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Reply #60 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:41pm

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Auggie wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:13pm:

So, it's not the Quran, then is it? As both Yadda and Effendi claim, but rather the fact that people hold those beliefs.

This shows us that Islam can reform.

Why doesn't it then? Because apostasy is deadly, that's why. And it's deadly because the Koran says so. ANd because millions of Muslims around the world do believe that the Koran is the final, unalterable and eternal word of god.
They kill people because they DO believe the Koran.

Soooo... when was the last Jewish stoning? How and when did the Jews, even the most orthodox, stop following the literal words of the Torah? You asserted the Torah is worse, yet there are no Jews toning anyone.

Another apologist.

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Reply #61 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:48pm

cods wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:15am:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

well fd you are concentrating on those violent bits...didnt god instruct Abraham to kill his son to prove his love of god.. Roll Eyes

He instructed Abraham to kill his son. He instructed Muslims to terrorise the infidel.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:20am:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

Well, you'd be wrong.

The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

Did you read what I actually said? The Koran is full of calls to Muslims to commit violence. Islam compares badly even to the old testament.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:05am:

To borrow a phrase from one of our trolls "oh dearie dearie me tsk tsk".

Why do apologists for islam always quote the O.T. law when 2017 years ago it was abolished by Christ?

"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%)".

Dear o dear.

Crap. The New Testament is pretty much the opposite of the Koran on this.

Auggie wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

Read the Torah; some parts of it are worse than the Quran.

Most monotheistic religions have some degree of violence/hatred in them. We're not dealing with perfect beings here.

I have read it, and part of the Koran. The Torah documents violence. To Koran calls for it. The are entire chapters of the Koran devoted to commanding Muslims to slay and be slain.

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And that indeed, the vast majority of Muslims interpret the Quran peacefully.

It is hard to put a peaceful interpretation on an explicit call for violence.

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Reply #62 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:49pm

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

cods wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:15am:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

well fd you are concentrating on those violent bits...didnt god instruct Abraham to kill his son to prove his love of god.. Roll Eyes

He instructed Abraham to kill his son. He instructed Muslims to terrorise the infidel.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:20am:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

Well, you'd be wrong.

The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

Did you read what I actually said? The Koran is full of call to Muslims to commit violence. Islam compares badly even to the old testament.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:05am:

To borrow a phrase from one of our trolls "oh dearie dearie me tsk tsk".

Why do apologists for islam always quote the O.T. law when 2017 years ago it was abolished by Christ?

"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%)".

Dear o dear.

Crap. The New Testament is pretty much the opposite of the Koran on this.

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 12:38pm:

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:05am:

To borrow a phrase from one of our trolls "oh dearie dearie me tsk tsk".

Why do apologists for islam always quote the O.T. law when 2017 years ago it was abolished by Christ?

"Killing and destruction are referenced slightly more often in the New Testament (2.8%) than in the Quran (2.1%)".

Dear o dear.

Crap. But at least you quoted what I actually said.

Auggie wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 5:42pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

Read the Torah; some parts of it are worse than the Quran.

Most monotheistic religions have some degree of violence/hatred in them. We're not dealing with perfect beings here.

I have read it, part of the Koran. The Torah documents violence. To Koran calls for it. The are entire chapters of the Koran devoted to commanding Muslims to slay and be slain.

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And that indeed, the vast majority of Muslims interpret the Quran peacefully.

It is hard to put a peaceful interpretation on an explicit call for violence.

I've proven you wrong, FD.

So very, very wrong.

Be a man, accept it, and move on.

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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 49088 Gender:	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #63 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:53pm Listen to this interview on Australian radio today http://www.2gb.com/podcast/tommy-robinson-interview/
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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49737 At my desk.	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #64 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:56pm You haven't proven anything Greg.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140944 Gender:	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #65 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:02pm freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:56pm: You haven't proven anything Greg. I, and others, have proven you wrong. So very, very wrong. Suck it up, Princess
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Reply #66 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:09pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:02pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:56pm:

You haven't proven anything Greg.

I, and others, have proven you wrong.

So very, very wrong.

Suck it up, Princess Wink

You pood in your cot once again, Turd, and trying to blame others as usual.

You couldn't prove anyone wrong to save your life. You are simply too thick and too turdy.

Now float away.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 140944 Gender:	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #67 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:10pm freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm: I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does. The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran. These are the facts.
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Reply #68 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:47pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

These are the facts.

Who acts on the Old Testament, Squirrel Turd (ie nutty)? On the Koran?

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #69 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:54pm

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

These are the facts.

Who acts on the Old Testament, Squirrel Turd (ie nutty)? On the Koran?

I'll post FD's incorrect statement once again, just so you can see where you went so terribly wrong.

"I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does."

Your task now, is to point out where he said anything about "acts on".

Over to you, old boy ...

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Reply #70 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:01pm

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Why doesn't it then? Because apostasy is deadly, that's why. And it's deadly because the Koran says so. ANd because millions of Muslims around the world do believe that the Koran is the final, unalterable and eternal word of god.
They kill people because they DO believe the Koran

The reason why they haven't is because those societies haven't gone through the same development that we have. You think the amount of blood the West has shed compared to any other place on earth. We learnt our lesson, but it took hundreds of millions of people to die in order for us to learn it.

Given enough time, peoples in those societies will shed enough blood that they'll get there. That's why our interfering isn't doing anything. Let them evolve organically.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #71 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:37pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

These are the facts.

So is a Tarantino movie, but no-one believes a Tarantino movie is a personal instruction from God to them to terrorise the infidel.

Are you trying to disagree with me, or are you just having trouble understanding what I say?

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

Get it now?

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freediver Gold Member Offline www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 49737 At my desk.	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #72 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:39pm Consider, for example, all these direct and explicit calls to violence in chapter 9 alone: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469837313
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 97274	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #73 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:57pm freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:39pm: Consider, for example, all these direct and explicit calls to violence in chapter 9 alone: http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1469837313 I don't even need to open that link, FD. Something tells me it's all your own words. Does anyone want to try it?
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Reply #74 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:02am

moses wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 3:23pm:

Karnal wrote reply #33 - Today at 3:05pm

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Sure. Matthew 5: 17.

Not according to english vocabulary

Mathew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Fulfill means: (1)to bring to a conclusion or completion.

O.T. Law has been successfully brought to a conclusion, it is finished, not applicable to today's Christian.

What abou today's Jew?

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