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Re: The Russian Obsession Goes Back Decades
Reply #30 - May 20^th, 2017 at 1:36pm

Richdude wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 1:20pm:

Karnal wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

You can start by reading Eisenhower's "military/industrial complex" speech and there have been various good books like "The Power Elite".

Those texts don't mention the deep state, Bogie, hence why I'm asking.

What do you mean by it?

I said that Eisenhower called it the "military/industrial complex", but by that he meant what we now refer to as the Deep State. I wish you'd pay attention Karnal.
What it refers to is the set of power relationships that exist behind and above the government of the US, involving people from corporations, the military, both parties, the national security networks principally, perhaps some media, who work behind the scenes to ensure the elected governments don't step out of line with what the elite see as their core mutual interests.
They don't answer to anybody but themselves.

Another name for corporate Amerika, you think?

No! As Bogarde says its Government and corporations working together.

That is as Mussolini said -

Fascism

!

Better get your dictionary out for that word Karnal.

To.an extent, I agree, but what's your take on the deep state, Rich?

Bogie says it's the Military Industrial Complex, and I can't disagree there.

For Bannon and his crowd, it's a Democratic Party-led public service and the Washington Beltway set. You know, not much more than Tamany Hall on the national stage.

Bannon has added Republicans to his thesis, and by this he means Republicans who opposed Trump's candidacy. Bannon calls them all "the elites".

So if the "deep state" is led by politicians and their friendly donors and lobbyists, how exactly is it outside the democratic process?

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Re: The Russian Obsession Goes Back Decades
Reply #31 - May 20^th, 2017 at 2:28pm

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 1:25pm:

Richdude wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 1:20pm:

Karnal wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

You can start by reading Eisenhower's "military/industrial complex" speech and there have been various good books like "The Power Elite".

Those texts don't mention the deep state, Bogie, hence why I'm asking.

What do you mean by it?

I said that Eisenhower called it the "military/industrial complex", but by that he meant what we now refer to as the Deep State. I wish you'd pay attention Karnal.
What it refers to is the set of power relationships that exist behind and above the government of the US, involving people from corporations, the military, both parties, the national security networks principally, perhaps some media, who work behind the scenes to ensure the elected governments don't step out of line with what the elite see as their core mutual interests.
They don't answer to anybody but themselves.

Another name for corporate Amerika, you think?

No! As Bogarde says its Government and corporations working together.

That is as Mussolini said -

Fascism

!

Better get your dictionary out for that word Karnal.

and you claim political expertise... LOL

idiot.

Weak end calling anyone on ozpolitic an idiot is not an insult.

When he doesn't - thats an insult! Grin

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Re: The Russian Obsession Goes Back Decades
Reply #32 - May 20^th, 2017 at 5:25pm

Richdude wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

Karnal wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:29am:

Gee, people outside Russia actually believe Putin's propaganda. Uncanny.

Finish him off with an idiot post, Longy. This time, it's earned.

Why not discuss my assertions instead of insults?
You and weak end don't have much credibility.

IMO there is a lot of people in Australia you would love to have Putin as President. He has goals and is working toward them. What goals has your Prime Minister got apart from keeping the rackets going? None!

that just shows how deluded, how insane and how off-the-planet you are. other than comrade lee rhiannon, NO ONE outside of russia wants a murderous dictator like Putin in charge who btw has nearly destroyed his economy.

freaking idiot.

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Re: The Russian Obsession Goes Back Decades
Reply #33 - May 20^th, 2017 at 5:28pm

Richdude wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 2:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 1:25pm:

Richdude wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 1:20pm:

Karnal wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:50pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 11:08am:

Karnal wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 6:03pm:

bogarde73 wrote on May 19^th, 2017 at 5:47pm:

You can start by reading Eisenhower's "military/industrial complex" speech and there have been various good books like "The Power Elite".

Those texts don't mention the deep state, Bogie, hence why I'm asking.

What do you mean by it?

I said that Eisenhower called it the "military/industrial complex", but by that he meant what we now refer to as the Deep State. I wish you'd pay attention Karnal.
What it refers to is the set of power relationships that exist behind and above the government of the US, involving people from corporations, the military, both parties, the national security networks principally, perhaps some media, who work behind the scenes to ensure the elected governments don't step out of line with what the elite see as their core mutual interests.
They don't answer to anybody but themselves.

Another name for corporate Amerika, you think?

No! As Bogarde says its Government and corporations working together.

That is as Mussolini said -

Fascism

!

Better get your dictionary out for that word Karnal.

and you claim political expertise... LOL

idiot.

Weak end calling anyone on ozpolitic an idiot is not an insult.

When he doesn't - thats an insult! Grin

you are right that it isnt an insult to call you an idiot. It is merely a generous description of your mental health and capacity.

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Re: The Russian Obsession Goes Back Decades
Reply #34 - May 21^st, 2017 at 1:02am

longweekend58 wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 5:25pm:

Richdude wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 4:40am:

Karnal wrote on May 20^th, 2017 at 12:29am:

Gee, people outside Russia actually believe Putin's propaganda. Uncanny.

Finish him off with an idiot post, Longy. This time, it's earned.

Why not discuss my assertions instead of insults?
You and weak end don't have much credibility.

IMO there is a lot of people in Australia you would love to have Putin as President. He has goals and is working toward them. What goals has your Prime Minister got apart from keeping the rackets going? None!

that just shows how deluded, how insane and how off-the-planet you are. other than comrade lee rhiannon, NO ONE outside of russia wants a murderous dictator like Putin in charge who btw has nearly destroyed his economy.

freaking idiot.

You read to much fake media. It is reported that Putin has jailed 100 political opponents. The media hates Russia so how do we know what is true?

You are a fool weak end and just a loathsome propaganda merchant dealing in lies and deceit.

Disgusting!

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