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May 10th, 2017 at 8:21pm
 
Barnaby’s baby – boon or boondoggle?

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As Scott Morrison announced $8.4 billion is to be spent on an inland freight rail linking Brisbane to Melbourne, Barnaby Joyce went purple with excitement.

But is it a boon or a boondoggle?

The proponent’s stated benefit-cost ratio (BCR) is 1.1.  When wider economic benefits (WEBs) are included, the stated BCR rises marginally, but is still 1.1 when rounded.

Infrastructure Australia has identified a number of risks which could impact on the economic viability of the project. Factors such as a decrease in demand for Australia’s coal exports, weak oil prices, reduced demand for interstate freight, and upgrades to the Newell Highway, could adversely impact the economic case for Inland Rail.

The budget papers concede that, given the marginal nature of the BCR, an increase in project cost could have a significant impact on the final BCR.

“Project costs will not be finalised until procurements, alignment and reference designs are completed. The project is sensitive to increases in project cost and lower revenues from users, and these risks could decrease the returns on the Government’s investment in the project.”

The budget also included funding for a Regional Road Freight Corridor in NSW—New England Highway: $30.3 million, Princes Highway: $52.5 million, Mitchell Highway: $5.6 million, Newell Highway: $78.8 million.  As stated by IA, these road upgrades lessen the projected benefit from inland rail.

The budget states that the inland rail project “will support 16,000 direct and indirect fulltime equivalent jobs at the peak of construction” and 600 jobs when operational.  But have they considered the number of jobs that will be lost in the road freight industry?  Or even those employed in road construction and maintenance as 7.5% of the total benefit comes from “Reduced lifecycle costs for infrastructure owners and operators on the road network as a result of lower freight volumes, with reduced maintenance costs and capital investments able to be deferred.”

All parties seem to be supporting this investment but I suspect that has more to do with not being the one to upset the regional voters than through any actual comparison of the value with alternatives.

High speed rail has a similar BCR but has the advantage of facilitating decentralisation which would help with housing affordability, urban congestion, the high volume of air traffic between Melbourne and Sydney, and regional revitalisation.  It would also, with less private traffic, free up existing rail lines and highways for freight.

This is definitely a win for the National Party but perhaps Barnaby had a more personal reason for his glee.

According to a map published on May 1, there will be a new section of rail built between Narromine and Narrabri.

“Approximately 307km of new track.  This new track will reduce the overall journey time and complete one of the missing links between Melbourne, Adelaide, Perth and Brisbane.”

Serendipitously, this line will go through a little place called Gwabegar where Barnaby Joyce happens to own  two neighbouring properties totalling 2400 acres.

When he bought them, the locals were bemused.  A successful farmer and exporter from a nearby area said of the Joyce’s purchase, ”This is scalded country. It could not support the number of animals that would be needed to make a return on investment.  It is a strange buy, put it that way.”


Perhaps not so strange now.
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Reply #1 - May 10th, 2017 at 8:41pm
 
Jayzuz.  Is there no end to this?  Russ Hinze re-incarnate.
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Reply #2 - May 11th, 2017 at 8:50am
 
Here is the link to Joyce's entry in the Register of Parliamentary Interests. It shows that on 23 March 2017, Joyce amended his declaration to add property in Gwabegar. He has not included a statement declaring a conflict of interest with public duties.
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Reply #3 - May 11th, 2017 at 9:16am
 
Here is the proposed route map from the Infrastructure Australia website.

Is it just coincidence that Joyce happened to buy land on the proposed route a few weeks before it was announced? Or is this another example of COALITION CORRUPTION?

We need a Federal anti-corruption commission, and we need it now.
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Reply #4 - May 11th, 2017 at 9:37am
 
Bam wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 9:16am:
Here is the proposed route map from the Infrastructure Australia website.

Is it just coincidence that Joyce happened to buy land on the proposed route a few weeks before it was announced? Or is this another example of COALITION CORRUPTION?

We need a Federal anti-corruption commission, and we need it now.


I'd say 'Coalition Corruption'.

Sly little bastard - I hope he gets reamed for this.

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Reply #5 - May 11th, 2017 at 12:30pm
 
It's funny - we took the scenic route home down the N'England and then Thunderbolt's Way - nice... and as we drove down I pointed out to the ex that the trains used to run along all those lines... and why didn't the fast track between Sydney and Brisbane run out along the top of the Range instead of that winding run up the coast?
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Reply #6 - May 11th, 2017 at 8:35pm
 
We need a Federal anti-corruption commission, and we need it now.

Agreed  but it will  never  happen. There  is no way  either  the liberal  or labor  party would  support  the creation  of such a department. They are ALL  corrupt  to the  very core and would  never  allow  a independent  investigation  .

His  never  going  to jail. He will  be protected  for the rest his life no matter  what he does. Even  Graig "brothel boy " Thompson  got off in court when all charges  were suddenly  and surprisingly  dropped.

They all so corrupt  we would  be having  by election  by the dozens  every 3 months if we had a
Federal anti-corruption commission.
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Reply #7 - May 11th, 2017 at 9:08pm
 
Francis wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 8:35pm:
We need a Federal anti-corruption commission, and we need it now.

Agreed  but it will  never  happen. There  is no way  either  the liberal  or labor  party would  support  the creation  of such a department. They are ALL  corrupt  to the  very core and would  never  allow  a independent  investigation  .

His  never  going  to jail. He will  be protected  for the rest his life no matter  what he does. Even  Graig "brothel boy " Thompson  got off in court when all charges  were suddenly  and surprisingly  dropped.

They all so corrupt  we would  be having  by election  by the dozens  every 3 months if we had a
Federal anti-corruption commission.

Labor has indicated some level of support for the establishment of a Federal anti-corruption commission.

Bill Shorten throws support behind federal ICAC following Sussan Ley scandal (SMH, 16/1/17)

Whether this will translate into the establishment of one remains to be seen, but small progress is better than none at all.
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Reply #8 - May 12th, 2017 at 5:57am
 
It reeks of corruption
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Reply #9 - May 12th, 2017 at 7:34am
 
a very successful man is barnaby.

hard working and aspirational.

when a leftie looks at success, he always sees corruption because being corrupt or "cheating the system ' is the only way a leftie could think of to become successful.
because the leftie has no experience of 'grinding it out to become successful", he cant imagine what that would be like.
because the leftie has experience of trying to "cheat the system", he knows exactly what that is like.

In this small world view the leftie reveals himself to be a small man.

rather the try to copy what barnaby does and climb the "narrow road to success"...very hard work....

the leftie would rather get together with his leftie mates and dwell in the emotions of anger and outrage and get out the pitchforks and behave like a mob.  this is "animal consciousness". the leftie is very low when he does this. he is behaving like an animal.
he should aspire to behave like a "noble rightard" and blast thru barriers and become successful. but that is hard work and leftie would rather feel emotional then feel the sting of sweat and toil and persistence and perseverence.
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Reply #10 - May 12th, 2017 at 7:40am
 
Another one:

who sold Bank shares prior to the Budget?
or who played futures shorting the banks?

Cabinet leak?

I could have made a fortune on futures - short selling -  if I'd known.


It was spoken about yesterday in parliament -
ASIC could be investigating.

http://www.afr.com/news/policy/budget/asic-to-probe-budget-2017-bank-levy-leak-2...


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Senator Derryn Hinch has written to the Australian Federal Police seeking an investigation into news leaking about the $6.2 billion bank levy, which wiped $14 billion off bank shares ahead of the budget.

Sky News speculated on Monday night that the government was formulating a plan to levy the big four banks and on Tuesday ahead of the budget media lock-up, The Australian Financial Review published an online story just after noon confirming the move. The speculation sparked a $14 billion sell-off in bank stocks.

"This appears to be a classic case of criminal insider trading, possibly involving a federal government employee, or even a politician.
I would like to know who the short-sellers are and did they have links at Parliament House?" Senator Hinch asked.

The Australian Securities and Investment Commissions has made inquiries about the leak and launched a preliminary investigation into whether any suspicious trading occurred on Tuesday, based on speculation ahead of the release of Tuesday night's budget.

The banks claim they were not consulted over the shock measure and on Wednesday, Treasurer Scott Morrison claimed any suggestion of insider trading was "ridiculous".

"There are rumours and speculation that appear in the press before every budget. The banks were advised of that announcement as we went into the budget speech, and that was the process that was followed," Mr Morrison told ABC radio.

"Media speculate on all things in the budget. There was unconfirmed speculation on all of those things. They often get it wrong."





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Reply #11 - May 12th, 2017 at 8:26am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 7:34am:
a very successful man is barnaby.

hard working and aspirational.

when a leftie looks at success, he always sees corruption because being corrupt or "cheating the system ' is the only way a leftie could think of to become successful.
because the leftie has no experience of 'grinding it out to become successful", he cant imagine what that would be like.
because the leftie has experience of trying to "cheat the system", he knows exactly what that is like.

In this small world view the leftie reveals himself to be a small man.

rather the try to copy what barnaby does and climb the "narrow road to success"...very hard work....

the leftie would rather get together with his leftie mates and dwell in the emotions of anger and outrage and get out the pitchforks and behave like a mob.  this is "animal consciousness". the leftie is very low when he does this. he is behaving like an animal.
he should aspire to behave like a "noble rightard" and blast thru barriers and become successful. but that is hard work and leftie would rather feel emotional then feel the sting of sweat and toil and persistence and perseverence.

So you condone corruption. I'm not surprised, really.
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Reply #12 - May 12th, 2017 at 8:36am
 
Bam wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 8:26am:
aquascoot wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 7:34am:
a very successful man is barnaby.

hard working and aspirational.

when a leftie looks at success, he always sees corruption because being corrupt or "cheating the system ' is the only way a leftie could think of to become successful.
because the leftie has no experience of 'grinding it out to become successful", he cant imagine what that would be like.
because the leftie has experience of trying to "cheat the system", he knows exactly what that is like.

In this small world view the leftie reveals himself to be a small man.

rather the try to copy what barnaby does and climb the "narrow road to success"...very hard work....

the leftie would rather get together with his leftie mates and dwell in the emotions of anger and outrage and get out the pitchforks and behave like a mob.  this is "animal consciousness". the leftie is very low when he does this. he is behaving like an animal.
he should aspire to behave like a "noble rightard" and blast thru barriers and become successful. but that is hard work and leftie would rather feel emotional then feel the sting of sweat and toil and persistence and perseverence.

So you condone corruption. I'm not surprised, really.


lol

even if barnaby was corrupt, this 'corruption' might cost the taxpayer a couple of hundred thousand.
this is 'chickenfeed".

but an incompetant politician (a leftie with no business experience, maybe a gillard who pumps money into sh*t programs ) might cost the taxpayer a couple of hundred billion dollars.
this is "not chickenfeed".

i'll take corrupt over incometant any day.
and a corrupt leader might get some really juicey deals with our neighbours to help us become more prosperous.

i remember the australian wheat board were guilty of corruption by selling wheat to iraq in contravention of UN rules. i wouldnt have sacked them for corruption. i would have got them to organise trade deals for dairy, beef and sugar as well. 

if you think our asian nieghbours are squeaky clean in their dealings with us, you are just naive.

begin with the end in mind.
and that end is to see the australian people prosper, not to be butt hurt little bitches who do nothing, risk nothing and stand for nothing other then being jealous little cry babies every time someone (like barnaby) gets off their ass and has a crack
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Reply #13 - May 12th, 2017 at 8:44am
 
aquascoot wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 8:36am:
Bam wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 8:26am:
aquascoot wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 7:34am:
a very successful man is barnaby.

hard working and aspirational.

when a leftie looks at success, he always sees corruption because being corrupt or "cheating the system ' is the only way a leftie could think of to become successful.
because the leftie has no experience of 'grinding it out to become successful", he cant imagine what that would be like.
because the leftie has experience of trying to "cheat the system", he knows exactly what that is like.

In this small world view the leftie reveals himself to be a small man.

rather the try to copy what barnaby does and climb the "narrow road to success"...very hard work....

the leftie would rather get together with his leftie mates and dwell in the emotions of anger and outrage and get out the pitchforks and behave like a mob.  this is "animal consciousness". the leftie is very low when he does this. he is behaving like an animal.
he should aspire to behave like a "noble rightard" and blast thru barriers and become successful. but that is hard work and leftie would rather feel emotional then feel the sting of sweat and toil and persistence and perseverence.

So you condone corruption. I'm not surprised, really.


lol

even if barnaby was corrupt, this 'corruption' might cost the taxpayer a couple of hundred thousand.
this is 'chickenfeed".

but an incompetant politician (a leftie with no business experience, maybe a gillard who pumps money into sh*t programs ) might cost the taxpayer a couple of hundred billion dollars.
this is "not chickenfeed".

i'll take corrupt over incometant any day.
and a corrupt leader might get some really juicey deals with our neighbours to help us become more prosperous.

i remember the australian wheat board were guilty of corruption by selling wheat to iraq in contravention of UN rules. i wouldnt have sacked them for corruption. i would have got them to organise trade deals for dairy, beef and sugar as well. 

if you think our asian nieghbours are squeaky clean in their dealings with us, you are just naive.

begin with the end in mind.
and that end is to see the australian people prosper, not to be butt hurt little bitches who do nothing, risk nothing and stand for nothing other then being jealous little cry babies every time someone (like barnaby) gets off their ass and has a crack


Yep condones corruption  Roll Eyes
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Reply #14 - May 12th, 2017 at 8:50am
 
Its time wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 8:44am:
aquascoot wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 8:36am:
Bam wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 8:26am:
aquascoot wrote on May 12th, 2017 at 7:34am:
a very successful man is barnaby.

hard working and aspirational.

when a leftie looks at success, he always sees corruption because being corrupt or "cheating the system ' is the only way a leftie could think of to become successful.
because the leftie has no experience of 'grinding it out to become successful", he cant imagine what that would be like.
because the leftie has experience of trying to "cheat the system", he knows exactly what that is like.

In this small world view the leftie reveals himself to be a small man.

rather the try to copy what barnaby does and climb the "narrow road to success"...very hard work....

the leftie would rather get together with his leftie mates and dwell in the emotions of anger and outrage and get out the pitchforks and behave like a mob.  this is "animal consciousness". the leftie is very low when he does this. he is behaving like an animal.
he should aspire to behave like a "noble rightard" and blast thru barriers and become successful. but that is hard work and leftie would rather feel emotional then feel the sting of sweat and toil and persistence and perseverence.

So you condone corruption. I'm not surprised, really.


lol

even if barnaby was corrupt, this 'corruption' might cost the taxpayer a couple of hundred thousand.
this is 'chickenfeed".

but an incompetant politician (a leftie with no business experience, maybe a gillard who pumps money into sh*t programs ) might cost the taxpayer a couple of hundred billion dollars.
this is "not chickenfeed".

i'll take corrupt over incometant any day.
and a corrupt leader might get some really juicey deals with our neighbours to help us become more prosperous.

i remember the australian wheat board were guilty of corruption by selling wheat to iraq in contravention of UN rules. i wouldnt have sacked them for corruption. i would have got them to organise trade deals for dairy, beef and sugar as well. 

if you think our asian nieghbours are squeaky clean in their dealings with us, you are just naive.

begin with the end in mind.
and that end is to see the australian people prosper, not to be butt hurt little bitches who do nothing, risk nothing and stand for nothing other then being jealous little cry babies every time someone (like barnaby) gets off their ass and has a crack


Yep condones corruption  Roll Eyes



everyone acts out of self interest.
now a businessman who understands this is going to be a great leader to keep the self interest of the australian people paramount.

a leftie (say gillard or a green senator ) also acts out of self interest. and their self is interested in being a do gooder and feeling all those gooey emotions when they wring their hands over "non issues".  such a person might not be corrupt but they still are acting against the interest of the australian people.

if barnaby has a little win, let that inspire us to all have a little win.

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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