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Re: The liberal media bubble grows more extreme
Reply #15 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:20am

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:09am:

[quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197]

Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial.

Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.

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Reply #16 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 1:55pm

AiA wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:20am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:09am:

[quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197]

Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial.

Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.

If you to compare the BBC to say NBC, CNN and Fox
the BBC is far superior IMO in World coverage and integrity.

However in the latter you are right. Self satisfied laziness and the idea that nothing of interest happens outside the US is reflected in the press.

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Re: The liberal media bubble grows more extreme
Reply #17 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 2:11pm

Donald Trump swept in in part because the majority of Americans were sick and tired of the gigantic fraud foisted on the Public in the Obama years...8 years of disappointment as that loser managed to double the national debt a figure of trillions of dollars

Interesting to note that in only 100 days Trump has reduced the debt by 100 billion dollars.

I'd call that a good start

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Re: The liberal media bubble grows more extreme
Reply #18 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 3:08pm

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 1:55pm:

AiA wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:20am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:09am:

[quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197]

Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial.

Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.

If you to compare the BBC to say NBC, CNN and Fox
the BBC is far superior IMO in World coverage and integrity.

However in the latter you are right. Self satisfied laziness and the idea that nothing of interest happens outside the US is reflected in the press.

Richdude, how're you going mate?
I'm a big consumer of BBC radio and I agree that its depth of cover on world news is far better than you'll find from American networks, which have always been fairly insular.
For a start the BBC has a "World Service" right, in a multitude of languages.

But while the BBC has an immense richness in discussion programs on a wide range of things, from politics, economics, to science, history, philosophy . . .it is not without its bias problems.
Its newsrooms unfortunately are as deeply infected with the curse of the liberal media bubble as are the CNNs or NBCs.

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Reply #19 - Apr 29^th, 2017 at 4:38pm

red baron wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 2:11pm:

Donald Trump swept in in part because the majority of Americans were sick and tired of the gigantic fraud foisted on the Public in the Obama years...8 years of disappointment as that loser managed to double the national debt a figure of trillions of dollars

Interesting to note that in only 100 days Trump has reduced the debt by 100 billion dollars.

I'd call that a good start

would you care to offer some actual proof of that statement or do we simply declare it to be bogus without even waiting?

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Re: The liberal media bubble grows more extreme
Reply #20 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 1:12am

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 1:55pm:

AiA wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:20am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:09am:

[quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197]

Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial.

Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.

If you to compare the BBC to say NBC, CNN and Fox
the BBC is far superior IMO in World coverage and integrity.

However in the latter you are right. Self satisfied laziness and the idea that nothing of interest happens outside the US is reflected in the press.

Richdude, how're you going mate?
I'm a big consumer of BBC radio and I agree that its depth of cover on world news is far better than you'll find from American networks, which have always been fairly insular.
For a start the BBC has a "World Service" right, in a multitude of languages.

But while the BBC has an immense richness in discussion programs on a wide range of things, from politics, economics, to science, history, philosophy . . .it is not without its bias problems.
Its newsrooms unfortunately are as deeply infected with the curse of the liberal media bubble as are the CNNs or NBCs.

Thanks Bogarde.

Yes the BBC has slipped. It was once the yardstick to measure the Worlds journalism standards against. As was the ABC - many years ago.

It's interesting to see that articles from Australian news services are often mentioned here.

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Re: The liberal media bubble grows more extreme
Reply #21 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:39am

Sprintcyclist wrote on Apr 28^th, 2017 at 7:58am:

Rip the bandage off.
It ain't working anyway.

That's the dumb thinking that allows those who want to shape the system to their own financial advantage to do so.

You can't rip the bandage of until you've got a better alternative ready to cover the wound.

That doesn't seem possible under "Who knew" Trump or whenever the "small Government" Republicans can force changes or roadblock progress in the right direction.

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Reply #22 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:51am

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 1:55pm:

AiA wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:20am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:09am:

[quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197]

Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial.

Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.

If you to compare the BBC to say NBC, CNN and Fox
the BBC is far superior IMO in World coverage and integrity.

However in the latter you are right. Self satisfied laziness and the idea that nothing of interest happens outside the US is reflected in the press.

Richdude, how're you going mate?
I'm a big consumer of BBC radio and I agree that its depth of cover on world news is far better than you'll find from American networks, which have always been fairly insular.
For a start the BBC has a "World Service" right, in a multitude of languages.

But while the BBC has an immense richness in discussion programs on a wide range of things, from politics, economics, to science, history, philosophy . . .it is not without its bias problems.
Its newsrooms unfortunately are as deeply infected with the curse of the liberal media bubble as are the CNNs or NBCs.

While the NBC's and CNN's may currently have a small bias Fox has always been well out on the loony right about as far as you can get they like their equally loony counterparts in the news network are not journalistic presenters of news but more participants driving their own version of what the news should be if it were true.

At least in media areas like NBC etc they are still legitimately presenting truthful news.

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Re: The liberal media bubble grows more extreme
Reply #23 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:53am

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 2:11pm:

Donald Trump swept in in part because the majority of Americans were sick and tired of the gigantic fraud foisted on the Public in the Obama years...8 years of disappointment as that loser managed to double the national debt a figure of trillions of dollars

Interesting to note that in only 100 days Trump has reduced the debt by 100 billion dollars.

I'd call that a good start

would you care to offer some actual proof of that statement or do we simply declare it to be bogus without even waiting?

On a pure numbers basis, it does stack up.

Debt Level, in $ on 20/01/17: $19,947,304,555,212.40
Debt Level, in $ on 27/04/17: $19,846,491,745,845.90

https://treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=20&startYear=20...

But it doesn't take into account the "how" or "why" there was a drop. But without citing that policy or actions Trump took to reduce the debt, the fact that it happened under his watch is enough for his supporters.

Of course it doesn't work that way when it's something negative, but consistency when facing scrutiny isn't a strength of Trump supporters who live in their own fake news and alternative fact fuelled bubble.

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Re: The liberal media bubble grows more extreme
Reply #24 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 10:06am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:53am:

But it doesn't take into account the "how" or "why" there was a drop. But without citing that policy or actions Trump took to reduce the debt, the fact that it happened under his watch is enough for his supporters.

We have to be careful when talking about deb levels too. Especially highlighted by out local politics, often the Coalition will talk about reducing debt because their opposition's spending was out of control, but the only way they can reduce debt since they don't touch any of the negative spending that benefits them and their donors interests is to under invest where it matters.

Sure the debt level may look better in the short term, but they've created a deficit elsewhere, like in education, health or infrastrucuture funding.

Of course the following Government need to address this issue, which costs money, which then adds to the debt. The Coalition then complains about debt levels and the cycle continues.

I'm not familiar enough with the US system, but I mostly see Trump supporters advocating for him to issue deep cuts to anything Obama funded. Literally anything, doesn't matter what it is. If Obama didn't cut it, or worse, increased funding, unless it's military, it's gotta go, for the sake of the debt levels.

It's that kind of blinkered thinking that will create further inequity amongst the people, all while it will be framed as Trump "caring about the people and the country".

It doesn't take a genius to figure it out. But more on topic, it shows that while there is no doubt a liberal bubble and there is. Without it there wouldn't have been such voter apathy or "she'll be right" attitude and Trump wouldn't have won.

But don't anyone for a second think that there isn't an equally if not stronger conservative bubble, especially around the celebrity persona of "Billionaire Trump".

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Reply #25 - Apr 30^th, 2017 at 12:29pm

Dnarever wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:51am:

bogarde73 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 3:08pm:

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 1:55pm:

AiA wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:20am:

Richdude wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 12:09am:

[quote author=AiA_in_Atlanta link=1493275916/13#13 date=1493371197]

Thats true - most Americans know very little in general about the rest of the World. The media is very parochial.

Are you blaming American's lack of knowledge of the world on their media? So laf. I blame it on a lack of curiosity, an overabundance of laziness covered with a gravy of arrogance and seasoned with righteousness.

If you to compare the BBC to say NBC, CNN and Fox
the BBC is far superior IMO in World coverage and integrity.

However in the latter you are right. Self satisfied laziness and the idea that nothing of interest happens outside the US is reflected in the press.

Richdude, how're you going mate?
I'm a big consumer of BBC radio and I agree that its depth of cover on world news is far better than you'll find from American networks, which have always been fairly insular.
For a start the BBC has a "World Service" right, in a multitude of languages.

But while the BBC has an immense richness in discussion programs on a wide range of things, from politics, economics, to science, history, philosophy . . .it is not without its bias problems.
Its newsrooms unfortunately are as deeply infected with the curse of the liberal media bubble as are the CNNs or NBCs.

While the NBC's and CNN's may currently have a small bias Fox has always been well out on the loony right about as far as you can get they like their equally loony counterparts in the news network are not journalistic presenters of news but more participants driving their own version of what the news should be if it were true.

At least in media areas like NBC etc they are still legitimately presenting truthful news.

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Reply #26 - May 1^st, 2017 at 10:46am

KangAnon wrote on Apr 30^th, 2017 at 9:53am:

longweekend58 wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 4:38pm:

red baron wrote on Apr 29^th, 2017 at 2:11pm:

Donald Trump swept in in part because the majority of Americans were sick and tired of the gigantic fraud foisted on the Public in the Obama years...8 years of disappointment as that loser managed to double the national debt a figure of trillions of dollars

Interesting to note that in only 100 days Trump has reduced the debt by 100 billion dollars.

I'd call that a good start

would you care to offer some actual proof of that statement or do we simply declare it to be bogus without even waiting?

On a pure numbers basis, it does stack up.

Debt Level, in $ on 20/01/17: $19,947,304,555,212.40
Debt Level, in $ on 27/04/17: $19,846,491,745,845.90

https://treasurydirect.gov/NP/debt/search?startMonth=01&startDay=20&startYear=20...

But it doesn't take into account the "how" or "why" there was a drop. But without citing that policy or actions Trump took to reduce the debt, the fact that it happened under his watch is enough for his supporters.

Of course it doesn't work that way when it's something negative, but consistency when facing scrutiny isn't a strength of Trump supporters who live in their own fake news and alternative fact fuelled bubble.

even debt levels that are rising over time have ebbs and flows, But since Trump hasnt passed a single spending bill or reduction in spending initiatives, he cannot take any responsibility for this, even if it is just a temporary 'ebb.

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