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Reply #30 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 2:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

Yes, because FD knows the Quran so well.

Would you be willing to put money on their being more encouragement of violence in the Quran than in the Old Testament? Keeping in mind, of course, that you have read neither.

Is the Quran the only religious book that Muslims use? Im sure there are others, lets include them in the bet.

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Reply #31 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:00pm

rhino wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 2:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 12:55pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

Yes, because FD knows the Quran so well.

Would you be willing to put money on their being more encouragement of violence in the Quran than in the Old Testament? Keeping in mind, of course, that you have read neither.

Is the Quran the only religious book that Muslims use? Im sure there are others, lets include them in the bet.

Sure.

And we're also including the Old Testament, I assume.

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Reply #32 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:02pm

greggerypeccary Reply #27 - Today at 2:46pm

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Why do you want me to show you these things - are you planning something?

So you can't back up your words that The N.T. has more killing and destruction than the qur'an?

Don't worry I knew you wouldn't be able to.

Your backup site is a worthless piece of crap, gee they were really brave researching who was the angriest, weren't they?

Wonder why they didn't do some analysis of the present day atrocities being carried out by muslims who obey the qur'an to the letter?

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Reply #33 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:05pm

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Reply #23 - Today at 12:38pm

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"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%)".

Dear o dear.

Can you show where the teachings of Christ in the N.T. unequivocally urge his followers to slay and be slain, to borrow a colloquialism from islam?

In the same light can you show where Christ assured his followers rape was O.K. if the urge prevailed, as in islam?

can you show where Christ told his followers thieving was O.K. as muhammad taught?

Can you show where Christ taught lying was o.K. again as in islam and muhammad?

Can you show where Christ taught that any of his followers who actually did kill or were killed are a grade higher than those who don't, again as in islam?

Can you show where Christ taught that it is a Christian duty to torture and kill other Christians you think are corrupters and hypocrites, again as in islam?

Can you show where Christ deliberately lied in order to justify Christians deliberately slaughtering non believers, as muhammad and islam does?

Sure. Matthew 5: 17.

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I come not to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

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Reply #34 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:13pm

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:02pm:

greggerypeccary Reply #27 - Today at 2:46pm

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Why do you want me to show you these things - are you planning something?

So you can't back up your words that The N.T. has more killing and destruction than the qur'an?

Don't worry I knew you wouldn't be able to.

Your backup site is a worthless piece of crap, gee they were really brave researching who was the angriest, weren't they?

Wonder why they didn't do some analysis of the present day atrocities being carried out by muslims who obey the qur'an to the letter?

"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%)".

Oh dear.

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Reply #35 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:14pm

Karnal wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:05pm:

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 1:56pm:

greggerypeccary wrote Reply #23 - Today at 12:38pm

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"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%)".

Dear o dear.

Can you show where the teachings of Christ in the N.T. unequivocally urge his followers to slay and be slain, to borrow a colloquialism from islam?

In the same light can you show where Christ assured his followers rape was O.K. if the urge prevailed, as in islam?

can you show where Christ told his followers thieving was O.K. as muhammad taught?

Can you show where Christ taught lying was o.K. again as in islam and muhammad?

Can you show where Christ taught that any of his followers who actually did kill or were killed are a grade higher than those who don't, again as in islam?

Can you show where Christ taught that it is a Christian duty to torture and kill other Christians you think are corrupters and hypocrites, again as in islam?

Can you show where Christ deliberately lied in order to justify Christians deliberately slaughtering non believers, as muhammad and islam does?

Sure. Matthew 5: 17.

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I come not to abolish the law but to fulfill it.

Oh dear.

Moses is copping it from all sides.

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Reply #36 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:23pm

Karnal wrote reply #33 - Today at 3:05pm

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Sure. Matthew 5: 17.

Not according to english vocabulary

Mathew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Fulfill means: (1)to bring to a conclusion or completion.

O.T. Law has been successfully brought to a conclusion, it is finished, not applicable to today's Christian.

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Reply #37 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:26pm

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:23pm:

Karnal wrote reply #33 - Today at 3:05pm

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Sure. Matthew 5: 17.

Not according to english vocabulary

Mathew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Fulfill means: (1)to bring to a conclusion or completion.

O.T. Law has been successfully brought to a conclusion, it is finished, not applicable to today's Christian.

You need to concentrate, moses.

Is the OT a "religious text"?

Yes, of course it is.

freediver was wrong. So very, very wrong.

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Reply #38 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:27pm

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:23pm:

Karnal wrote reply #33 - Today at 3:05pm

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Sure. Matthew 5: 17.

Not according to english vocabulary

Mathew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Fulfill means: (1)to bring to a conclusion or completion.

O.T. Law has been successfully brought to a conclusion, it is finished, not applicable to today's Christian.

You're not meaning to suggest that these translations of ancient books into English aren't to be interpreted literally, are you Moses?

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #39 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:32pm greggerypeccary wrote Quote: You need to concentrate, moses. Is the OT a "religious text"? Yes, of course it is. What's that got to do with your inability to show where the n.t. advocates killing more than the qur'an? What's it got to do with anything at all actually?
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Reply #40 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:37pm

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You're not meaning to suggest that these translations of ancient books into English aren't to be interpreted literally, are you Moses?

That they can only be interpreted literally?

What does the verse in question say?

Take it as a spiritual or literal meaning, they both end up the same: The law is finished.

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Reply #41 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:38pm

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:37pm:

mothra wrote
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You're not meaning to suggest that these translations of ancient books into English aren't to be interpreted literally, are you Moses?

That they can only be interpreted literally?

What does the verse in question say?

Take it as a spiritual or literal meaning, they both end up the same: The law is finished.

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If you can't be a good example, you have to be a horrible warning.

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Reply #42 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:39pm

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:37pm:

mothra wrote
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You're not meaning to suggest that these translations of ancient books into English aren't to be interpreted literally, are you Moses?

That they can only be interpreted literally?

What does the verse in question say?

Take it as a spiritual or literal meaning, they both end up the same: The law is finished.

"any religious text" - that's what freediver said.

And, the OT most certainly falls into the category of "any religious text".

You're flogging a dead horse, moses.

Don't you have something better to flog?

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Reply #43 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:42pm

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote

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You need to concentrate, moses.

Is the OT a "religious text"?

Yes, of course it is.

What's that got to do with your inability to show where the n.t. advocates killing more than the qur'an?

What's it got to do with anything at all actually?

So does the n.t. condemn all the slaughtering in the o.t.?

Would you say this is an accurate depiction of both testaments?:

- o.t. - slaughter, rape, pillage, conquer, stone your women
- n.t. - nah, just kidding!

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #44 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 4:05pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:42pm:

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:32pm:

greggerypeccary wrote

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You need to concentrate, moses.

Is the OT a "religious text"?

Yes, of course it is.

What's that got to do with your inability to show where the n.t. advocates killing more than the qur'an?

What's it got to do with anything at all actually?

So does the n.t. condemn all the slaughtering in the o.t.?

Would you say this is an accurate depiction of both testaments?:

- o.t. - slaughter, rape, pillage, conquer, stone your women
- n.t. - nah, just kidding!

Thou Jesteth!

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