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Reply #15 - May 12^th, 2017 at 9:10pm

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2017 at 9:07pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 3:11pm:

It is hard to say if Indonesians deserve to be insulted due to the Ahok case. It is complicated, as it involves more than religion. Most people in Indonesia believe that the jail sentence (which even the prosecutors did not call for) are politically motivated. If it so, then I put the blame squarely on the judge involved. April election showed that 43% of the people voted for Ahok, thats 3% more than the other candidate, is a good indication of popularity of Ahok despite his perceived crime. So now, the question is what do we gain by insulting Indonesians now? Insulting is not going to further strengthen support for Ahok, or their support for secularity. The insults would only push people into less secular views as it plays to the views of the extremists.

So we should not mention it and hope the problem goes away?

No comment about the persecution of Fry, Effendi? You seem more concerned about things other than what is in your own back yard.

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 40770	Re: When superstition becomes law. Reply #16 - May 12^th, 2017 at 9:16pm I wonder why no mention of then Bishop George Pell's effort to prosecute Andres Serrano. While it failed it was made under Victorian law. Tsk, tsk. So much for their defence of Free Speech then, hey?
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Reply #17 - May 12^th, 2017 at 9:36pm

Aussie wrote on May 12^th, 2017 at 9:10pm:

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2017 at 9:07pm:

tickleandrose wrote on May 10^th, 2017 at 3:11pm:

It is hard to say if Indonesians deserve to be insulted due to the Ahok case. It is complicated, as it involves more than religion. Most people in Indonesia believe that the jail sentence (which even the prosecutors did not call for) are politically motivated. If it so, then I put the blame squarely on the judge involved. April election showed that 43% of the people voted for Ahok, thats 3% more than the other candidate, is a good indication of popularity of Ahok despite his perceived crime. So now, the question is what do we gain by insulting Indonesians now? Insulting is not going to further strengthen support for Ahok, or their support for secularity. The insults would only push people into less secular views as it plays to the views of the extremists.

So we should not mention it and hope the problem goes away?

No comment about the persecution of Fry, Effendi? You seem more concerned about things other than what is in your own back yard.

I jut checked Aussie. He isn't there any more.

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freediver Gold Member Online www.ozpolitic.com Posts: 48832 At my desk.	Re: When superstition becomes law. Reply #19 - May 12^th, 2017 at 9:41pm Yes actually. What made you describe that one as "in my backyard"?
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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38517 Gender:	Re: When superstition becomes law. Reply #20 - May 12^th, 2017 at 9:44pm freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2017 at 9:41pm: Yes actually. What made you describe that one as "in my backyard"? Your origins are Christian, no? So, what is your comment about the persecution of Fry?
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Reply #21 - May 12^th, 2017 at 9:45pm

Aussie wrote on May 12^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

freediver wrote on May 12^th, 2017 at 9:41pm:

Yes actually. What made you describe that one as "in my backyard"?

Your origins are Christian, no?

So, what is your comment about the persecution of Fry?

I thought you said I was Jewish?

Since when does Christianity originate from Ireland?

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Reply #22 - May 12^th, 2017 at 9:52pm

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I thought you said I was Jewish?

Did you? You'd be quite wrong, but no-one will be surprised to hear that, ey Effendi? You have a remarkable and building record (on misquoting and misrepresenting) which is quite impressive I have to concede.

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Since when does Christianity originate from Ireland?

No-one said it did Effendi. (We can add that to your record.)

What is your comment about the persecution of Fry, Effendi?

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Reply #23 - May 14^th, 2017 at 11:51am

Aussie wrote on May 12^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

So, what is your comment about the persecution of Fry?

Yes it's interesting. We have 2 cases. One is Stephen Fry being investigated with potential prosecution under Irish Christian blasphemy laws. The other is the prosecution of Ahok under Indonesian blasphemy laws.

So why doesn't anyone want to discuss the Stephen Fry case?

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Reply #24 - May 14^th, 2017 at 12:18pm

The_Barnacle wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

Aussie wrote on May 12^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

So, what is your comment about the persecution of Fry?

Yes it's interesting. We have 2 cases. One is Stephen Fry being investigated with potential prosecution under Irish Christian blasphemy laws. The other is the prosecution of Ahok under Indonesian blasphemy laws.

So why doesn't anyone want to discuss the Stephen Fry case?

It may have something to do with the case being dropped by the Irish Police. Please see early posts.

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The_Barnacle Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6205 Melbourne Gender:	Re: When superstition becomes law. Reply #25 - May 14^th, 2017 at 12:28pm issuevoter wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 12:18pm: It may have something to do with the case being dropped by the Irish Police. Please see early posts. I doubt it
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Reply #26 - May 14^th, 2017 at 1:17pm

The_Barnacle wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 12:18pm:

It may have something to do with the case being dropped by the Irish Police. Please see early posts.

I doubt it

The investigation was 'halted.' The Irish blasphemy law remains intact. We have no right to have a go at Islam on the matter without conceding/recognising our own hypocrisy.

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Reply #27 - May 14^th, 2017 at 4:18pm

issuevoter wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 12:18pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 11:51am:

Aussie wrote on May 12^th, 2017 at 9:44pm:

So, what is your comment about the persecution of Fry?

Yes it's interesting. We have 2 cases. One is Stephen Fry being investigated with potential prosecution under Irish Christian blasphemy laws. The other is the prosecution of Ahok under Indonesian blasphemy laws.

So why doesn't anyone want to discuss the Stephen Fry case?

It may have something to do with the case being dropped by the Irish Police. Please see early posts.

Apparently it is in my backyard, wherever that is, so I ought to comment on it, rather than people like Ahok being actually jailed for blasphemy in Indonesia, or that Australian guy being actually jailed for having the wrong opinion on history.

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Aussie Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 38517 Gender:	Re: When superstition becomes law. Reply #28 - May 14^th, 2017 at 4:25pm Don't you have the right or capacity to be critical of the blasphemy laws which exist in the West, including Australia, Effendi?
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Reply #29 - May 14^th, 2017 at 6:26pm

Aussie wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 1:17pm:

The_Barnacle wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 12:28pm:

issuevoter wrote on May 14^th, 2017 at 12:18pm:

It may have something to do with the case being dropped by the Irish Police. Please see early posts.

I doubt it

The investigation was 'halted.' The Irish blasphemy law remains intact. We have no right to have a go at Islam on the matter without conceding/recognising our own hypocrisy.

Speak for yourself, if you think you are hypocritical about blasphemy. Where do you get this "WE" idea?

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