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Reply #90 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:34pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:25am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:54pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:47pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 26^th, 2017 at 8:09pm:

I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does.

The Old Testament was found to be more than twice as violent as the Quran.

These are the facts.

Who acts on the Old Testament, Squirrel Turd (ie nutty)? On the Koran?

I'll post FD's incorrect statement once again, just so you can see where you went so terribly wrong.

"I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does."

Your task now, is to point out where he said anything about "acts on".

Over to you, old boy ...

Actually he is spot on: it is his perception ("I think") and he says 'to the extent' which is an indication of, you know, extent.

And you know what proves him right? The extent of religiously motivated violence by Muslims. Nobody comes even close.

You really should concentrate harder.

Here it is again, for all the slow learners at the back of the class:

"I don't think any religious text actually encourages violence to the extent that Islam does" (nothing about "acts on").

And, he's wrong.

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

However, as an Islamophobe, you refuse to accept these facts.

It's alright, though - I understand.

Islamophobia rots the brain.

Hasn't been proven anywhere...
Stop lying Gweggy... Cheesy

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #91 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:38pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

It has been asserted several times. Not proved once, Turdy.

Asserting is not proving. You are an old fart but this simple truth still needs to be spelled out to you. Must be your union background.

That's merely your assertion.

You have no proof that I'm wrong.

Sorry Tongue

You are a confirmed LIAR, and you are a person who has no credibility in this online forum.

PROOF......

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #92 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:41pm

Auggie wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 4:57pm:

freediver wrote Today at 7:29am:
Islam conquered nearly all of western civilisation.

They didn't even come close.

FD's using Ian Morris's definition of the west - which is pretty much everything west of India and China (until you hit the Atlantic Ocean of course). So in that sense, Islam itself was born in the west

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #93 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:42pm

Yadda wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:38pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

It has been asserted several times. Not proved once, Turdy.

Asserting is not proving. You are an old fart but this simple truth still needs to be spelled out to you. Must be your union background.

That's merely your assertion.

You have no proof that I'm wrong.

Sorry Tongue

You are a confirmed LIAR, and you are a person who has no credibility in this online forum.

PROOF......

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Trump wins, I leave this forum forever.

- greggery

That's merely your assertion.

And, an assertion is not proof.

Sorry.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #94 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 8:52pm

I defy any muslim or apologist to show where:

The teachings of Christ in the N.T. unequivocally urge his followers to slay and be slain, to borrow a colloquialism from islam?

Christ assured his followers rape was O.K. if the urge prevailed, as in islam?

Christ told his followers thieving was O.K. as muhammad taught?

Christ taught lying was o.K. again as in islam and muhammad?

Christ taught that any of his followers who actually did kill or were killed are a grade higher than those who don't, again as in islam?

Christ taught that it is a Christian duty to torture and kill other Christians you think are corrupters and hypocrites, again as in islam?

Christ deliberately lied in order to justify Christians deliberately slaughtering non believers, as muhammad and islam does?

We all know they are lying in order to equate Christianity and Judaism as being equally as evil as islam.

Why?

Well islam is rooted in all of the above evilness, the above is the cause and motivation for all islamic atrocities, it is touted as the final infallible never to be changed commands of allah.

muslims can never give up the above atrocities as this would destroy islam, so knowing islam cannot give up the depravity, they and their apologists desperately lie, seeking to degrade Judaeo / Christian doctrine and fruits to the degenerate level of the cesspool of islam.

oh well the world is turning on them, ducky ducky tsk tsk.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #95 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 8:59pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:25pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

It has been asserted several times. Not proved once, Turdy.

Asserting is not proving. You are an old fart but this simple truth still needs to be spelled out to you. Must be your union background.

That's merely your assertion.

You have no proof that I'm wrong.

Sorry Tongue

Well, I haven't seen any of the proofs you insist on being presented. Until I see the proofs your assertion about them are just that.

Again, you're merely making an assertion and that doesn't prove that you haven't seen my proof.

You are disappearing up yer own arse, Turdy.
Again.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #97 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 9:23pm

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 8:59pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:25pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:23pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:18pm:

Frank wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:30am:

Catholic and Jewish texts encourage more violence than anything Islam has to offer.

This has been proven several times in this thread.

It has been asserted several times. Not proved once, Turdy.

Asserting is not proving. You are an old fart but this simple truth still needs to be spelled out to you. Must be your union background.

That's merely your assertion.

You have no proof that I'm wrong.

Sorry Tongue

Well, I haven't seen any of the proofs you insist on being presented. Until I see the proofs your assertion about them are just that.

Again, you're merely making an assertion and that doesn't prove that you haven't seen my proof.

You are disappearing up yer own arse, Turdy.
Again.

Why is it I keep bumping into you there?

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #98 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 10:12pm

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It's 2017, pal.

It's 2017 for US, not for them.

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You shouldn't NEED to be slaughtered wholesale to see the error of your ways. We have had an Enlightenment, you know, and discovered the power of reason some 300-odd years ago.

WE had the enlightenment, THEY didn't.

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For you to say that the Muslim must die in even greater number than they are now, mostly at each other's hands, IS ridiculous.

As ridiculous as 2 Word Wars?

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They are resistant to reason which they discredit as some white man's magic. Islam needs to catch up with the Enlightenment, not the Reformation.

My point exactly. The road to modernity is paved with blood. Get used to it.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence Reply #99 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 1:35pm Totally regressive islamic doctrine, is infallible never to be changed, hallowed dogma. The road to modernity simply doesn't exist for muslims.
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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #100 - May 1^st, 2017 at 6:36pm

Auggie wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 4:57pm:

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:29am:

Crap. These are the oldest civilisations on earth

Ah, no, you're wrong there. Islamic civilizations ARE NOT the oldest in the world. Islam was founded in the 7th Century AD. That's quite late in historical terms. Western civilization is much older.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:29am:

Islam conquered nearly all of western civilisation.

They didn't even come close.

freediver wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:29am:

Since then, the areas secured for Islam under the original Caliphate have been stagnant for 1400 years.

Incorrect, again. The Ottomans were 'this' close to reforming themselves, but found themselves on the wrong side of a World War. Look at Turkey after its inception - it was one of the most secular and democratic states in the world - hardly stagnant. Iran was also a successful society until the British and Americans overthrew a democratically-elected Prime Minister because he nationalized the Anglo-Dutch Oil Company. Afghanistan was progressive up to the 1970s but again, some stupid fool initiates a coup.

There are many examples of successful Islamic societies in the past.

The best examples from Islam pale in comparison to what non-Muslim societies from earlier periods, or the same periods but elsewhere, achieved.

As Gandalf pointed out, I use the term "the west" very broadly. There is about 10000 years of agricultural history behind western civilisation, and it started in modern day Iraq. "Islamic" civilisation did not just appear out of thin air. It took over the oldest and most advanced civilisation on earth. Then it strangled it. The west as we often refer to it today was the fringe of that civilisation. It was while Islam dominated the west that Chinese civilisation leaped ahead for the first time, reaching a similar standard of living to the Romans.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #101 - May 1^st, 2017 at 8:26pm

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 6:36pm:

It took over the oldest and most advanced civilisation on earth. Then it strangled it.

Hillarious saying this just after mentioning Iraq. If we take that region of Iraq alone, it was decimated by the wars between the Byzantines and Sassinids and was a shadow of its former glory by the time the muslim conquerers came. And yet as soon as the muslims took over, they built from scratch what came to be the intellectual centre of the world, and possibly the largest city in the world at close to a million. The only other contender was that other great muslim intellectual centre - Cordoba. Not even a rabidly Islamophobic revisionist version of history could claim the muslim occupation of Iraq resulted in anything other than intellectual and cultural advancement - let alone "strangling" it.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #102 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 7:25pm

Rome also had over a million inhabitants, about 1000 years earlier. Pick any measure you want, except for area conquered, and the Islamic empire comes up short compared to what existed previously and/or what existed at the same time elsewhere.

Islam had the greatest opportunity, in the form of the largest land empire that had ever existed, covering nearly all of the oldest and wealthiest civilisation on earth. It achieved nothing with it, except cementing Islam as the state and the religion. All else was sacrificed to this goal. It was the only time in history that eastern civilisation pulled ahead of western.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #103 - May 2^nd, 2017 at 9:34pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 8:26pm:

freediver wrote on May 1^st, 2017 at 6:36pm:

It took over the oldest and most advanced civilisation on earth. Then it strangled it.

Hillarious saying this just after mentioning Iraq. If we take that region of Iraq alone, it was decimated by the wars between the Byzantines and Sassinids and was a shadow of its former glory by the time the muslim conquerers came. And yet as soon as the muslims took over, they built from scratch what came to be the intellectual centre of the world, and possibly the largest city in the world at close to a million. The only other contender was that other great muslim intellectual centre - Cordoba. Not even a rabidly Islamophobic revisionist version of history could claim the muslim occupation of Iraq resulted in anything other than intellectual and cultural advancement - let alone "strangling" it.

Islam was not backward 800 years ago.

That is no endorsement of Islam now. We live NOW. Islam is a toxic menace NOW. It is no use to us NOW that it was not a toxic menace in Iraq 800 years ago.

NOW it's a f Vcking cancer on the world. And you are its agent in so far as you are a Muslim. Do you spread the cancer or do you stop cure it?? It is up to you Muslims. I can't cure you of Islam.

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Re: ABC on Islam and domestic violence
Reply #104 - May 3^rd, 2017 at 7:43am

freediver wrote on May 2^nd, 2017 at 7:25pm:

Pick any measure you want, except for area conquered, and the Islamic empire comes up short compared to what existed previously

The measure I just gave you proves you wrong. Iraq went from wasteland to the intellectual centre of the world with possibly the largest city in the world - built from scratch by the muslims.

I could also use the 'measure' of Andalus.

Could you explain to me the process of Islam "strangling" Iraq and Andalus FD?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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