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Reply #45 - May 5th, 2017 at 9:43am
 
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capitosinora wrote on May 3rd, 2017 at 8:21pm:
The Evil Empire: 101 Ways That England Ruined the World


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In the work the author argues that many of the world's problems were caused by the British Empire and also criticises British culture. The book explanes thru the historical facts how the British Empire was evil, and responsible for the Irish famine, the atrocities committed by the Black and Tans during the Irish War of Independence, Racism, Invention of African slavery, Genocides around the world, the Scramble for Africa, the Iraq War, the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the Durand Line and the Revengs of the Afghan Royal Family and their Rare Earth Elements, global warming, world poverty, the Great Plague, Islamofascism, the 19th century First and Second Opium Wars with China, the First World War and the Vietnam War. Other events the book places blame on the British Empire for include the Second World War, the fathering of the United States and the drug trade. The book argues that all of these incidents had a negative impact on the world.
Other arguments made in the book involve the popularity of homosexuality among the British nobility that the King James Bible was a deliberate act of heresy, and that the Piltdown Man hoax was a deliberate attempt by British academia to prove that they were a superior race.
The book also gives insight in the Victorian educational system called "Victorian Fascism", that like Hitler, prepared the whole nation, "Superior British Race", to conquer the world.


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What the British Empire did was pretty much unique in human history. It ceded it's empire without being forced to by being over-run, leading to a long term collapse.
It also exported liberal democracy to much of the world.


Maybe you wanted to say that British invented and exported liberal hypocrisy.
Or "Democracy"with never democratically elected  head of state (Monarch, dictator.) who has constitutional right to dismiss democratically elected prime minister. Do you remember what happened to Gough Whitlam?.
It looks you don't have a clue what a democracy is:

Democracy (Greek: δημοκρατία, Dēmokratía "rule of the people")
Monarchy (Greek: μονάρχης, Monárkhēs "rule of elite")
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Reply #46 - May 5th, 2017 at 9:46am
 
British civilised way


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A father-of-two was forced to eat his own testicle before his teeth were knocked out with a hammer and chisel and his dead body dumped on a wasteland [/img]an[/img]d eaten by animals, a court has heard.
Jimmy Prout, 45, was allegedly subject to months of “Dark Ages” attacks by a gang of four people. The group had a strange relationship which had a “cultish dimension” to it, the jury at Newcastle Crown Court heard.

Ann Corbett, 26, Zahid Zaman, 43, Myra Wood, 50, and Kay Rayworth, 56, deny murder and causing or allowing the death of a vulnerable adult. They have all pleaded guilty to perverting the course of justice.

It is alleged a series of events in late 2015 created tensions that led to a number of serious assaults against Prout, which included him having his teeth knocked out, his scrotum sliced and him being forced to eat his own testicle.

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Reply #47 - May 5th, 2017 at 4:45pm
 
How about you stop hiding behind your keyboard and tell us what your background nationality and inherent culture is.

But you won't, will you?

And that's because your own national history can easily be researched on Google to find out all the nasty bits.

Unless you confess to what sort of ethnic background you come from then we can only guess that you're posting from inside a Coward's Castle.

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Re: 101 Ways That Evil British empire Ruined the World
Reply #48 - May 5th, 2017 at 6:07pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 5:25am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 11:43pm:
Britain and the British Empire stands for many things for many people.   One thing that always amazes me is that people seem to forget one most important fact about the British Empire - it was set up to profit the British nation and the British people at the expense of all the various native peoples which it ruled.   Today, we can look back and see the many benefits that the British Empire brought to Britain and from there, the world.   However, we should not lose sight of the many problems that it created in doing that.  The starvation, the poverty, the destruction and of course, the hatred that it fanned and allowed to flourish.   Nor, most importantly should we forget the racism and bigotry that it fostered.   Does one balance the other?   I'll leave it to you children to try and sort it out.  Not that you're doing a particularly good job of it at the moment.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Brian, you can't keep blaming an empire from decades ago for the problems of today. The British Empire very much ended 30+ years ago for most of their colonies. Only a few 'countries' remain part of Britain.

Why would anyone want to keep blaming someone from 30 years or more for their own problems? I mean, I would blame people for problems that happened to me 30 years ago. But I would not keep blaming them passed the point of relevance. Why should independent nations keep blaming Britain for things that could have been fixed within a short period of time?


You forget, the British and other Imperialists destroyed the native power structures when they took over the regions they governed.  They replaced them with faux versions of their own power structure.  Then they cleared out when being an Empire became too embarrassing.  The result was invariably more than 30 years of mismanagement.   Made up of disparate tribes and societies, most of which hated one another they would often lapse into civil or international conflict.   Famines were common as were over and under production of goods.  Were the British and other Imperial powers to blame?  In party.  After all, they trained the local intelligentsia to govern first in their names and then in their own.   However, as you point out, the local intelligentsia had to take responsibility for their own mismanagement and they have.  After initial periods of instability, most former colonial possessions have settled down to become reasonably well governed.   30 years BTW is but a blink of an eye in the scale of world history.  It is just one generation on human time scales.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #49 - May 5th, 2017 at 6:17pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 7:50am:
Brian Ross wrote on May 4th, 2017 at 11:43pm:
Britain and the British Empire stands for many things for many people.   One thing that always amazes me is that people seem to forget one most important fact about the British Empire - it was set up to profit the British nation and the British people at the expense of all the various native peoples which it ruled.


You do but jest, methinks.

Huge local business empires grew up around wherever the British made landfall and established their trading posts. Shanghai had thousands of the local Chinese making their fortunes or a good living from first the British and then all the other foreign trading enterprises.

Hong Kong went from being a sleepy fishing village to an economic powerhouse in which the locals prospered alongside the British.

And so on and so forth.

And then there's Australia .... a First World country in 200 years while those to the north of us still flounder in poverty.

And then India which adopted holus bolus almost every institution of the one-time British occupiers. Same with a dozen countries in Africa.

And all the while that Britain was creating wealth for the locals in far flung places through business and trading, the average Brit at home was working in appalling conditions in Dickensian "Satanic Mills" where the sky glowed red at night where the factories and foundries were. Child labour. Women. 18 hour work shifts. Sleeping next to the looms as their permanent residence.

Taking a trip around Britain's Midlands and elsewhere you'll see the sort of miserable terraced housing the average Brit called 'home' during these years when 'the sun never set on the British Empire'. It was only a very few who saw any benefit in their lives from British colonialism.

The notion much beloved of ethnics and self-haters like Brian is that the British people were enjoying a life of idle luxury at the expence of foreign locals slaving mercilessly in hideous conditions, but the truth is in fact quite the opposite. 

And then again, people like Brian never consider why everything is Made in China nowadays, and that the reason for this is China's Dickensian 'Satanic Mills' where the long work-hours and poor pay makes this all possible. But no, forget about today's semi-slave conditions in China and India - let's turn back the years and harp on endlessly about the guilt Britain should bear for its colonial years.

And then let's compare the legacy of Spain and Portugal's colonial exploits in comparison to that of Britain's.

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You make some valid points, Herbie and none which I will deny.  However, in the case of Australia in particular it's history post federation with the British Empire was not a happy one.  After WWI in particular, Australia sought to modify the British Empire from a UK centric one to a Imperial powers force, where the powers outside the UK controlled the Empire and directed its defence and political forces for their benefit, rather than the benefit of the UK.  However, the UK resisted that and it was the spark that saw the disintegration of the Empire.  Canada looked southwards to the USA.  Australia, despite being loyal to the UK saw its military forces directed towards disaster when the UK controlled them (witness the battle between Churchill and Curtin over where the 2nd AIF was to be deployed, once it left North Africa).  It saw it's beliefs in the UK's Royal Navy destroyed when Force Z was sunk and Singapore taken.   After the war, despite offering the use of it's land for UK Atomic Tests, it was not to see it repaid with nuclear knowledge.    New Zealand was more loyal to the UK until it joined the EU, and so it saw it's main market for it's dairy and sheep products taken from it by an uncaring London.   Herbie, like Churchill you sound astounded that we, as independent nations should seek to get something in return for the blood we shed on your ex-nation's behalf.   Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes
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Reply #50 - May 5th, 2017 at 6:20pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
How about you stop hiding behind your keyboard and tell us what your background nationality and inherent culture is.

But you won't, will you?

And that's because your own national history can easily be researched on Google to find out all the nasty bits.

Unless you confess to what sort of ethnic background you come from then we can only guess that you're posting from inside a Coward's Castle.



How about you tell us what your background nationality and inherent culture is.
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Reply #51 - May 5th, 2017 at 6:25pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
How about you stop hiding behind your keyboard and tell us what your background nationality and inherent culture is.

But you won't, will you?

And that's because your own national history can easily be researched on Google to find out all the nasty bits.

Unless you confess to what sort of ethnic background you come from then we can only guess that you're posting from inside a Coward's Castle.

capitosinora is a Croat.
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Reply #52 - May 5th, 2017 at 6:26pm
 
capitosinora wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
How about you stop hiding behind your keyboard and tell us what your background nationality and inherent culture is.

But you won't, will you?

And that's because your own national history can easily be researched on Google to find out all the nasty bits.

Unless you confess to what sort of ethnic background you come from then we can only guess that you're posting from inside a Coward's Castle.



How about you tell us what your background nationality and inherent culture is.



You little shìt.

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Reply #53 - May 5th, 2017 at 6:29pm
 
rhino wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
How about you stop hiding behind your keyboard and tell us what your background nationality and inherent culture is.

But you won't, will you?

And that's because your own national history can easily be researched on Google to find out all the nasty bits.

Unless you confess to what sort of ethnic background you come from then we can only guess that you're posting from inside a Coward's Castle.

capitosinora is a Croat.


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Reply #54 - May 5th, 2017 at 6:30pm
 
rhino wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
capitosinora is a Croat.


Of all the Croats I've worked with over the years there was only one who was inconsolably anti-British.

He had worked in Germany in the mines and didn't have a bad word to say about the Germans ... World War One ....  millions killed on the field of battle .... World War Two .... millions killed on the field of battle .... millions killed in genocidal factories ....

... not a problem.

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Reply #55 - May 5th, 2017 at 6:32pm
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 6:26pm:
capitosinora wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 6:20pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
How about you stop hiding behind your keyboard and tell us what your background nationality and inherent culture is.

But you won't, will you?

And that's because your own national history can easily be researched on Google to find out all the nasty bits.

Unless you confess to what sort of ethnic background you come from then we can only guess that you're posting from inside a Coward's Castle.



How about you tell us what your background nationality and inherent culture is.



You little shìt.


Ha, ha Is it Aussie or British forum?
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Reply #56 - May 5th, 2017 at 10:53pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
You forget, the British and other Imperialists destroyed the native power structures when they took over the regions they governed.  They replaced them with faux versions of their own power structure.  Then they cleared out when being an Empire became too embarrassing.  The result was invariably more than 30 years of mismanagement.   Made up of disparate tribes and societies, most of which hated one another they would often lapse into civil or international conflict.   Famines were common as were over and under production of goods.  Were the British and other Imperial powers to blame?  In party.  After all, they trained the local intelligentsia to govern first in their names and then in their own.   However, as you point out, the local intelligentsia had to take responsibility for their own mismanagement and they have.  After initial periods of instability, most former colonial possessions have settled down to become reasonably well governed.


Yeah... A native power structure. One where they kill each other off to get the dominant roles in their societies. I would not call the replacement structures as fakes. What the British got the natives to do was to set up a system of economic structure, via the establishment of new industries that follow the old. I have a book on this, and I want to read it all before I make further comment.

And the civil wars erupting with the British colonial powers re-mapping borders is not something we can blame the British. Inter-tribal conflict had been occurring between tribes since long before the British came along. We could probably credit the British for trying to resolve centuries-long conflicts.

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30 years BTW is but a blink of an eye in the scale of world history.  It is just one generation on human time scales.    Roll Eyes


Well, I am only 38 years old, and I don't consider the last 30 years a blink of an eye. If I can grow up to become a 38-year-old who has been constructive for the last 25 years, so can third world societies get themselves out of their self-inflicted mess that they have had for themselves. All British-derived problems should have been resolved in the first few years of their independence.
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Reply #57 - May 6th, 2017 at 11:26pm
 
UnSubRocky wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 10:53pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 6:07pm:
You forget, the British and other Imperialists destroyed the native power structures when they took over the regions they governed.  They replaced them with faux versions of their own power structure.  Then they cleared out when being an Empire became too embarrassing.  The result was invariably more than 30 years of mismanagement.   Made up of disparate tribes and societies, most of which hated one another they would often lapse into civil or international conflict.   Famines were common as were over and under production of goods.  Were the British and other Imperial powers to blame?  In party.  After all, they trained the local intelligentsia to govern first in their names and then in their own.   However, as you point out, the local intelligentsia had to take responsibility for their own mismanagement and they have.  After initial periods of instability, most former colonial possessions have settled down to become reasonably well governed.


Yeah... A native power structure. One where they kill each other off to get the dominant roles in their societies.


Not necessarily so.  Native power structures consisted of stable monarchies, tribal systems, etc.  Most were as good as Europe had experienced during the Medieval period.   They had their faults, without a doubt but they offered stability and of course, continuity.  The Europeans uprooted all that and overturned it.  They changed the agriculture and settlement patterns to the detriment of the locals.  See Diamonds, "Guns, Germs and Steel" to see what I mean.

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I would not call the replacement structures as fakes. What the British got the natives to do was to set up a system of economic structure, via the establishment of new industries that follow the old. I have a book on this, and I want to read it all before I make further comment.


When was it written and by whom?

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And the civil wars erupting with the British colonial powers re-mapping borders is not something we can blame the British. Inter-tribal conflict had been occurring between tribes since long before the British came along. We could probably credit the British for trying to resolve centuries-long conflicts.


Intertribal conflict was relatively rare before the arrival of the Europeans, UnSubRocky, primarily because the societies were divided along tribal lines.   When the Europeans arrived, the cut across the traditional tribal boundaries and imposed their own colonial ones and as a consequence you have conflict arising.

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30 years BTW is but a blink of an eye in the scale of world history.  It is just one generation on human time scales.    Roll Eyes


Well, I am only 38 years old, and I don't consider the last 30 years a blink of an eye. If I can grow up to become a 38-year-old who has been constructive for the last 25 years, so can third world societies get themselves out of their self-inflicted mess that they have had for themselves. All British-derived problems should have been resolved in the first few years of their independence.


Sorry, you are but a youngster.  30 years is but one generation.   Most changes to societies before the 20th century took multiple generations to occur.   That you can be constructive in 38 years is all well and good.  Societies grappling with all the problems that they had been presented with by colonialism take longer.   Roll Eyes
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Reply #58 - May 7th, 2017 at 12:37am
 
Every society that has been colonised and later decolonised has been able to either get better with age or revert back to tribalism. African countries decolonised 30-40 years ago have generally fallen back into third world status, even when colonial powers left them with a stable system. Places like India, this year marking 70 years since independence, have wobbled their way towards an okay standard of living. Australia had colonialism 116 years ago and has gone on to be better than its British colonial power. Same with New Zealand. Canada is basically about 150 years independent of Britain. Doing quite well. It is just the countries and regions where they could not give a damn about following British customs that have fallen back into barbarism.
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Reply #59 - May 7th, 2017 at 12:41am
 
capitosinora wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 6:29pm:
rhino wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 6:25pm:
Lord Herbert wrote on May 5th, 2017 at 4:45pm:
How about you stop hiding behind your keyboard and tell us what your background nationality and inherent culture is.

But you won't, will you?

And that's because your own national history can easily be researched on Google to find out all the nasty bits.

Unless you confess to what sort of ethnic background you come from then we can only guess that you're posting from inside a Coward's Castle.

capitosinora is a Croat.


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Nonsense. Croat or Serb, which is it?
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