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Jul 2nd, 2017 at 4:45am
 
This victim of a horrific acid attack nailed the problem in how we see terrorism.


Jameel Muhktar thought it was some sort of "practical joke" at first. But soon after the 37-year-old rolled down his car window in East London to greet the man who'd been knocking on the glass, he realized the stranger had far darker motives.

"He just squirted this clear liquid over us," Muhktar told Channel 4 News. Then, Muhktar's skin started to burn.

Muhktar had been doused with acid.

Resham Khan, Muhktar's younger cousin who'd been sitting next to him in the car, was also targeted.

Left with severe burns covering large areas of their bodies, Muhktar and Khan, who are both Muslim, needed emergency skin-grafting procedures to repair their overwhelmingly painful injuries.

"I'm devastated," Khan wrote in a tweet thread that's gone viral. "I keep wondering if my life will ever be the same."

The two had been celebrating Khan's 21st birthday the day they were attacked.

"We're innocent people," Muhktar told Channel 4. "We didn't deserve that. I've never seen this guy in my life."

The guy Muhktar spoke of is 24-year-old John Tomlin — the reported attacker, known to have ties to the far right.

John Tomlin, 24, sought by police following acid attack

Even though officials have said "there is no current information to suggest that this attack was racially or religiously motivated,” Tomlin's past comments certainly sows doubt. A Facebook page operated by Tomlin — currently a wanted man in the U.K. — contains posts linked to bigoted, nationalist rhetoric, The Independent reported.

“A sleeping lion can only be provoked so much before it wakes up and attacks," one post from 2015 reads. "And so will us British."

In his interview with Channel 4 News, Muhktar pointed out a sad reality: Why isn't his country reacting the same way it would if he'd been a white man attacked by a Muslim?

As Muhktar explained:

“It's definitely a hate crime. I believe it's something to do with Islamophobia. Maybe he's got it in for Muslims because of the things that have been going on lately. ... If this was an Asian guy like myself, going up to a couple in a car ... an English couple, and acid attacking them, I know for a fact and the whole country knows it would be straight-away classed as a terrorism attack."


Muhktar's comment points to a disturbing trend in the U.S. and Europe.

The way we view violence is heavily dependent on who's committing the crime. When a white person, motivated by hate, attacks a person (or people) of a different group, do we perceive it as a heinous act?

We tend not to — even though white, right-wing extremists have killed more people in the U.S. in recent years than jihadists have. We see those acts as crimes committed by "lone wolfs," though — people acting independently of any sort of hate-filled ideology. That's simply not the case.

As anti-Muslim attitudes and violence rise in the West, it's important we get our facts straight.

Fortunately, many people in the U.K. and around the world have been alarmed by Tomlin's acts of violence, and they have rallied behind Muhktar and Khan in their time of need.

Two separate GoFundMe pages have been set up — one for Mukhtar and one for Khan — so that supporters can help the two with mounting medical expenses.

"Although we have faith justice will be served once the criminal is caught, the scars Resham and Jameel will carry will last a life time," reads one of the pages.


https://www.upworthy.com/this-victim-of-a-horrific-acid-attack-nailed-the-proble...
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Reply #1 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 4:55am
 
I urge you all to pay attention to this:

Even though officials have said "there is no current information to suggest that this attack was racially or religiously motivated,” Tomlin's past comments certainly sows doubt. A Facebook page operated by Tomlin — currently a wanted man in the U.K. — contains posts linked to bigoted, nationalist rhetoric, The Independent reported.

“A sleeping lion can only be provoked so much before it wakes up and attacks," one post from 2015 reads. "And so will us British."



Were this attack committed by a Muslim with a similar online profile and wanted status, we would without hesitation call it terrorism.

What is this if it is not terrorism?

What is it if it is not extremism?

Seriously, check yourselves before you find you have anything at all in common with this terrorist ... and so very many of you do.

Consider yourselves held up in stark relief.

Every word of bigotry, hatred, intolerance and prejudice you type fuels this kind of extremism.

Were i you, i would seek to be as far distanced from it as possible.
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Reply #2 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:55am
 
Quote:

This victim of a horrific acid attack nailed the problem in how we see terrorism.



"He just squirted this clear liquid over us," Muhktar told Channel 4 News. Then, Muhktar's skin started to burn.

Muhktar had been doused with acid.


........Why isn't his country reacting the same way it would if he'd been a white man attacked by a Muslim?






I strongly condemn actions and behaviour like this, against this moslem.

It is pure          LAWLESSNESS,         which advances the interests of no-one [and it certainly does not advance the interests of those who oppose ISLAM and those who oppose ISLAM's 'value' system] !!




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Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8
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Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal.

We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law.

Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve.

Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society.


SUGGESTION;
If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia.

Act within the law.


Otherwise we are no better than moslems.





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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #3 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am
 
How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace?

You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis.

There is blood on your hands.
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Reply #4 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:15am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 4:55am:

I urge you all to pay attention to this:



Every word of bigotry, hatred, intolerance and prejudice you type         fuels this kind of extremism.


Were i you, i would seek to be as far distanced from it as possible.



Really mothra ?

When exactly, did         YOU         renounce ISLAM ?

Moslem hypocrite.




"Every word of bigotry, hatred, intolerance....fuels this kind of extremism."

- mothra


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4




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"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111





We have also witnessed        MOSLEMS        in the UK, who have also condemned the killing of innocent people.

But, sadly, that 'rhetoric' was simply more moslem community deceit.



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The cornerstone
of        ALL         communication by moslems, with disbelievers, is lying and deceit and sophistry.

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A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing.

Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005


......In public interviews
Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.





Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”



these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts




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Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

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Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4






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Reply #5 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:17am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am:

How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?



That is because i am blind, mothra.




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polite_gandalf wrote on May 14th, 2016 at 10:59am:

Quote:
"Peace summarises everything in Islam..."


Thanks Yadda - good quote.
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Reply #6 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:19am
 
Why has this thread about an attack on Muslim people been turned into an attack on Muslim people?
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Reply #7 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:46am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am:
How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace?

You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis.

There is blood on your hands.


Funny, after reading the above, your 'message' isn't exactly the epitome of goodwill.......Hypocritical eh....
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Reply #8 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:50am
 
Fuzzball wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:46am:
mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am:
How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace?

You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis.

There is blood on your hands.


Funny, after reading the above, your 'message' isn't exactly the epitome of goodwill.......Hypocritical eh....




Nope. Would you like to try again?
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Reply #9 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:57am
 
Yadda wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 7:55am:
Quote:

This victim of a horrific acid attack....





I, Yadda, strongly condemn actions and behaviour like this, against this moslem.


It is pure          LAWLESSNESS,         which advances the interests of no-one [and it certainly does not advance the interests of those who oppose ISLAM and those who oppose ISLAM's 'value' system] !!




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mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:19am:

Why has this thread about an attack on Muslim people been turned into an attack on Muslim people?




Err, .......is it coz many ordinary people are coming to see that moslems always [falsely] present themselves as victims [of wrongdoing],           and then will urge those within their community to forcefully and violently 'strike-out',              and take back their righteous moral authority from those FILTHY STINKING DISBELIEVERS ?

Is it ?

/sarc off




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The cornerstone
of        ALL         communication by moslems, with disbelievers, is lying and deceit and sophistry.

--------- >

A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing.

Quote:

Inside the sect that loves terror
August 07, 2005


......In public interviews
Bakri condemned the killing of all innocent civilians.





Later when he addressed his own followers he explained that he had in fact been referring only to Muslims as only they were innocent:

“Yes I condemn killing any innocent people, but not any kuffar.”



these are old links, but the article is kosher.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1724541,00.html
another source, "Undercover in the academy of hatred"...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1458729/posts




.




Spokesmen for ISLAM will tell anyone who will listen;

THAT IT IS WRONG, AND THAT IT IS TOTALLY AGAINST ISLAMIC LAW,      TO KILL INNOCENT PEOPLE.



Here is a moslem in the UK explaining, who the innocent people are.

---------- >



Please watch this YT...
A UK moslem community leader, speaking in the wake of the London 7/7 bombing;

Quote:

YT
KILLING OF NON-MUSLIMS IS LEGITIMATE

"...when we say innocent people, we mean moslems."

"....[not accepting ISLAM] is a crime against God."
"...If you are a non-moslem, then you are guilty of not believing in God."
"...as a moslem....i must have hatred towards everything which is non-ISLAM."
"...[moslems] allegiance is always with the moslems, so i will never condemn a moslem for what he does."
"...Britain has always been Dar al Harb [the Land of War]"
"...no, i could never condemn a moslem brother, i would never condemn a moslem brother. I will always stand with my moslem brother....whether he is an oppresser or the oppressed."


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=maHSOB2RFm4





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Reply #10 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:35am
 
You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down.
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Reply #11 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am
 
Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:35am:
You've got a lot to say all of a sudden Mothra?. Usually you are pretty quiet or defending Islam when something goes down.




Hammer, how many times do i need to tell you? I never defend any violence. No violence. None at all.

Now tell me, do you think this kind of extremism is unforgivable?

Do you, as a right wing person, feel you need to apologise for it? Like you expect Muslim people to apologise for acts of violence committed by extremist Muslims?

What's the score, Hammer?

Is this terrorism?
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Reply #12 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am:
How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace?

You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis.

There is blood on your hands.


Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?
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Reply #13 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:48am
 
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am:
mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am:
How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace?

You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis.

There is blood on your hands.


Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?


All of a sudden we are interested in my standards?

Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves.


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Reply #14 - Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:50am
 
mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:48am:
freediver wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 9:47am:
mothra wrote on Jul 2nd, 2017 at 8:03am:
How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace?

You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis.

There is blood on your hands.


Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?


All of a sudden we are interested in my standards?

Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves.




So you were sprouting BS that you don't even believe yourself?
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