Auggie wrote on May 21^st, 2017 at 3:34pm:



LOL

So naive!            



AugCaesarustus,

'Reform' of ISLAM isn't that simple.


AugCaesarustus,

If a devout moslem saw you come withing 3 meters of ANY Holy Koran, with a correction tape in your hand,             that would be the end of AugCaesarustus !!                  






Why so ?

Because      99.99999%       of all devout moslems, consider ['their' version of] ISLAM to be Allah's already perfected religion.

I will say it again for you;

To the moslem, ISLAM, is Allah's already perfected religion.




QUESTION;
How can devout moslems be expected to allow the reform of their religion [ISLAM], when the overwhelming majority of devout moslems firmly believe that ISLAM is Allah's already perfected religion ?

The idea, is completely absurd.

Lord Herbert wrote on May 21^st, 2017 at 9:18pm:



Herbert,

'Anyone who does not follow ISLAM, as i follow ISLAM, is an apostate.'

'Off with his head!!!!!'






OK.

'But what version of ISLAM ?',      you ask.


Herbert,

Every devout moslem, will tell you that only       >> he [and his group] <<      are following Mohammed's version of ISLAM, the 'correct' version of ISLAM.

And one reason, i would suggest, why there are so many violent schism's present within ISLAMIC, is that; 1/ ISLAM sanctions violence against 'believers' who stray from accepted orthodoxy, AND, 2/ every moslem group has its own uncompromising belief, about the correct way in which Allah is to be obeyed and worshipped.

But ISLAM's authoritative foundation texts are there to give clarity and guidance to the moslem though.     !!!!!




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ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06


ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."



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Mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine declares that unbelief [i.e. atheism] is a capital crime.     !!!!!!!


Google;





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THE HADITH....

- DEAD.
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.052.260

Yadda wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 6:42pm:


It's not simple, but it's straightforward.

Yadda wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 6:42pm:


No idea is beyond reform. And if you believe that, then you are doing the moderates a grave disservice. You're propagating the same beliefs that ISIS are: that Islam is practised in its true form. ISIS is winning the battle of ideas because Western such as Yadda actually agrees with ISIS' interpretation of religion and of Islam.

Yadda wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 6:42pm:


All that Islam means is submission to God - that's it. It isn't submission to the Prophet.

Yadda wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 6:42pm:


Because they've been brainwashed, Yadda by people who want to manipulate them and exert power over them. Think! The sooner people realize that religion is 90% power and control, the sooner they can set about reforming it. We learnt our lesson in Christianity: the reformation overcame the Catholic church's power. Muslims need to do the same thing.

Yadda wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 7:15pm:


Then are wrong, Yadda. Islam was never about 'Muhammad's version of Islam', it's about God's version of Islam. Yadda wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 7:15pm:



And you believe that these words are the 'Word of God'? You interpret the Quran and religion in the same way that the extremists do.

Grendel wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 8:14pm:


No, the idea that we should exclude an entire swath of people from participation in our society based on our 'perceived' prejudices about the cultural group; because that's essentially what you and all those anti-Muslims are advocating - that we either ban completely or severely restrict immigration from Muslim-majority countries; and/or expel Muslims who are already here.

Am I correct?

freediver wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 7:11pm:


The question, to answer your question, is ultimately: you want to police thought, and punish people for thought-crimes, which ultimately leads to totalitarianism?

Auggie wrote on May 22^nd, 2017 at 8:26pm:

No.
The topic is about Waleed's wife.
I merely corrected your incorrect assumptions.

As for the solution to protecting Australians from Muslims jihadists...  we are discussing this in another topic... happy to hear your solution.  You do have one right?