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juliar Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 22966	Re: How to get Lefties off taxpayer funded WELFARE Reply #15 - May 19^th, 2017 at 10:43am And my other STATUS SYMBOL TROLL Paw S. comes out of the gloom to pay her respects to her hero.
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: How to get Lefties off taxpayer funded WELFARE Reply #16 - May 19^th, 2017 at 10:52am juliar wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 10:43am: And my other STATUS SYMBOL TROLL Paw S. comes out of the gloom to pay her respects to her hero. Again Juliar chose to not debate and instead attack fellow posters and being abusive.
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Reply #17 - May 19^th, 2017 at 12:37pm

Give them jobs that cover costs of living and give them enough to put away for retirement, while controlling costs of living and reducing the imposition of excess costs wrought by poor policies such as privatisation?

Sounds like a plan to me....

It is the fools who have simply no idea other than serving self and cronies that create the environment in which either ultra-Right or ultra-Left dictatorships take over.... the difference between Hitler and Stalin was that Hitler was happy to incorporate his business mates and give them the same rights to use labour as our current lot, the business/government Axis, are striving towards... Stalin simply replaced business heads with Kommissars who said - "Arbeit Macht Frei' (or its equivalent in Russian)...

Even Adolph once said that any man without a knowledge of history is blind.... seems apt today.....

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Reply #18 - May 19^th, 2017 at 12:40pm

stunspore wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 10:52am:

juliar wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 10:43am:

And my other STATUS SYMBOL TROLL Paw S. comes out of the gloom to pay her respects to her hero.

Again Juliar chose to not debate and instead attack fellow posters and being abusive.

juliar is like longie reincarnated - owned every time but has no idea it's even happening.... there is a bug that puts its eggs in a host, the eggs hatch and the host has no idea it's being steadily eaten alive.... juliar is like that host....

Has longie been released from therapy after the Lib's downfall in WA yet?

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Reply #19 - May 19^th, 2017 at 5:02pm

crocodile wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 9:29am:

Bam wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 9:06am:

crocodile wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

You must be taking the piss, surely. There's about 800,000 unemployed. Just what we need - another 800,000 taxi drivers.

Don't forget about 1,500,000 underemployed and up to a million hidden unemployed. About 3 million people are not able to participate fully in the workforce and this is a massive drag on the economy. Create jobs with a job guarantee and abolish unpaid overtime, and the economy will be boosted, as would workers' wages, more taxes will fix the Budget and we would all be better off.

Now all we need is a government that actually has the balls to create the million or more full-time jobs that we need rather than use empty three-word slogans.

What do you define as "unpaid overtime" in precise terms.

Start here.

Australians Give Up $110 Billion To Their Employers In Unpaid Overtime Every Year
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According to a new report by The Australia Institute, Australian workers donate almost $110 billion in unpaid overtime every year – that’s $2.1 billion a week.

The Walking The Tightrope report found that on average full-time workers are working six hours unpaid overtime each week and part-timers are working three hours. This works out to be $9,471 in unpaid overtime to their employers each year.

If that unpaid overtime was converted into full time jobs at average weekly wages, that would create over one million full-time jobs.

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Reply #20 - May 19^th, 2017 at 6:59pm

Bam wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 5:02pm:

crocodile wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 9:29am:

Bam wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 9:06am:

crocodile wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 8:01am:

You must be taking the piss, surely. There's about 800,000 unemployed. Just what we need - another 800,000 taxi drivers.

Don't forget about 1,500,000 underemployed and up to a million hidden unemployed. About 3 million people are not able to participate fully in the workforce and this is a massive drag on the economy. Create jobs with a job guarantee and abolish unpaid overtime, and the economy will be boosted, as would workers' wages, more taxes will fix the Budget and we would all be better off.

Now all we need is a government that actually has the balls to create the million or more full-time jobs that we need rather than use empty three-word slogans.

What do you define as "unpaid overtime" in precise terms.

Start here.

Australians Give Up $110 Billion To Their Employers In Unpaid Overtime Every Year
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According to a new report by The Australia Institute, Australian workers donate almost $110 billion in unpaid overtime every year – that’s $2.1 billion a week.

The Walking The Tightrope report found that on average full-time workers are working six hours unpaid overtime each week and part-timers are working three hours. This works out to be $9,471 in unpaid overtime to their employers each year.

If that unpaid overtime was converted into full time jobs at average weekly wages, that would create over one million full-time jobs.

I was looking for something a little more precise. In their estimate, does the AI include for instance, voluntary overtime by employees that are paid over average market rates for their occupations.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Reply #21 - May 19^th, 2017 at 7:01pm

Grappler Deep State Feller wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 12:40pm:

stunspore wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 10:52am:

juliar wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 10:43am:

And my other STATUS SYMBOL TROLL Paw S. comes out of the gloom to pay her respects to her hero.

Again Juliar chose to not debate and instead attack fellow posters and being abusive.

juliar is like longie reincarnated - owned every time but has no idea it's even happening.... there is a bug that puts its eggs in a host, the eggs hatch and the host has no idea it's being steadily eaten alive.... juliar is like that host....

Has longie been released from therapy after the Lib's downfall in WA yet?

Juliar just likes to take the piss.

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Very funny Scotty, now beam down my clothes.

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Jovial Monk Gold Member Offline Dogs not cats! Posts: 47794 Gender:	Re: How to get Lefties off taxpayer funded WELFARE Reply #22 - May 19^th, 2017 at 7:04pm Doubt it, croc, it cannot argue its way out of a wet paper bag.
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stunspore Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5097 Gender:	Re: How to get Lefties off taxpayer funded WELFARE Reply #23 - May 19^th, 2017 at 7:25pm longweekend tries to debate. juliar doesn't even bother.
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crocodile Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6683 Gender:	Re: How to get Lefties off taxpayer funded WELFARE Reply #24 - May 19^th, 2017 at 7:35pm stunspore wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 7:25pm: longweekend tries to debate. juliar doesn't even bother. It's just a piss take Stunner. That's all.
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Grappler Deep State Feller Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 85332 Always was always will be HOME Gender:	Re: How to get Lefties off taxpayer funded WELFARE Reply #25 - May 19^th, 2017 at 7:43pm stunspore wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 7:25pm: longweekend tries to debate. juliar doesn't even bother. Yes - longie was our finest mass debater.... he could debate everyone all the time, over and over....
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Reply #26 - May 19^th, 2017 at 7:59pm

Jovial Monk wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 7:04pm:

Doubt it, croc, it cannot argue its way out of a wet paper bag.

I don't know the AI too well. I've read some of their papers but have been left with the realisation that they aren't much different to other think tanks in that the articles need an element of spice to keep the donations coming.

If they have simply multiplied hours worked over by pay at the O/T pay rate I'd have a problem with it. It's not that simple. It is even more difficult to analyse and interpret the costs and benefits.

I know advantages are taken. I've seen it. On other occasions I've seen the polar opposite. I've seen people rewarded for their efforts when the next promotion comes around or a fatter pay packet at the next review. I've seen the opposite as well. If this has not been factored into the research it is no use.

How many sickies have been taken when not sick.

On a more personal note, I can relate to an older relative who always worked diligently and put in when a customer was in trouble. Never wanted overtime. On the flip side, his boss treated him well and looked after him. Even when diagnosed with cancer he still got paid despite many hospital visits and days off for chemo. How does the AI put a price on that.

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Reply #27 - May 19^th, 2017 at 8:05pm

An employee that left me because I couldn’t offer enough work for her came back months later. Where she was working the big boss said they should have work finished by 5.00pm Friday. Often that was not possible so people worked, unpaid from 5.00pm to 9.00pm or so.

Too much of that from all accounts.

She quit that job and worked for me again for a while is how I heard of this bit of exploitation.

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Reply #28 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:38am

This is of vital interest to the Lefties being transferred from Centrelink to UBER.

As UBER is losing vast sums each year it has to do something. Its next big step is driverless UBER cars.

Uber’s new pricing system charges customers what it predicts they would be willing to pay
Matthew Dunn news.com.au MAY 23, 20178:17AM

UBER has made making big changes to its pricing system and it could be bad news for those living in certain suburbs.

VIDEO: Is this Sydney's most entertaining Uber driver?

IMAGINE you live in Sydney’s most popular suburbs, while your friend lives in one the city’s less popular regions.

You both order an Uber home at the same time, with each ride having identical demand, traffic and distance travelled.

Yet, you are charged significantly more for the service because of where you are travelling.

This could one day be a reality with Uber introducing “route-based pricing” — a new fixed rate fare system for its UberX service that charges customers based on what it predicts they would be willing to pay.

Using machine-learning techniques, Uber was able to discover customers would happily pay a fixed-premium to travel some high-demand routes — basing the new pricing from this data.

While this might sound like the service is separating its customers based on income, Uber’s head of product Daniel Graf said this wasn’t the case.

“This is not personalised. This has nothing to do with the individual,” he told Business Insider.

Instead, Mr Graf insists the price increase would only be applied to popular routes and would only affect those who are already happy to pay for the more expensive Uber X service.

Uber is using data science to predict fares, which could see you paying more.Source:AFP

“The fares have to do with the demand you see on the route,” he said.

“We don’t know what wealthier parts of towns are. We don’t take anything related to wealth or any other characteristics into account. All we look is what are the demands for our different products. That is all it is.”

Mr Graf said while customers can expect to pay more for using fixed rate route-pricing, drivers will not receive any extra money — they will continue to be paid based on distance, applicable surge pricing and incentives.

“What we want for drivers is consistent earnings,” he said. “If we don’t have reliable and consistent earnings, what are they going to do? They’re not going to drive for Uber.”

Instead of giving drivers their share of the extra money from route-pricing, Uber will reinvest it into incentives for both customers and employees.

Currently, route-based pricing is limited to 14 US cities with both UberX and UberPOOL services — Uber has confirmed there is no immediate plans to roll this out in Australia.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/innovation/motoring/ubers-new-pricing-system-c...

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Its time Gold Member Offline Boot libs out Posts: 25639 Gender:	Re: How to get Lefties off taxpayer funded WELFARE Reply #29 - May 23^rd, 2017 at 8:59am Anybody seen jobsun groth?
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