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Reply #60 - May 19th, 2017 at 8:48pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Frank wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 7:30pm:
Auggie wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
So what should we do about it, Yadda?

Eliminate pockets of separatist law, aka sharia.

Australian law might not punish a Muslim woman for wearing or not wearing a hijab but her unassimilated Muslim family and community will. below the radar of the law.

And if she wears it willingly, she is of the cohort who will punish the unwilling in her family and community.


Spoken from experience, Soren?

I've know Muslims women who do not wear a Hijab or any other headscarf.  They have never been punished by their family.   Perhaps there is more choice than you acknowledge in the matter?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes


Are they the "vast majority" you keep referring to, but can never identify?
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Reply #61 - May 19th, 2017 at 8:54pm
 
freediver wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 8:48pm:
Are they the "vast majority" you keep referring to, but can never identify?


Here's a counter-proposition: Australians are bogans. Do you agree?
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Reply #62 - May 19th, 2017 at 9:07pm
 
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Frank wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 7:30pm:
Auggie wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
So what should we do about it, Yadda?

Eliminate pockets of separatist law, aka sharia.

Australian law might not punish a Muslim woman for wearing or not wearing a hijab but her unassimilated Muslim family and community will. below the radar of the law.

And if she wears it willingly, she is of the cohort who will punish the unwilling in her family and community.


Spoken from experience, Soren?

I've know Muslims women who do not wear a Hijab or any other headscarf.  They have never been punished by their family.   Perhaps there is more choice than you acknowledge in the matter?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



Yes, yes, yes, we know you are Dr Dim and have a very short attention span.  But do try to respond to what I actually post, rather than parrot your sh!te, regardless.

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Reply #63 - May 20th, 2017 at 12:42am
 
Frank wrote on May 19th, 2017 at 9:07pm:
Brian Ross wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 9:24pm:
Frank wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 7:30pm:
Auggie wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 5:54pm:
So what should we do about it, Yadda?

Eliminate pockets of separatist law, aka sharia.

Australian law might not punish a Muslim woman for wearing or not wearing a hijab but her unassimilated Muslim family and community will. below the radar of the law.

And if she wears it willingly, she is of the cohort who will punish the unwilling in her family and community.


Spoken from experience, Soren?

I've know Muslims women who do not wear a Hijab or any other headscarf.  They have never been punished by their family.   Perhaps there is more choice than you acknowledge in the matter?  Tsk, tsk.    Roll Eyes



Yes, yes, yes, we know you are Dr Dim and have a very short attention span.  But do try to respond to what I actually post, rather than parrot your sh!te, regardless.


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Oh, dearie, dearie, me.  Tsk, tsk, Soren, can't you realise that your ad hominem arguments indicate you've lost the debate?   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #64 - May 20th, 2017 at 10:41am
 
rhino wrote on May 18th, 2017 at 9:50pm:
I could take Carland even a little seriously if she didnt wear that giant tea cosy on her head. Its cultural appropriation, its not religious attire. Like these white boys who wear dreadlocks.


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With that headdress she's trying to have it both ways : When is a hijab not a hijab : when it's a hat.

And then as an academic she should know that the very best scholars of Islam have repeatedly stated that hijabs are not essential head-gear for Muslim women wear, and that it's purely a secular affectation so far as the Koran is concerned.
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Reply #65 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:43pm
 
The bottom line is this: no one can prove definitely that a woman who claims to wear the hijab freely is doing so 'because she has internalized her own subjugation' or that 'she has been brainwashed'; no more than I can claim that a person who makes such claims has internalized his or her own prejudices toward minorities and Muslims, and has been likewise brainwashed.

If a person suffers repercussions (death or violence) because they fail to conform to the cultural and/or religious expectations of their local community, family or friends, then this, in my view, is domestic violence; and should be regarded and dealt with as such. It's doesn't matter if the person is killed or beaten because 'she pissed me off' or because 'she refused to wear the hijab' - the principal is still the same: the person is being physically harmed by her family, community and/or friends.
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Reply #66 - May 20th, 2017 at 3:59pm
 
Waleed Aly's wife is a good girl, I cant see my woman wearing anything I tell her to wear.
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Reply #67 - May 20th, 2017 at 4:11pm
 
Auggie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:43pm:

The bottom line is this: no one can prove definitely that a woman who claims to wear the hijab freely is doing so 'because she has internalized her own subjugation' or that 'she has been brainwashed'; no more than I can claim that a person who makes such claims has internalized his or her own prejudices toward minorities and Muslims, and has been likewise brainwashed.

If a person suffers repercussions (death or violence) because they fail to conform to the cultural and/or religious expectations of their local community, family or friends, then this, in my view, is domestic violence;         and should be regarded and dealt with as such. It's doesn't matter if the person is killed or beaten because 'she pissed me off' or because 'she refused to wear the hijab' - the principal is still the same: the person is being physically harmed by her family, community and/or friends.




When moslems commit acts of violence against family members or their 'friends',
AND,
when the moslems committing such violence justify that violence with religious/'cultural' motives, then we should call that, 'domestic violence' ? !!!!!!!!!

You are mad !

You are insane !


My solution;

If a religion, which is being practised here in Australia,        justifies such community violence [justifies this violence from its own religious mores and its own religious tenets] then we need to proscribe [ban] that religion in Australia, imo !



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Yadda wrote on May 11th, 2017 at 3:52pm:

ISLAMIC law makes the murder of wives and children, 'lawful', under certain circumstances, e.g. apostasy ['rebellion' against ISLAM's authority i.e. 'rebellion' against the husband or the fathers authority ].

ISLAMIC law texts, specifically give moslem men, the right to kill their children [and grandchildren].     [cited, in the "British girl kidnapped by Saudi father" article above]

And the murder of moslem women and children within moslem families often goes unreported - even, sometimes, within Western nations.

Because such 'events' [within families] are not even 'crimes' within ISLAMIC law,



and imams often teach that infidels should have no authority in such matters.








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Yadda said....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1293669294/0#0
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A simple definition of SANITY/INSANITY.



Typically, an unrestrained sane person will act in ways which are harmless to others, and in ways which are creative, and productive [for himself, others, and society].

And typically, and conversely, an unrestrained INSANE person will act in ways which are harmful and destructive to himself, and, or, others around him.





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Reply #68 - May 20th, 2017 at 5:43pm
 
Auggie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:43pm:
The bottom line is this: no one can prove definitely that a woman who claims to wear the hijab freely is doing so 'because she has internalized her own subjugation' or that 'she has been brainwashed'; no more than I can claim that a person who makes such claims has internalized his or her own prejudices toward minorities and Muslims, and has been likewise brainwashed.

If a person suffers repercussions (death or violence) because they fail to conform to the cultural and/or religious expectations of their local community, family or friends, then this, in my view, is domestic violence; and should be regarded and dealt with as such. It's doesn't matter if the person is killed or beaten because 'she pissed me off' or because 'she refused to wear the hijab' - the principal is still the same: the person is being physically harmed by her family, community and/or friends.


So how do we safeguard Australian Muslim women from all the various ways they might be coerced to into wearing something other than what they freely choose, given the hypersensitivity of the Muslim community to interference and "wishy washy western liberal morals"?
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Reply #69 - May 20th, 2017 at 8:12pm
 
Johnnie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:59pm:
Waleed Aly's wife is a good girl, I cant see my woman wearing anything I tell her to wear.


She's a looker, that's for sure, but it doesn't excuse her from trying to preach utter nonsense about the Koran being a patron of women's rights and female emancipation.

She should be taken to task for this on one of the no-nonsense-no-PC interview shows - preferably the Andrew Bolt Show or the forthcoming Mark Latham Show.
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Reply #70 - May 20th, 2017 at 10:57pm
 
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:43pm:
So how do we safeguard Australian Muslim women from all the various ways they might be coerced to into wearing something other than what they freely choose, given the hypersensitivity of the Muslim community to interference and "wishy washy western liberal morals"?


The same way we deal with domestic violence matters in general - via helplines and support services.
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Reply #71 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:03pm
 
Auggie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 10:57pm:
freediver wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 5:43pm:
So how do we safeguard Australian Muslim women from all the various ways they might be coerced to into wearing something other than what they freely choose, given the hypersensitivity of the Muslim community to interference and "wishy washy western liberal morals"?


The same way we deal with domestic violence matters in general - via helplines and support services.


They have support among the general community. Most Australians consider wife beating inherently wrong, let alone forcing your wife to wear a tent in 40 degree heat. What do you do with groups who actually support those things, at least collectively? How effective do you think it will be if they start to see "support services" as the enemy?
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Reply #72 - May 20th, 2017 at 11:15pm
 
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They have support among the general community. Most Australians consider wife beating inherently wrong, let alone forcing your wife to wear a tent in 40 degree heat. What do you do with groups who actually support those things, at least collectively? How effective do you think it will be if they start to see "support services" as the enemy?


There's no perfect solution. There would need to be a different approach taken than conventionally; but I'm sure it can be done. There would be many women in those communities who would reach out to support services that ensured anonymity.

This is a difficult issue. I'm not saying it's easy, but the answer also doesn't lie in restricting immigration.

As I've said before in another post, the Muslim world is going through a crisis point in its civilization, as all civilizations do; and unfortunately this involves much bloodshed. The difference now is that due to globalization it has an impact on the world as a whole and this imposes new challenges. I don't have the answers, but we shouldn't demonize people, since this will only make things worse in the long run. 
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Reply #73 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:39am
 
Johnnie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:59pm:
Waleed Aly's wife is a good girl, I cant see my woman wearing anything I tell her to wear.


She's loving the head-gear as a fashion statement to enhance her considerable beauty.
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Reply #74 - May 21st, 2017 at 7:50am
 
Lord Herbert wrote on May 21st, 2017 at 7:39am:
Johnnie wrote on May 20th, 2017 at 3:59pm:
Waleed Aly's wife is a good girl, I cant see my woman wearing anything I tell her to wear.


She's loving the head-gear as a fashion statement to enhance her considerable beauty.

it would have to be so hot  I couldnt stand it..

to be honest I am not even sure what it represents.... Roll Eyes

when you look at the way they dress in down town Saudi Arabia the men dress far more flamboyant than the females the men really stand out....the womenfolk look drab.
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