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Reply #15 - May 19^th, 2017 at 6:10pm

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

You can start by reading Eisenhower's "military/industrial complex" speech and there have been various good books like "The Power Elite".

Those texts don't mention the deep state, Bogie, hence why I'm asking.

What do you mean by it?

he doesnt know. He repeats tinfoil hat terms without understanding them. After all, ignorance is a key qualification for being a trumpoid.

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Reply #16 - May 19^th, 2017 at 6:11pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

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............. In the eyes of the national-security establishment, one simply did not reach out to Russia, Cuba, or any other “enemy” of America. Doing so, in their eyes, made Kennedy an appeaser, betrayer, traitor, and a threat to “national security.”

Kennedy didn’t stop with his Peace Speech. He also began negotiating a treaty with the Soviets to end above-ground nuclear testing, an action that incurred even more anger and ire within the Pentagon and the CIA. Yes, that’s right — they said that “national security” depended on the U.S. government’s continuing to do what they object to North Korea doing today — conducting nuclear tests, both above ground and below ground ..............

very much like today.

One of Donalds greatest ideas is 'to be friends with Russia' and 'Putin is a good guy.'

This more than anything else warmed me to Trump.

more fool you. Who in their right mind calls Putin - a mass murderer - 'a good guy'? You can seek good relations with Russia - as all presidents have sought - but you cannot call Putin a good guy without looking like a fool... or worse.

It's Sprint, Longy.

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Reply #17 - May 19^th, 2017 at 7:43pm

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Quote:

............. In the eyes of the national-security establishment, one simply did not reach out to Russia, Cuba, or any other “enemy” of America. Doing so, in their eyes, made Kennedy an appeaser, betrayer, traitor, and a threat to “national security.”

Kennedy didn’t stop with his Peace Speech. He also began negotiating a treaty with the Soviets to end above-ground nuclear testing, an action that incurred even more anger and ire within the Pentagon and the CIA. Yes, that’s right — they said that “national security” depended on the U.S. government’s continuing to do what they object to North Korea doing today — conducting nuclear tests, both above ground and below ground ..............

very much like today.

One of Donalds greatest ideas is 'to be friends with Russia' and 'Putin is a good guy.'

This more than anything else warmed me to Trump.

more fool you. Who in their right mind calls Putin - a mass murderer - 'a good guy'? You can seek good relations with Russia - as all presidents have sought - but you cannot call Putin a good guy without looking like a fool... or worse.

It's Sprint, Longy.

'Sprint' is now a byword for intolerance, ignorance, self-interest and a healthy does of racism. Look what politics does to some people!

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Reply #18 - May 20^th, 2017 at 12:25am

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

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............. In the eyes of the national-security establishment, one simply did not reach out to Russia, Cuba, or any other “enemy” of America. Doing so, in their eyes, made Kennedy an appeaser, betrayer, traitor, and a threat to “national security.”

Kennedy didn’t stop with his Peace Speech. He also began negotiating a treaty with the Soviets to end above-ground nuclear testing, an action that incurred even more anger and ire within the Pentagon and the CIA. Yes, that’s right — they said that “national security” depended on the U.S. government’s continuing to do what they object to North Korea doing today — conducting nuclear tests, both above ground and below ground ..............

very much like today.

One of Donalds greatest ideas is 'to be friends with Russia' and 'Putin is a good guy.'

This more than anything else warmed me to Trump.

more fool you. Who in their right mind calls Putin - a mass murderer - 'a good guy'? You can seek good relations with Russia - as all presidents have sought - but you cannot call Putin a good guy without looking like a fool... or worse.

Well Putin does have a 87% approval rating in Russia - they think he is a "good guy".

He has returned Russia from a communist country to a Christian/Judaeo culture. I thought you who claim to be Christian would think that would make him a "good guy".

Since he came to power Russia has seen an average 7% growth rate an envy of the West - despite the illegally introduced sanctions.

Putin knows the next war will be fought with missiles. His missiles are 2 generations more advanced than the US's and has developed directed EM pulse weapons. Such a weapon left the Donald Cook Aegis class destroyer a barge in the Black Sea.

He has banned the import of Monsanto products as well as the growing of GM food while encouraging growing organic food. Looking after Russian peoples health - makes him a "good guy".

No Putin is a very good leader and he has a plan to escape the hegemony of the Wests financial system which is rotten to the core.

I don't know about him being a mass murderer - that is the term the West uses to discredit any leader the West does not like.

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Reply #20 - May 20^th, 2017 at 4:40am

Karnal wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:29am:

Gee, people outside Russia actually believe Putin's propaganda. Uncanny.

Finish him off with an idiot post, Longy. This time, it's earned.

Why not discuss my assertions instead of insults?
You and weak end don't have much credibility.

IMO there is a lot of people in Australia you would love to have Putin as President. He has goals and is working toward them. What goals has your Prime Minister got apart from keeping the rackets going? None!

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Reply #21 - May 20^th, 2017 at 5:03am

Richdude wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

Karnal wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:29am:

Gee, people outside Russia actually believe Putin's propaganda. Uncanny.

Finish him off with an idiot post, Longy. This time, it's earned.

Why not discuss my assertions instead of insults?
You and weak end don't have much credibility.

IMO there is a lot of people in Australia you would love to have Putin as President. He has goals and is working toward them. What goals has your Prime Minister got apart from keeping the rackets going? None!

No. We don't want Putin as president, thanks all the same.

In inimical Australian fashion, we've turned a despotic murderer into a national joke.

We laugh at Trump harder though. Must be because of all the American telly we watch. We feel a kinship.

... and tremendously sorry for you all over there. And more than a little frightened that he's going to get us all killed.

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Reply #22 - May 20^th, 2017 at 10:28am

mothra wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 5:03am:

Richdude wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

Karnal wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:29am:

Gee, people outside Russia actually believe Putin's propaganda. Uncanny.

Finish him off with an idiot post, Longy. This time, it's earned.

Why not discuss my assertions instead of insults?
You and weak end don't have much credibility.

IMO there is a lot of people in Australia you would love to have Putin as President. He has goals and is working toward them. What goals has your Prime Minister got apart from keeping the rackets going? None!

No. We don't want Putin as president, thanks all the same.

In inimical Australian fashion, we've turned a despotic murderer into a national joke.

We laugh at Trump harder though. Must be because of all the American telly we watch. We feel a kinship.

...

and tremendously sorry for you all over there

. And more than a little frightened that he's going to get us all killed.

You don't need to!

Thats your media at work.

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Reply #23 - May 20^th, 2017 at 11:08am

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

You can start by reading Eisenhower's "military/industrial complex" speech and there have been various good books like "The Power Elite".

Those texts don't mention the deep state, Bogie, hence why I'm asking.

What do you mean by it?

I said that Eisenhower called it the "military/industrial complex", but by that he meant what we now refer to as the Deep State. I wish you'd pay attention Karnal.
What it refers to is the set of power relationships that exist behind and above the government of the US, involving people from corporations, the military, both parties, the national security networks principally, perhaps some media, who work behind the scenes to ensure the elected governments don't step out of line with what the elite see as their core mutual interests.
They don't answer to anybody but themselves.

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Reply #24 - May 20^th, 2017 at 12:44pm

Richdude wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:25am:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Quote:

............. In the eyes of the national-security establishment, one simply did not reach out to Russia, Cuba, or any other “enemy” of America. Doing so, in their eyes, made Kennedy an appeaser, betrayer, traitor, and a threat to “national security.”

Kennedy didn’t stop with his Peace Speech. He also began negotiating a treaty with the Soviets to end above-ground nuclear testing, an action that incurred even more anger and ire within the Pentagon and the CIA. Yes, that’s right — they said that “national security” depended on the U.S. government’s continuing to do what they object to North Korea doing today — conducting nuclear tests, both above ground and below ground ..............

very much like today.

One of Donalds greatest ideas is 'to be friends with Russia' and 'Putin is a good guy.'

This more than anything else warmed me to Trump.

more fool you. Who in their right mind calls Putin - a mass murderer - 'a good guy'? You can seek good relations with Russia - as all presidents have sought - but you cannot call Putin a good guy without looking like a fool... or worse.

Well Putin does have a 87% approval rating in Russia - they think he is a "good guy".

He has returned Russia from a communist country to a Christian/Judaeo culture. I thought you who claim to be Christian would think that would make him a "good guy".

Since he came to power Russia has seen an average 7% growth rate an envy of the West - despite the illegally introduced sanctions.

Putin knows the next war will be fought with missiles. His missiles are 2 generations more advanced than the US's and has developed directed EM pulse weapons. Such a weapon left the Donald Cook Aegis class destroyer a barge in the Black Sea.

He has banned the import of Monsanto products as well as the growing of GM food while encouraging growing organic food. Looking after Russian peoples health - makes him a "good guy".

No Putin is a very good leader and he has a plan to escape the hegemony of the Wests financial system which is rotten to the core.

I don't know about him being a mass murderer - that is the term the West uses to discredit any leader the West does not like.

yeah that polll is really credible in a country where the opposition gets murdered, where anti-putin activists get jailed beaten and... murdered.

complete idiot.

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Reply #25 - May 20^th, 2017 at 12:45pm

bogarde73 wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

You can start by reading Eisenhower's "military/industrial complex" speech and there have been various good books like "The Power Elite".

Those texts don't mention the deep state, Bogie, hence why I'm asking.

What do you mean by it?

I said that Eisenhower called it the "military/industrial complex", but by that he meant what we now refer to as the Deep State. I wish you'd pay attention Karnal.
What it refers to is the set of power relationships that exist behind and above the government of the US, involving people from corporations, the military, both parties, the national security networks principally, perhaps some media, who work behind the scenes to ensure the elected governments don't step out of line with what the elite see as their core mutual interests.
They don't answer to anybody but themselves.

it's what YOU Call 'deep state'. everyone else realises your claim is simply tin-foil-hat rubbish.

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Reply #26 - May 20^th, 2017 at 12:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 7:43pm:

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:11pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:08pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 2:26pm:

Quote:

............. In the eyes of the national-security establishment, one simply did not reach out to Russia, Cuba, or any other “enemy” of America. Doing so, in their eyes, made Kennedy an appeaser, betrayer, traitor, and a threat to “national security.”

Kennedy didn’t stop with his Peace Speech. He also began negotiating a treaty with the Soviets to end above-ground nuclear testing, an action that incurred even more anger and ire within the Pentagon and the CIA. Yes, that’s right — they said that “national security” depended on the U.S. government’s continuing to do what they object to North Korea doing today — conducting nuclear tests, both above ground and below ground ..............

very much like today.

One of Donalds greatest ideas is 'to be friends with Russia' and 'Putin is a good guy.'

This more than anything else warmed me to Trump.

more fool you. Who in their right mind calls Putin - a mass murderer - 'a good guy'? You can seek good relations with Russia - as all presidents have sought - but you cannot call Putin a good guy without looking like a fool... or worse.

It's Sprint, Longy.

'Sprint' is now a byword for intolerance, ignorance, self-interest and a healthy does of racism. Look what politics does to some people!

Yes, we can see what its done to you.

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Reply #27 - May 20^th, 2017 at 12:50pm

bogarde73 wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

You can start by reading Eisenhower's "military/industrial complex" speech and there have been various good books like "The Power Elite".

Those texts don't mention the deep state, Bogie, hence why I'm asking.

What do you mean by it?

I said that Eisenhower called it the "military/industrial complex", but by that he meant what we now refer to as the Deep State. I wish you'd pay attention Karnal.
What it refers to is the set of power relationships that exist behind and above the government of the US, involving people from corporations, the military, both parties, the national security networks principally, perhaps some media, who work behind the scenes to ensure the elected governments don't step out of line with what the elite see as their core mutual interests.
They don't answer to anybody but themselves.

Another name for corporate Amerika, you think?

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Reply #28 - May 20^th, 2017 at 1:20pm

Karnal wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

You can start by reading Eisenhower's "military/industrial complex" speech and there have been various good books like "The Power Elite".

Those texts don't mention the deep state, Bogie, hence why I'm asking.

What do you mean by it?

I said that Eisenhower called it the "military/industrial complex", but by that he meant what we now refer to as the Deep State. I wish you'd pay attention Karnal.
What it refers to is the set of power relationships that exist behind and above the government of the US, involving people from corporations, the military, both parties, the national security networks principally, perhaps some media, who work behind the scenes to ensure the elected governments don't step out of line with what the elite see as their core mutual interests.
They don't answer to anybody but themselves.

Another name for corporate Amerika, you think?

No! As Bogarde says its Government and corporations working together.

That is as Mussolini said -

Fascism

!

Better get your dictionary out for that word Karnal.

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Reply #29 - May 20^th, 2017 at 1:25pm

Richdude wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 1:20pm:

Karnal wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

You can start by reading Eisenhower's "military/industrial complex" speech and there have been various good books like "The Power Elite".

Those texts don't mention the deep state, Bogie, hence why I'm asking.

What do you mean by it?

I said that Eisenhower called it the "military/industrial complex", but by that he meant what we now refer to as the Deep State. I wish you'd pay attention Karnal.
What it refers to is the set of power relationships that exist behind and above the government of the US, involving people from corporations, the military, both parties, the national security networks principally, perhaps some media, who work behind the scenes to ensure the elected governments don't step out of line with what the elite see as their core mutual interests.
They don't answer to anybody but themselves.

Another name for corporate Amerika, you think?

No! As Bogarde says its Government and corporations working together.

That is as Mussolini said -

Fascism

!

Better get your dictionary out for that word Karnal.

and you claim political expertise... LOL

idiot.

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