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Reply #15 - May 17^th, 2017 at 7:22pm

cods wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:

It still tickles me how hysterical some people get over successful, confident, intelligent, hijab-clad muslim women.

I guess they present a big threat to some people.

Indeed, indeed, G. It appears some people fear the idea of someone being successful, for some reason... Roll Eyes

no pet... its the lies the myths they spruik..

Islam began FEMINISM....... Grin

well of course you believe that.....

but some of us DONT>

The problem with these people is that they're not using the right arguments to forward their views. The idea that any religion is 'feminist' is clearly non-sense. When that woman on Q&A said 'Islam is the most feminist religion', she shouldn't have said that; she should've said instead: "no religion is feminist even Christianity or Judaism. I believe in the secular state and believe that religion is personal." This is what she should've said.

So, to answer your post, no religion is feminist; Feminism was born out of atheism and non-theism. It was, if anything, a response to Judeo-Christian patriarchal societies at the time.

The other issue is that many people don't know how to find the right balance between 'responsible speech' and condemning heinous practices in Muslim-majority countries. In most cases, they would be alienated from their local community at one wrong word and nobody wants that.

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Reply #17 - May 17^th, 2017 at 8:24pm

polite_gandalf wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:

It still tickles me how hysterical some people get over successful, confident, intelligent, hijab-clad muslim women.

I guess they present a big threat to some people.

Right on schedule the use of ad hominem makes its highly predictable appearance as a substitute for arguing the point.

As an academic and a teacher this woman had a duty to her audience not to insult their intelligence with the deceitful nonsense she was trying to peddle as truth. Here we are witness to someone of her academic credentials and public profile who feels perfectly free to spruik patent lies with regard to Islam and women's rights - as a massive example of defending and promoting Islam through the device of 'taqiyya'.

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There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them.

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Reply #18 - May 17^th, 2017 at 10:21pm

cods wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:

It still tickles me how hysterical some people get over successful, confident, intelligent, hijab-clad muslim women.

I guess they present a big threat to some people.

Indeed, indeed, G. It appears some people fear the idea of someone being successful, for some reason... Roll Eyes

no pet... its the lies the myths they spruik..

Islam began FEMINISM....... Grin

well of course you believe that.....

but some of us DONT>

Who says I believe that, Cods? You? Erecting strawman arguments again? Tsk, tsk.

My problem is that people focus on what this woman is wearing and what she believes, rather than the message she is conveying. Roll Eyes

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Reply #19 - May 17^th, 2017 at 10:29pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

cods wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:

It still tickles me how hysterical some people get over successful, confident, intelligent, hijab-clad muslim women.

I guess they present a big threat to some people.

Indeed, indeed, G. It appears some people fear the idea of someone being successful, for some reason... Roll Eyes

no pet... its the lies the myths they spruik..

Islam began FEMINISM....... Grin

well of course you believe that.....

but some of us DONT>

Who says I believe that, Cods? You? Erecting strawman arguments again? Tsk, tsk.

My problem is that people focus on what this woman is wearing and what she believes, rather than the message she is conveying. Roll Eyes

no pet your problem is you dont read the OP>.

which is all about her comment on feminism.... Grin

pot calling kettle me thinks..

herb even spelt it out for you.

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Reply #20 - May 17^th, 2017 at 10:39pm

cods wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:29pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:21pm:

cods wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 6:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 4:07pm:

It still tickles me how hysterical some people get over successful, confident, intelligent, hijab-clad muslim women.

I guess they present a big threat to some people.

Indeed, indeed, G. It appears some people fear the idea of someone being successful, for some reason... Roll Eyes

no pet... its the lies the myths they spruik..

Islam began FEMINISM....... Grin

well of course you believe that.....

but some of us DONT>

Who says I believe that, Cods? You? Erecting strawman arguments again? Tsk, tsk.

My problem is that people focus on what this woman is wearing and what she believes, rather than the message she is conveying. Roll Eyes

no pet your problem is you dont read the OP>.

which is all about her comment on feminism.... Grin

pot calling kettle me thinks..

herb even spelt it out for you.

Did you, Cods?

Did you miss the opening sentence:

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A hijab-wearing academic married to The Project's Waleed Aly has been accused of equating Islam with feminism to ingratiate herself with her 'elite' left-wing university colleagues.

Who cares what she's wearing? Who cares who she is married to? I don't. Do you? Do you call yourself a feminist and yet you don't get upset at the attitudes on display here which belittle this woman in a sexist manner? Tsk, tsk, Cods. Roll Eyes

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rhino Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 17179 Gender:	Re: Waleed Aly's wife gets a roasting for spruiking Reply #21 - May 17^th, 2017 at 10:43pm Auggie wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 7:17pm: Gordon wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:12pm: They make their womenfolk wear a bag on their heads. What if they choose to do it? What if they dont? What do you reckon the outcome might be?
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Frank Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 48158 Gender:	Re: Waleed Aly's wife gets a roasting for spruiking Reply #22 - May 17^th, 2017 at 10:51pm Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:21pm: My problem is that people focus on what this woman is wearing and what she believes, rather than the message she is conveying. What is the message she is conveying, Brian? Do tell us.
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Reply #23 - May 17^th, 2017 at 10:57pm

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Who cares what she's wearing?

Er... Muslims care what she's wearing.
A mufti did:

THE nation's most senior Muslim cleric has blamed immodestly dressed women who don't wear

Islamic headdress

for being preyed on by men and likened them to abandoned "meat" that attracts voracious animals.

You must take Muslims - everyone - at their word.

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Reply #24 - May 17^th, 2017 at 11:01pm

Frank wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:57pm:

Brian Ross wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:39pm:

Who cares what she's wearing?

Er... Muslims care what she's wearing.
A mufti did:

THE nation's most senior Muslim cleric has blamed immodestly dressed women who don't wear

Islamic headdress

for being preyed on by men and likened them to abandoned "meat" that attracts voracious animals.

You must take Muslims - everyone - at their word.

A Mufti who was deposed because he was too embarrassing to the majority of Muslims. Tsk, tsk, Soren. Amazing you appear to have forgotten that... Roll Eyes

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Reply #25 - May 18^th, 2017 at 3:35pm

rhino wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 10:43pm:

Auggie wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

Gordon wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

They make their womenfolk wear a bag on their heads.

What if they choose to do it?

What if they dont? What do you reckon the outcome might be?

In the case of Australia, nothing would happen to them. They may suffer repercussions from their own community, but legally nothing would happen to them in Australia.

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Reply #26 - May 18^th, 2017 at 3:48pm

theres a thread on here about using DUCT TAPE its all about wearing....I dont see you complaining about that brian???....you just seem hooked on anyone daring to mention wearing a head scarf ..

now we have the full body bathing suit..hair cover included.....no kidding even in front of other women.. Roll Eyes

.. it is normal to be covered head to toe....I worry about people who have the mental attitude towards the body....it seems almost as if !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..

well best I not say.

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Reply #27 - May 18^th, 2017 at 4:07pm

cods wrote on May 18^th, 2017 at 3:48pm:

theres a thread on here about using DUCT TAPE its all about wearing....I dont see you complaining about that brian???....you just seem hooked on anyone daring to mention wearing a head scarf ..

now we have the full body bathing suit..hair cover included.....no kidding even in front of other women.. Roll Eyes

.. it is normal to be covered head to toe....I worry about people who have the mental attitude towards the body....it seems almost as if !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!..

well best I not say.

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Reply #29 - May 18^th, 2017 at 4:28pm

Auggie wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 7:17pm:

Gordon wrote on May 17^th, 2017 at 3:12pm:

They make their womenfolk wear a bag on their heads.

What if they choose to do it ?

augcaesarustus,

They must 'do it'.

"Men have authority over women because Allah has made the one superior to the other, and because they spend their wealth to maintain them.       Good women are obedient.    They guard their unseen parts because Allah has guarded them. As for those from whom you fear disobedience, admonish them and send them to beds apart and beat them."
Koran 4:34

augcaesarustus,

What can happen if they choose    not    'to do it' ?

Examples of what can happen when moslem women choose to    not    wear the hijab.....

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Spain: "Pacifist" Imam Arrested on Terror Charges

The New York Times once praised his moderation

by Soeren Kern
May 11, 2017 at 5:00 am

Several months after the New York Times published its hagiography of Shashaa, he was arrested for physically assaulting his third wife, who was hospitalized with a broken nose and shoulder.

"The attack was obviously very brutal," a hospital spokesperson said at the time.

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"What a man does with his wife does not concern the authorities," Shashaa said.

<<<<<<<

More than two weeks after Shashaa was arrested, the New York Times still has not reported on the fate of its poster boy for Salafist pacifism.

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/10332/hesham-shashaa

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By Robert Spencer on May 02, 2017 08:44 pm
Female Iranian footballer kicked off national team for playing without hijab in Switzerland
The Leftist intelligentsia is very concerned to protect the rights of Muslim women in the U.S. who wish to wear hijab. Very well. No one should harass any woman who chooses to wear hijab. But will they stand with Shiva Amini? Do they have any sense of solidarity with her? Or would supporting a woman

By Robert Spencer on Apr 26, 2017 09:26 am
Austrian President: Day will come when we ask all women to wear headscarf
Because of “rampant Islamophobia,” to stand in “solidarity” with hijab-wearing Muslim women. Great. But who stands in solidarity with Aqsa Parvez, whose Muslim father choked her to death with her hijab after she refused to wear it? Or with Amina Muse Ali, a Christian woman in Somalia whom Muslims murdered because she wasn’t wearing a

By Robert Spencer on Apr 18, 2017 09:34 am
Saudi dad tells daughter hijab is her choice, Western media thrilled, Saudi women still face arrest for taking off hijab
Lamyaa’s exchange with her father has gone viral, trumpeted as evidence that women, specifically hijab-wearing women, are not oppressed and are wearing it, as Linda Sarsour and others insist, by their own choice. Lamyaa did receive some pushback, however, from people who pointed out that for many Muslim women, wearing the hijab is quite clearly

By Christine Williams on Apr 01, 2017 07:25 am
Italy: Muslim mom shaves head of daughter for not wearing hijab
The Bologna coordinator of the Muslim community, Yassine Lafram, also took the girl’s side in the matter,

stating that according to Islamic tradition “any form of coercion makes the act itself invalid.”

All the prescriptions of Islam, from the Ramadan fast to the pilgrimage to Mecca, “are part of a free choice of the person
[ <------ moslems LYING ]

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MOSLEM WOMEN ALWAYS, ALWAYS LIE [i.e. whenever lying is 'necessary'].

Mohammed said they do it [sinning] because all women are mentally defective.

We can see moslem women time and time again, telling BARE FACED LIES, in order to defend the 'virtue' of their faith !

ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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