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The liberal media bubble grows more extreme
Apr 27^th, 2017 at 4:51pm

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-j...

". . .nobody has produced a better argument for how the national media missed the Trump story than FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver, who pointed out that the ideological clustering in top newsrooms led to groupthink. “As of 2013, only 7 percent of [journalists] identified as Republicans,” Silver wrote in March, chiding the press for its political homogeneity. Just after the election, presidential strategist Steve Bannon savaged the press on the same point but with a heartier vocabulary. “The media bubble is the ultimate symbol of what’s wrong with this country,” Bannon said. “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no smacking idea what’s going on.”

But journalistic groupthink is a symptom, not a cause. And when it comes to the cause, there’s another, blunter way to think about the question than screaming “bias” and “conspiracy,” or counting D’s and R’s. That’s to ask a simple question about the map. Where do journalists work, and how much has that changed in recent years?" . . .

. . .Daily and weekly newspaper publishers employed about 455,000 reporters, clerks, salespeople, designers and the like in 1990, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. By January 2017, that workforce had more than halved to 173,900. Those losses were felt in almost every region of the country.

. . .As newspapers have dwindled, internet publishers have added employees at a bracing clip. According to BLS data, a startling boom in “internet publishing and broadcasting” jobs has taken place. Since January 2008, internet publishing has grown from 77,900 jobs to 206,700 in January 2017 . . .This isn’t just a shift in medium. It’s also a shift in sociopolitics, and a radical one"

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Reply #1 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 5:33pm

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-j...

". . .nobody has produced a better argument for how the national media missed the Trump story than FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver, who pointed out that the ideological clustering in top newsrooms led to groupthink. “As of 2013, only 7 percent of [journalists] identified as Republicans,” Silver wrote in March, chiding the press for its political homogeneity. Just after the election, presidential strategist Steve Bannon savaged the press on the same point but with a heartier vocabulary. “The media bubble is the ultimate symbol of what’s wrong with this country,” Bannon said. “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no smacking idea what’s going on.”

But journalistic groupthink is a symptom, not a cause. And when it comes to the cause, there’s another, blunter way to think about the question than screaming “bias” and “conspiracy,” or counting D’s and R’s. That’s to ask a simple question about the map. Where do journalists work, and how much has that changed in recent years?" . . .

. . .Daily and weekly newspaper publishers employed about 455,000 reporters, clerks, salespeople, designers and the like in 1990, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. By January 2017, that workforce had more than halved to 173,900. Those losses were felt in almost every region of the country.

. . .As newspapers have dwindled, internet publishers have added employees at a bracing clip. According to BLS data, a startling boom in “internet publishing and broadcasting” jobs has taken place. Since January 2008, internet publishing has grown from 77,900 jobs to 206,700 in January 2017 . . .This isn’t just a shift in medium. It’s also a shift in sociopolitics, and a radical one"

So in your dim-witted singe-eye view of the world, the unsourced and unproven 'fact' that republicans are rare in journalism means something? Or the same fact that the Christian world is overwhelmingly republican as is law enforcement. The education sector is overwhelmingly Democrat as is the social services area. So you point is what exactly? That some political groups gravitate to certain careers and sectors as if that is somehow NEWS???

But the overwhelming fail in this assessment is that it does not address 'accuracy' in journalism, only political bias. You can be both politically partisan and still report the truth and facts. And they do.

You just dont like it because they are exposing Trump as a monstrous fraud and grossly incompetent narcissist. Even his latest 'tax reform' is aimed entirely at people like himself and his benefit.

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Reply #2 - Apr 27^th, 2017 at 11:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 5:33pm:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 27^th, 2017 at 4:51pm:

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-j...

". . .nobody has produced a better argument for how the national media missed the Trump story than FiveThirtyEight’s Nate Silver, who pointed out that the ideological clustering in top newsrooms led to groupthink. “As of 2013, only 7 percent of [journalists] identified as Republicans,” Silver wrote in March, chiding the press for its political homogeneity. Just after the election, presidential strategist Steve Bannon savaged the press on the same point but with a heartier vocabulary. “The media bubble is the ultimate symbol of what’s wrong with this country,” Bannon said. “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no smacking idea what’s going on.”

But journalistic groupthink is a symptom, not a cause. And when it comes to the cause, there’s another, blunter way to think about the question than screaming “bias” and “conspiracy,” or counting D’s and R’s. That’s to ask a simple question about the map. Where do journalists work, and how much has that changed in recent years?" . . .

. . .Daily and weekly newspaper publishers employed about 455,000 reporters, clerks, salespeople, designers and the like in 1990, according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. By January 2017, that workforce had more than halved to 173,900. Those losses were felt in almost every region of the country.

. . .As newspapers have dwindled, internet publishers have added employees at a bracing clip. According to BLS data, a startling boom in “internet publishing and broadcasting” jobs has taken place. Since January 2008, internet publishing has grown from 77,900 jobs to 206,700 in January 2017 . . .This isn’t just a shift in medium. It’s also a shift in sociopolitics, and a radical one"

So in your dim-witted singe-eye view of the world, the unsourced and unproven 'fact' that republicans are rare in journalism means something? Or the same fact that the Christian world is overwhelmingly republican as is law enforcement. The education sector is overwhelmingly Democrat as is the social services area. So you point is what exactly? That some political groups gravitate to certain careers and sectors as if that is somehow NEWS???

But the overwhelming fail in this assessment is that it does not address 'accuracy' in journalism, only political bias. You can be both politically partisan and still report the truth and facts. And they do.

You just dont like it because they are exposing Trump as a monstrous fraud and grossly incompetent narcissist. Even his latest 'tax reform' is aimed entirely at people like himself and his benefit.

The article is commenting on the change by journalists away from the traditional press to online publishing. The quote from Bannon “It’s just a circle of people talking to themselves who have no smacking idea what’s going on” is pretty obvious.

Nothing about Trump or tax reform.

Weekends reaction is just way over the top - crazy! He really is unhinged!

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Reply #3 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:22am

Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ... Communism!

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Reply #4 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:52am

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:22am:

Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ... Communism!

America doesn't have a "Health System" it has a sickness monitoring business and what a profitable business it is - especially since Gov insurance subsidies have been growing.

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Reply #5 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 2:33am

Richdude wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:52am:

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:22am:

Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ... Communism!

America doesn't have a "Health System" it has a sickness monitoring business and what a profitable business it is - especially since Gov insurance subsidies have been growing.

Don't blame the "government insurance" for what is going on in America. Obamacare is a mere bandage on a gaping shark bite. Trumpcare is a smaller bandage. Some Republicans want no bandage at all ....

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Marla Gold Member Offline Weed is my Jesus Posts: 13728 Colorado Gender:	Re: The liberal media bubble grows more extreme Reply #6 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:40am Goebbels reading Politico and believing it's news. Oh, that is funny.
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Reply #7 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:58am

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 2:33am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:52am:

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:22am:

Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ... Communism!

America doesn't have a "Health System" it has a sickness monitoring business and what a profitable business it is - especially since Gov insurance subsidies have been growing.

Don't blame the "government insurance" for what is going on in America. Obamacare is a mere bandage on a gaping shark bite. Trumpcare is a smaller bandage. Some Republicans want no bandage at all ....

average health is declining even though more $ are being made by the 'health care' industry.

Rip the bandage off.
It ain't working anyway.

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issuevoter Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 9200 The Great State of Mind Gender:	Re: The liberal media bubble grows more extreme Reply #8 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 8:23am With journalists, its not just liberalism in politics. A large proportion of them are gay. The once reputable magazine National Geographic ran a special issue in January devoted entirely to legitimizing neurotic homosexual behavior.
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Prime Minister for Canyons Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 26906 Canberra Gender:	Re: The liberal media bubble grows more extreme Reply #9 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 8:57am issuevoter wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 8:23am: With journalists, its not just liberalism in politics. A large proportion of them are gay. The once reputable magazine National Geographic ran a special issue in January devoted entirely to legitimizing neurotic homosexual behavior. Link?
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Reply #10 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 8:58am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:58am:

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 2:33am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:52am:

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:22am:

Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ... Communism!

America doesn't have a "Health System" it has a sickness monitoring business and what a profitable business it is - especially since Gov insurance subsidies have been growing.

Don't blame the "government insurance" for what is going on in America. Obamacare is a mere bandage on a gaping shark bite. Trumpcare is a smaller bandage. Some Republicans want no bandage at all ....

average health is declining even though more $ are being made by the 'health care' industry.

Rip the bandage off.
It ain't working anyway.

Glad to know you are a Bernie Sander supporter. He is the only one advocating radical surgery.

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Reply #11 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 9:36am

Marla wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 6:40am:

Goebbels reading Politico and believing it's news. Oh, that is funny.

I appreciate you would prefer I only get my comment from the People's Fraternal Information Distribution Cooperative . . .but I'm dazzled by the bright colours available in other places.

PS couldn't I be Rudolf Hess for a change, I'm bored with Goebbels.

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Reply #12 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 1:32pm

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:22am:

Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ... Communism!

That is just an artifact of many americans truly pitiful understanding of the world around them. 1/4 of them cannot find USA on a world map so not surprising that they have no knowledge of the health systems abroad.

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Reply #13 - Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:19pm

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:22am:

Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ... Communism!

That is just an artifact of many americans truly pitiful understanding of the world around them. 1/4 of them cannot find USA on a world map so not surprising that they have no knowledge of the health systems abroad.

You may be on to something. It is simply astounding to me when I talk, or try to talk, about healthcare around the world to Americans ...

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Reply #14 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:09am

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 1:32pm:

AiA wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 12:22am:

Meh Meh Meh. I live in the States and I am astounded - daily - at the so-called *conservative" bubble many here live in. These people, for example, really believe that the American healthcare system - THE MOST EXPENSIVE IN THE WORLD - is somehow the best and any move away from that is a move toward ... Communism!

That is just an artifact of many americans truly pitiful understanding of the world around them. 1/4 of them cannot find USA on a world map so not surprising that they have no knowledge of the health systems abroad.

You may be on to something. It is simply astounding to me when I talk, or try to talk, about healthcare around the world to Americans ...

Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial.

Go to Australia! Nah! To far to drive!

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