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Reply #30 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:52pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:40pm:

Valkie, your Islamophobia is boring as bat poo. You were doing well, until you decided to condemn 1.6 billion human beings for believing in a religion you don't share with them. The overwhelming majority also only share a religious name with the Islamist Terrorists. They don't interpret their religion the same way. That is what enrages the Islamists more than anything else. That is why they kill their co-religionists. Western deaths are just a tactic, to drive their co-religionists to them. You are actually doing what the Islamists want by expressing your hatred for Islam and Muslims. Are you proud to be doing that, working for the Islamists so tirelessly? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What exactly is wrong with fearing Islam, Brian? It's a batsh!t crazy and violent creed. you must be mad not to fear it. You show signs of being seriously Islamic, I fear you. Would be mad not to.

You show me signs that you think Islam is batsh!t crazy then I don't care if you were born a Muslims, you have evolved.

Apostates are welcome. They have shown personal independence.
Devout Muslims - keep them out.

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Reply #31 - Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:56pm

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:40pm:

Valkie, your Islamophobia is boring as bat poo. You were doing well, until you decided to condemn 1.6 billion human beings for believing in a religion you don't share with them. The overwhelming majority also only share a religious name with the Islamist Terrorists. They don't interpret their religion the same way. That is what enrages the Islamists more than anything else. That is why they kill their co-religionists. Western deaths are just a tactic, to drive their co-religionists to them. You are actually doing what the Islamists want by expressing your hatred for Islam and Muslims. Are you proud to be doing that, working for the Islamists so tirelessly? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What exactly is wrong with fearing Islam, Brian? It's a batsh!t crazy and violent creed. you must be mad not to fear it. You show signs of being seriously Islamic, I fear you. Would be mad not to.

You show me signs that you think Islam is batsh!t crazy then I don't care if you were born a Muslims, you have evolved.

Apostates are welcome. They have shown personal independence.
Devout Muslims - keep them out.

Poor Frank. Hiding under his doona.

Can we all spare a moment to think of him?

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Reply #32 - Jun 8^th, 2017 at 12:03am

mothra wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:56pm:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:40pm:

Valkie, your Islamophobia is boring as bat poo. You were doing well, until you decided to condemn 1.6 billion human beings for believing in a religion you don't share with them. The overwhelming majority also only share a religious name with the Islamist Terrorists. They don't interpret their religion the same way. That is what enrages the Islamists more than anything else. That is why they kill their co-religionists. Western deaths are just a tactic, to drive their co-religionists to them. You are actually doing what the Islamists want by expressing your hatred for Islam and Muslims. Are you proud to be doing that, working for the Islamists so tirelessly? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What exactly is wrong with fearing Islam, Brian? It's a batsh!t crazy and violent creed. you must be mad not to fear it. You show signs of being seriously Islamic, I fear you. Would be mad not to.

You show me signs that you think Islam is batsh!t crazy then I don't care if you were born a Muslims, you have evolved.

Apostates are welcome. They have shown personal independence.
Devout Muslims - keep them out.

Poor Frank. Hiding under his doona.

Can we all spare a moment to think of him?

I feel sorry for you Mothra- you have so shiit on your liver-, that you have to come here to let it out, with your passive aggressiveness- you do yourself a terrible disservice with these types of comments- you attract negative energy to yourself- vicious circle

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Reply #34 - Jun 8^th, 2017 at 12:44am

Sounds fair - what is a democracy, after all, if not the will of the people?

Mind you,there are precedents..... you may not persecute Jews etc... for example.... but in terms of immigration, surely this is a discretionary matter and entirely dependent on the host country, with a potential recruitment resource of sixty million ......... ChoiceMobile, son, that's what it's all about....

Argh - many a Sudanese Christian or Coptic Egyptian would be happy to take a place, rather than the likes of the Butcher of Brighton or Mad Man Monis....... or maybe we could import some moderate and educated Iranians etc....

Just saying.......

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Reply #35 - Jun 8^th, 2017 at 12:49am

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:40pm:

Valkie, your Islamophobia is boring as bat poo. You were doing well, until you decided to condemn 1.6 billion human beings for believing in a religion you don't share with them. The overwhelming majority also only share a religious name with the Islamist Terrorists. They don't interpret their religion the same way. That is what enrages the Islamists more than anything else. That is why they kill their co-religionists. Western deaths are just a tactic, to drive their co-religionists to them. You are actually doing what the Islamists want by expressing your hatred for Islam and Muslims. Are you proud to be doing that, working for the Islamists so tirelessly? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What exactly is wrong with fearing Islam, Brian? It's a batsh!t crazy and violent creed. you must be mad not to fear it. You show signs of being seriously Islamic, I fear you. Would be mad not to.

You show me signs that you think Islam is batsh!t crazy then I don't care if you were born a Muslims, you have evolved.

Apostates are welcome. They have shown personal independence.
Devout Muslims - keep them out.

You fear it, Soren because you refuse to understand that it is made up of people, ordinary people just like me or you who just happen to believe a different set of beliefs to you. You fear it because some of those people interpret their religion in a particularly violent way but you don't fear Christians who interpret their religion in a similar way, for some reason. You can see past those Christians but your can't see past the violent Islamists. You refuse to see past them because you're an Islamophobe.

I'd recommend that you actually find some ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims and sit down and learn some realistic facts about Islam and how it operates for most people. It might humanise you a bit more, if you can overcome your irrational fear of Muslims. Roll Eyes

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Re: we need a citizens referendum
Reply #36 - Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:04am

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 12:49am:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:40pm:

Valkie, your Islamophobia is boring as bat poo. You were doing well, until you decided to condemn 1.6 billion human beings for believing in a religion you don't share with them. The overwhelming majority also only share a religious name with the Islamist Terrorists. They don't interpret their religion the same way. That is what enrages the Islamists more than anything else. That is why they kill their co-religionists. Western deaths are just a tactic, to drive their co-religionists to them. You are actually doing what the Islamists want by expressing your hatred for Islam and Muslims. Are you proud to be doing that, working for the Islamists so tirelessly? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What exactly is wrong with fearing Islam, Brian? It's a batsh!t crazy and violent creed. you must be mad not to fear it. You show signs of being seriously Islamic, I fear you. Would be mad not to.

You show me signs that you think Islam is batsh!t crazy then I don't care if you were born a Muslims, you have evolved.

Apostates are welcome. They have shown personal independence.
Devout Muslims - keep them out.

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You fear it, Soren because you refuse to understand that it is made up of people, ordinary people just like me or you who just happen to believe a different set of beliefs to you. You fear it because some of those people interpret their religion in a particularly violent way but you don't fear Christians who interpret their religion in a similar way, for some reason. You can see past those Christians but your can't see past the violent Islamists. You refuse to see past them because you're an Islamophobe.

I'd recommend that you actually find some ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims and sit down and learn some realistic facts about Islam and how it operates for most people. It might humanise you a bit more, if you can overcome your irrational fear of Muslims. Roll Eyes

How many Christians are CURRENTLY viewing their religious beliefs in a violent way?

What national identities are CURRENTLY Christian and are attacking any of a different belief system?

What discrete national identities are CURRENTLY persecuting unto death Muslims within their borders?*

Ideals are peaceful - history is violent.....

"1.6 billion human beings for believing in a religion "

If it comes to them or us - which side do you choose? Their grand-children ... or yours?

* You've previously said that Muslims are persecuted in Australia.... Please Explain?

On matters of principle I back you - on your ground zero ideas dragged from the depths of books .... go thine own way in peace.....

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Re: we need a citizens referendum
Reply #37 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 3:44pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 12:49am:

Frank wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:52pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 7^th, 2017 at 11:40pm:

Valkie, your Islamophobia is boring as bat poo. You were doing well, until you decided to condemn 1.6 billion human beings for believing in a religion you don't share with them. The overwhelming majority also only share a religious name with the Islamist Terrorists. They don't interpret their religion the same way. That is what enrages the Islamists more than anything else. That is why they kill their co-religionists. Western deaths are just a tactic, to drive their co-religionists to them. You are actually doing what the Islamists want by expressing your hatred for Islam and Muslims. Are you proud to be doing that, working for the Islamists so tirelessly? Tsk, tsk. Roll Eyes

What exactly is wrong with fearing Islam, Brian? It's a batsh!t crazy and violent creed. you must be mad not to fear it. You show signs of being seriously Islamic, I fear you. Would be mad not to.

You show me signs that you think Islam is batsh!t crazy then I don't care if you were born a Muslims, you have evolved.

Apostates are welcome. They have shown personal independence.
Devout Muslims - keep them out.

http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/12/128170/2467911-yawn_20smiley.jpg

You fear it, Soren because you refuse to understand that it is made up of people, ordinary people just like me or you who just happen to believe a different set of beliefs to you. You fear it because some of those people interpret their religion in a particularly violent way but you don't fear Christians who interpret their religion in a similar way, for some reason. You can see past those Christians but your can't see past the violent Islamists. You refuse to see past them because you're an Islamophobe.

I'd recommend that you actually find some ordinary, everyday, moderate Muslims and sit down and learn some realistic facts about Islam and how it operates for most people. It might humanise you a bit more, if you can overcome your irrational fear of Muslims. Roll Eyes

I CAN see and hear Muslims on our street and on our TV and radio who speak for entirely negative, regressive Islamic things and they speak as if these were improvements.

I have been asking you for a long time - what exactly is wrong with hating Islam? I cannot think of a single positive improvement that Islam has brought to the West.

Tell me just one improvement that Islam has brought.

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Re: we need a citizens referendum
Reply #38 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 3:53pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 12:49am:

You fear it, Soren because you refuse to understand that it is made up of people, ordinary people just like me or you who just happen to believe a different set of beliefs to you.

That is the depth of wilful ignorance and stupidity, Brian.

People like this are NOT ordinary, they are NOT like me and they most certainly don't just HAPPEN to believe different things.

Things in your head and heart may well be totally accidental and random, Brian, but actual ordinary people like me have a large degree of agency about what they believe and what they don't believe.

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Reply #39 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 4:29pm

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People like this are NOT ordinary, they are NOT like me and they most certainly don't just HAPPEN to believe different things.

Things in your head and heart may well be totally accidental and random, Brian, but actual ordinary people like me have a large degree of agency about what they believe and what they don't believe.

Can you define for me what an 'ordinary' person is, Frank?

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Reply #40 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 4:33pm

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Tell me just one improvement that Islam has brought.

Why does it have to 'bring anything?' If we acknowledge that modern liberal values have created unprecedented freedom, prosperity and happiness to people, then why do we want other people 'to bring something with them' when what we have already is the best?

The fact is that in terms of civil, political and social institutions, no other culture or society can match ours (and by that I mean those institutions based on the British model). HOWEVER, that doesn't mean that they can't bring things that are better in other respects, such as: food, culture, traditions, family values, etc. Please be mindful of these two distinctions.

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Reply #41 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 6:02pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:04am:

How many Christians are CURRENTLY viewing their religious beliefs in a violent way?

No idea. Some, without a doubt. The ones who act on their fears of Racism/Xenophobia/Islamophobia/Homophobia/Misogyny/etc.

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What national identities are CURRENTLY Christian and are attacking any of a different belief system?

Those that are engage in war against Muslims?
Those that are engage in wars against Women/Gays/Gypsies/etc?

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What discrete national identities are CURRENTLY persecuting unto death Muslims within their borders?*

None that I am aware of. How many do you think?

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Ideals are peaceful - history is violent.....

"1.6 billion human beings for believing in a religion "

If it comes to them or us - which side do you choose? Their grand-children ... or yours?

Neither because it will never be a case of "them or us". Not all Muslims are Islamists, not all Christians are Islamophobes. I support the centre, not either extreme. How about you, Grappler, do you think all Muslims and all Christians are violent hateful towards each other?

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* You've previously said that Muslims are persecuted in Australia.... Please Explain?

"Persecution" can take many forms, ranging from calling a Muslim a "towel-head" through to killing someone. Low level persecution appears to be quite active in some places, like Sydney and Melbourne. Not many as far as I can tell have died as a consequence but I read all the promotions of violence, hatred and radicalisation of Muslims here and I wonder, I really do.

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On matters of principle I back you - on your ground zero ideas dragged from the depths of books .... go thine own way in peace.....

What "ground zero ideas dragged from the depths of books" are you talking about? Roll Eyes

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Reply #42 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 6:13pm

If its such a peaceful CULT.
Why not have a referendum.

Give those of the CULT the opportunity to demonstrate, prove and put forward tgeir case that they are peaceful and benificial to Australia.

Let them prove their ability to seamlessly intergrate into civilized society.

Let them prove that they are not tge primitive barbarians we see every day.

Then, give us the chance to discuss and put forward our questions.
Without the screams of islamaphobia
Without the cries of racism
Without the violent protests by those of the cult calling for beheading and murder.

An open discussion.
Where the truth shall be spoken.

Then we can have a true referendum.

OR DO YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE NO CASE.
THAT THEY ARE PARASITES THAT TAKE BUT DO NOT GIVE
THAT TGEY DO NOT MIX OR BECOME CIVILIZED.

This is the feal reason you condemn a referendum, you know the result.
Just like the gays.
They know what the outcome woukd be, so they refuse to allow the masses to speak.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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Reply #43 - Jun 11^th, 2017 at 9:30pm

Brian Ross wrote on Jun 11^th, 2017 at 6:02pm:

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Jun 8^th, 2017 at 1:04am:

How many Christians are CURRENTLY viewing their religious beliefs in a violent way?

No idea. Some, without a doubt.

WITH serious doubt - until they start actually ACTING on those 'violent' beliefs.

A very long way to go to catch up with the Muslims who have never ceased acting on their violent beliefs.

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Reply #44 - Jun 14^th, 2017 at 6:48pm

If its such a peaceful CULT.
Why not have a referendum.

Give those of the CULT the opportunity to demonstrate, prove and put forward their case that they are peaceful and beneficial to Australia.

Let them prove their ability to seamlessly integrate into civilized society.

Let them prove that they are not the primitive barbarians we see every day.

Then, give us the chance to discuss and put forward our questions.
Without the screams of islamaphobia
Without the cries of racism
Without the violent protests by those of the cult calling for beheading and murder.

An open discussion.
Where the truth shall be spoken.

Then we can have a true referendum.

OR DO YOU KNOW THAT THEY HAVE NO CASE.
THAT THEY ARE PARASITES THAT TAKE BUT DO NOT GIVE
THAT THEY DO NOT MIX OR BECOME CIVILIZED.

This is the real reason you condemn a referendum, you know the result.
Just like the gays.
They know what the outcome would be, so they refuse to allow the masses to speak.

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I HAVE A DREAM
A WONDERFUL, PEACEFUL, BEAUTIFUL DREAM.
A DREAM OF A WORLD THAT HAS NEVER KNOWN ISLAM
A DREAM OF A WORLD FREE FROM THE HORRORS OF ISLAM.

SUCH A WONDERFUL DREAM
O HOW I WISH IT WERE TRU

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