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Reply #75 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:21am

Auggie wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Why doesn't it then? Because apostasy is deadly, that's why. And it's deadly because the Koran says so. ANd because millions of Muslims around the world do believe that the Koran is the final, unalterable and eternal word of god.
They kill people because they DO believe the Koran

The reason why they haven't is because those societies haven't gone through the same development that we have. You think the amount of blood the West has shed compared to any other place on earth. We learnt our lesson, but it took hundreds of millions of people to die in order for us to learn it.

Given enough time, peoples in those societies will shed enough blood that they'll get there. That's why our interfering isn't doing anything. Let them evolve organically.

Don't be ridiculous.

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Reply #76 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:25am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

These are the facts.

Who acts on the Old Testament, Squirrel Turd (ie nutty)? On the Koran?

I'll post FD's incorrect statement once again, just so you can see where you went so terribly wrong.

"I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does."

Your task now, is to point out where he said anything about "acts on".

Over to you, old boy ...

Actually he is spot on: it is his perception ("I think") and he says 'to the extent' which is an indication of, you know, extent.

And you know what proves him right? The extent of religiously motivated violence by Muslims. Nobody comes even close.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #77 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:29am

Auggie wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Why doesn't it then? Because apostasy is deadly, that's why. And it's deadly because the Koran says so. ANd because millions of Muslims around the world do believe that the Koran is the final, unalterable and eternal word of god.
They kill people because they DO believe the Koran

The reason why they haven't is because those societies haven't gone through the same development that we have. You think the amount of blood the West has shed compared to any other place on earth. We learnt our lesson, but it took hundreds of millions of people to die in order for us to learn it.

Given enough time, peoples in those societies will shed enough blood that they'll get there. That's why our interfering isn't doing anything. Let them evolve organically.

Crap. These are the oldest civilisations on earth. Islam conquered nearly all of western civilisation. Since then, the areas secured for Islam under the original Caliphate have been stagnant for 1400 years. The only place that did not stagnate is the place that shook off the shackles of Islam before it was too late.

There is no such thing as "enough blood" under Islam.

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #78 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:30am

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

These are the facts.

Who acts on the Old Testament, Squirrel Turd (ie nutty)? On the Koran?

I'll post FD's incorrect statement once again, just so you can see where you went so terribly wrong.

"I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does."

Your task now, is to point out where he said anything about "acts on".

Over to you, old boy ...

Actually he is spot on: it is his perception ("I think") and he says 'to the extent' which is an indication of, you know, extent.

And you know what proves him right? The extent of religiously motivated violence by Muslims. Nobody comes even close.

You really should concentrate harder.

Here it is again, for all the slow learners at the back of the class:

"I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does" (nothing about "acts on").

And, he's wrong.

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

However, as an Islamophobe, you refuse to accept these facts.

It's alright, though - I understand.

Islamophobia rots the brain.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #79 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:37am

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

These are the facts.

Who acts on the Old Testament, Squirrel Turd (ie nutty)? On the Koran?

I'll post FD's incorrect statement once again, just so you can see where you went so terribly wrong.

"I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does."

Your task now, is to point out where he said anything about "acts on".

Over to you, old boy ...

Actually he is spot on: it is his perception ("I think") and he says 'to the extent' which is an indication of, you know, extent.

And you know what proves him right? The extent of religiously motivated violence by Muslims. Nobody comes even close.

You really should concentrate harder.

Here it is again, for all the slow learners at the back of the class:

"I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does" (nothing about "acts on").

And, he's wrong.

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

However, as an Islamophobe, you refuse to accept these facts.

It's alright, though - I understand.

Islamophobia rots the brain.

This should be interesting. Can you give an example of a "catholic text" that promotes violence more than chapter 9 of the Koran?

People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #80 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 4:51pm

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:21am:

Auggie wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Why doesn't it then? Because apostasy is deadly, that's why. And it's deadly because the Koran says so. ANd because millions of Muslims around the world do believe that the Koran is the final, unalterable and eternal word of god.
They kill people because they DO believe the Koran

The reason why they haven't is because those societies haven't gone through the same development that we have. You think the amount of blood the West has shed compared to any other place on earth. We learnt our lesson, but it took hundreds of millions of people to die in order for us to learn it.

Given enough time, peoples in those societies will shed enough blood that they'll get there. That's why our interfering isn't doing anything. Let them evolve organically.

Don't be ridiculous.

'Don't be ridiculous' isn't an argument.

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Reply #81 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 4:52pm

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

I have read it, and part of the Koran. The Torah documents violence. To Koran calls for it. The are entire chapters of the Koran devoted to commanding Muslims to slay and be slain.

FD would you describe this as a command from God to perform genocide?

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16 But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, 17 but you shall devote them to complete destruction,1 the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, 18 that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God.

A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #82 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 4:57pm

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:29am:

Crap. These are the oldest civilisations on earth

Ah, no, you're wrong there. Islamic civilizations ARE NOT the oldest in the world. Islam was founded in the 7th Century AD. That's quite late in historical terms. Western civilization is much older.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:29am:

Islam conquered nearly all of western civilisation.

They didn't even come close.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:29am:

Since then, the areas secured for Islam under the original Caliphate have been stagnant for 1400 years.

Incorrect, again. The Ottomans were 'this' close to reforming themselves, but found themselves on the wrong side of a World War. Look at Turkey after its inception - it was one of the most secular and democratic states in the world - hardly stagnant. Iran was also a successful society until the British and Americans overthrew a democratically-elected Prime Minister because he nationalized the Anglo-Dutch Oil Company. Afghanistan was progressive up to the 1970s but again, some stupid fool initiates a coup.

There are many examples of successful Islamic societies in the past.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #83 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:39pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 4:52pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:48pm:

I have read it, and part of the Koran. The Torah documents violence. To Koran calls for it. The are entire chapters of the Koran devoted to commanding Muslims to slay and be slain.

FD would you describe this as a command from God to perform genocide?

Quote:

16 But in the cities of these peoples that the Lord your God is giving you for an inheritance, you shall save alive nothing that breathes, 17 but you shall devote them to complete destruction,1 the Hittites and the Amorites, the Canaanites and the Perizzites, the Hivites and the Jebusites, as the Lord your God has commanded, 18 that they may not teach you to do according to all their abominable practices that they have done for their gods, and so you sin against the Lord your God.

Not at all, G, it's just self-help.

Plenty of Christians referenced verses like this during the invasion of Iraq, which they called Babylon. Taking out Iraqis had a holy significance; a religious duty. They invoked Sodom, Gomorrah, pillars of salt and fire and brimstone galore, like they often do in times of war.

Christians don't go for terrorism because they lead the empire. Instead, they go for good, old testament military supremacy - with God's help, of course.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #84 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:46pm

Auggie wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 4:57pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:29am:

Crap. These are the oldest civilisations on earth

Ah, no, you're wrong there. Islamic civilizations ARE NOT the oldest in the world. Islam was founded in the 7th Century AD. That's quite late in historical terms. Western civilization is much older.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:29am:

Islam conquered nearly all of western civilisation.

They didn't even come close.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:29am:

Since then, the areas secured for Islam under the original Caliphate have been stagnant for 1400 years.

Incorrect, again. The Ottomans were 'this' close to reforming themselves, but found themselves on the wrong side of a World War. Look at Turkey after its inception - it was one of the most secular and democratic states in the world - hardly stagnant. Iran was also a successful society until the British and Americans overthrew a democratically-elected Prime Minister because he nationalized the Anglo-Dutch Oil Company. Afghanistan was progressive up to the 1970s but again, some stupid fool initiates a coup.

There are many examples of successful Islamic societies in the past.

Watch out, Caestarustus. You're dangerously close to being accused of Muslim victimhood here. FD might be forced to make up something you've said and put you in Spineless Apologetics.

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Reply #85 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

It has been asserted several times. Not proved once, Turdy.

Asserting is not proving. You are an old fart but this simple truth still needs to be spelled out to you. Must be your union background.

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Reply #86 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:18pm

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

It has been asserted several times. Not proved once, Turdy.

Asserting is not proving. You are an old fart but this simple truth still needs to be spelled out to you. Must be your union background.

That's merely your assertion.

You have no proof that I'm wrong.

Sorry Tongue

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Reply #87 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:21pm

Auggie wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:21am:

Auggie wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 10:01pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 8:28pm:

Why doesn't it then? Because apostasy is deadly, that's why. And it's deadly because the Koran says so. ANd because millions of Muslims around the world do believe that the Koran is the final, unalterable and eternal word of god.
They kill people because they DO believe the Koran

The reason why they haven't is because those societies haven't gone through the same development that we have. You think the amount of blood the West has shed compared to any other place on earth. We learnt our lesson, but it took hundreds of millions of people to die in order for us to learn it.

Given enough time, peoples in those societies will shed enough blood that they'll get there. That's why our interfering isn't doing anything. Let them evolve organically.

Don't be ridiculous.

'Don't be ridiculous' isn't an argument.

It's 2017, pal.

You shouldn't NEED to be slaughtered wholesale to see the error of your ways. We have had an Enlightenment, you know, and discovered the power of reason some 300-odd years ago.

For you to say that the Muslim must die in even greater number than they are now, mostly at each other's hands, IS ridiculous.

They are resistant to reason which they discredit as some white man's magic. Islam needs to catch up with the Enlightenment, not the Reformation.

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Reply #88 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:23pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

It has been asserted several times. Not proved once, Turdy.

Asserting is not proving. You are an old fart but this simple truth still needs to be spelled out to you. Must be your union background.

That's merely your assertion.

You have no proof that I'm wrong.

Sorry Tongue

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Well, I haven't seen any of the proofs you insist on being presented. Until I see the proofs your assertion about them are just that.

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Reply #89 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:25pm

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

It has been asserted several times. Not proved once, Turdy.

Asserting is not proving. You are an old fart but this simple truth still needs to be spelled out to you. Must be your union background.

That's merely your assertion.

You have no proof that I'm wrong.

Sorry Tongue

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Well, I haven't seen any of the proofs you insist on being presented. Until I see the proofs your assertion about them are just that.

Again, you're merely making an assertion and that doesn't prove that you haven't seen my proof.

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