass. So, apart from Judaic and Christian texts, none encourage violence to the extent that Islam does. Maybe that's what freediver meant to say.
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97274	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #21 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 12:17pm ... wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:22am: Nothing even comes close to the Talmud, but those wily jews always get a free pass. Well yes, but the question is, if the dastardly Muselman is compelled to rape and kill based on his evil book, then why not the Jew, who's book is far more sinister? Thoughts?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 140939 Gender:	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #22 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 12:36pm freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm: I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does. "An analysis into whether the Quran is more violent than the Bible found killing and destruction occur more frequently in the Christian texts than the Islamic."
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Reply #23 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 12:38pm

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:05am:

To borrow a phrase from one of our trolls "oh dearie dearie me tsk tsk".

Why do apologists for islam always quote the O.T. law when 2017 years ago it was abolished by Christ?

"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%)".

Dear o dear.

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Reply #24 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 12:52pm

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 5:23pm:

Auggie wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 10:02pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 25^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Meccan verses, Medina verses, use of this word in the Koran and that, this context and that, strike them doesn't mean strike them, kill them doesn't mean kill them - Islam is the compendium of dishonesty, double speak and sneaky lies. Islam has elevated the art of lying and deception to a religious level.
It is simply not possible to know when a Saracen is honest and when he is deceptive. It all sounds exactly the same. They have covered everything and the opposite of everything as god's honest truth. They are imply unable to be honest and true.

Islam and its followers are un-believable. You must, simply, not believe anything they say because they have said the opposite of it and every other point on the compass.

You're not gonna convince Muslims to reform by proposing that they abandon their religion. They just need to do away with the bad verses, and follow the good ones.

I don't believe in context - that's bullshit. The verses are wrong; that's it.

It would be easier to get them to abandon their religion. There is so much promotion of violence in the Koran that you would end up with confetti if you tried to edit it all out. Muslims will always have a motivation to go back to the real, original version, no matter how successful you are at reforming.

OK, so can you stop pretending you think its important for muslims to reform then?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #25 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 12:55pm

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

Yes, because FD knows the Quran so well.

Would you be willing to put money on their being more encouragement of violence in the Quran than in the Old Testament? Keeping in mind, of course, that you have read neither.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #26 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 1:56pm

greggerypeccary wrote Reply #23 - Today at 12:38pm

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"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%)".

Dear o dear.

Can you show where the teachings of Christ in the N.T. unequivocally urge his followers to slay and be slain, to borrow a colloquialism from islam?

In the same light can you show where Christ assured his followers rape was O.K. if the urge prevailed, as in islam?

can you show where Christ told his followers thieving was O.K. as muhammad taught?

Can you show where Christ taught lying was o.K. again as in islam and muhammad?

Can you show where Christ taught that any of his followers who actually did kill or were killed are a grade higher than those who don't, again as in islam?

Can you show where Christ taught that it is a Christian duty to torture and kill other Christians you think are corrupters and hypocrites, again as in islam?

Can you show where Christ deliberately lied in order to justify Christians deliberately slaughtering non believers, as muhammad and islam does?

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Reply #27 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 2:46pm

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Reply #23 - Today at 12:38pm

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"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%)".

Dear o dear.

Can you show where the teachings of Christ in the N.T. unequivocally urge his followers to slay and be slain, to borrow a colloquialism from islam?

In the same light can you show where Christ assured his followers rape was O.K. if the urge prevailed, as in islam?

can you show where Christ told his followers thieving was O.K. as muhammad taught?

Can you show where Christ taught lying was o.K. again as in islam and muhammad?

Can you show where Christ taught that any of his followers who actually did kill or were killed are a grade higher than those who don't, again as in islam?

Can you show where Christ taught that it is a Christian duty to torture and kill other Christians you think are corrupters and hypocrites, again as in islam?

Can you show where Christ deliberately lied in order to justify Christians deliberately slaughtering non believers, as muhammad and islam does?

Why do you want me to show you these things - are you planning something?

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Reply #28 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 2:51pm

had A Quick look at New Testament site from reply 23 of greggerypeccary

How did they come up with their stats?

from their site:

By categorising words into eight emotions - Joy, Anticipation, Anger, Disgust, Sadness, Surprise, Fear/Anxiety and Trust - the analysis found the Bible scored higher for anger and much lower for trust than the Quran.

They also state:

I must also reemphasize that this analysis is superficial and the findings are by no means intended to be conclusive

From the dictionary:

superficial adjective: Of little substance or significance

One of their links giving the results says:

eight primary human emotion categories: Joy, Anticipation, Anger, Disgust, Sadness, Surprise, Fear/Anxiety and Trust.

The analysis determined that of the three texts, the Old Testament was the “angriest,” which obviously does not appear to support an argument that the Quran is an especially violent text relative to the others.

Angriest?

What a load of crap.

They studiously avoided words / emotions depicting kill slay crucify torture etc., which the qur'an is full of and come up with their bullshit anti Christian stats.

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Reply #29 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 2:52pm

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 2:51pm:

had A Quick look at New Testament site from reply 23 of greggerypeccary

How did they come up with their stats?

from their site:

By categorising words into eight emotions - Joy, Anticipation, Anger, Disgust, Sadness, Surprise, Fear/Anxiety and Trust - the analysis found the Bible scored higher for anger and much lower for trust than the Quran.

They also state:

I must also reemphasize that this analysis is superficial and the findings are by no means intended to be conclusive

From the dictionary:

superficial adjective: Of little substance or significance

One of their links giving the results says:

eight primary human emotion categories: Joy, Anticipation, Anger, Disgust, Sadness, Surprise, Fear/Anxiety and Trust.

The analysis determined that of the three texts, the Old Testament was the “angriest,” which obviously does not appear to support an argument that the Quran is an especially violent text relative to the others.

Angriest?

What a load of crap.

They studiously avoided words / emotions depicting kill slay crucify torture etc., which the qur'an is full of and come up with their bullshit anti Christian stats.

Well, there you go.

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