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Re: Far right acid attack
Reply #30 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:30am

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:18am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:12am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:57am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:50am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:47am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:03am:

How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace?

You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis.

There is blood on your hands.

Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?

All of a sudden we are interested in my standards?

Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves.

So you were sprouting BS that you don't even believe yourself?

No. But that is an interesting slant. Explain?

Do you think that Yadda's "intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this"?

Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?

I'm struggling to work out whether you're serious or not.

Do you not, honestly now, see a distinction between extreme Islamophobia that results in death and injury in the modern clime and Gandalf trying (in vain) to put historical incidents into some perspective?

FD? Are you honestly that shameless?

Some perspective? He is claiming the innocent people murdered by Muhammad were literally a mindless collective of treacherous warrior Jews who were conspiring the genocide of Muslims. Do you really think that promoting genocide in this fashion has no modern implications?

I guess that is a yes to the blame only going one way. Here we have Gandalf promoting actual genocide, but Yadda's "ignorance" is absolutely complicit with an attack in the UK.

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Re: Far right acid attack
Reply #31 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:32am

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:30am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:18am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:12am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:57am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:50am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:47am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:03am:

How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace?

You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis.

There is blood on your hands.

Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?

All of a sudden we are interested in my standards?

Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves.

So you were sprouting BS that you don't even believe yourself?

No. But that is an interesting slant. Explain?

Do you think that Yadda's "intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this"?

Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?

I'm struggling to work out whether you're serious or not.

Do you not, honestly now, see a distinction between extreme Islamophobia that results in death and injury in the modern clime and Gandalf trying (in vain) to put historical incidents into some perspective?

FD? Are you honestly that shameless?

Some perspective? He is claiming the innocent people murdered by Muhammad were literally a mindless collective of treacherous warrior Jews who were conspiring the genocide of Muslims. Do you really think that promoting genocide in this fashion has no modern implications?

I guess that is a yes to the blame only going one way. Here we have Gandalf promoting actual genocide, but Yadda's "ignorance" is absolutely complicit with an attack in the UK.

Mothra is never critical of posters she likes or share her politics.

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Re: Far right acid attack
Reply #32 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:37am

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:03am:

Mr Hammer wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 10:37am:

I don't expect all Muslims to take responsibility for terrorism. That's the thing you don't understand about me. I hate the ideology. Not the people. If people have the ideology I question their motives. Islam is corruptive and faulty. I don't like any religion. I do believe Muslims could be doing more in the family and in the mosque to counter extremism. Maybe many don't want to?

Hammer, can you see how you contradict yourself?

No, I can't see any.

Spell out what contradiction you see.

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Re: Far right acid attack
Reply #33 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:41am

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:48am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:47am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:03am:

How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace?

You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis.

There is blood on your hands.

Is Gandalf also to blame every time a Muslim kills a Jew because of his efforts to justify Muhammad's genocide of the Jews? Or does this blame only go one way?

All of a sudden we are interested in my standards?

Here i was applying other people's standards onto themselves.

Yadda's 'standards' ???

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mothra,

An unequivocal condemnation, by me, of this type of violence, is not good enough for you ?

How surprising. .....NOT!

Yadda wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 7:55am:

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This victim of a horrific acid attack....

I, Yadda, strongly condemn actions and behaviour like this, against this moslem.

It is pure LAWLESSNESS, which advances the interests of no-one [and it certainly does not advance the interests of those who oppose ISLAM and those who oppose ISLAM's 'value' system] !!

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mothra,

I encourage all people to educate themselves, about what ISLAM really teaches.

And i encourage all people to educate themselves, about the violent religious bigotry against non-moslems, which the mainstream religious doctrines of ISLAM encourage.

And i encourage everyone who chooses to oppose ISLAM, here in Australia, to act within the law, in that opposition, to this very dangerous and wicked philosophy, and its followers.

Yadda said.....
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1409991405/8#8
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Promoting and encouraging violent and unlawful acts is illegal.

We live in a country in which the people supposedly respect the rule of law.

Without widespread respect for the law of the land, we [our Australian society] would descend into being like Syria, Iraq, Egypt, Libya, Somalia, etc, etc - which is exactly what moslems are trying to achieve.

Moslems want to destroy all of the institutions in Australia, which help to maintain a peaceful and functioning society.

SUGGESTION;
If you live in Australia and you don't like what ISLAM promotes then you should contact your federal parliamentary representative - EXPLAIN TO HIM/HER WHY YOU DO NOT LIKE ISLAM AND MOSLEMS - and encourage your federal parliamentary representative to try to get ISLAM lawfully declared a proscribed [banned] group in Australia.

Act within the law.

Otherwise we are no better than moslems.

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IMAGE.....

"We are motivated by our religion, by our Qur’an and Sunnah and we are not ashamed of that,..."

Quote:

By Nicolai Sennels on May 31, 2017 09:02 am

The real cause of Islamic terrorism: “We are motivated by our religion, by our Qur’an and Sunnah”

Every time a new jihad attack strikes innocents in the West, media and politicians get busy blaming “bad integration,” “poverty,” “marginalization,” “racism,” etc.

For some reason, it never occurs to them to ask if Islamic terrorism has anything to do with Islam and the increasing number of followers of this particular religion in our countries......

https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/05/the-real-cause-of-islamic-terrorism-we-are-mo...

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Mainstream ISLAMIC doctrine declares that unbelief [i.e. atheism], even by 'John Citizen' [i.e. anyone!], is a capital crime. !!!!!!!

One of the principle tenets of ISLAM, states that, .....'unbelief is worse than killing'.

i.e.
Unbelief among mankind, is worse than killing mankind [i.e. unbelievers].

Google;

islam, unbelief is worse than killing

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ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....
"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06

ISLAMIC LAW TEXT....
"Ibn 'Abbas reported that the Prophet said: "The bare essence of Islam and the basics of the religion are three [acts], upon which Islam has been established. Whoever leaves one of them becomes an unbeliever and his blood may legally be spilled. [The acts are:] Testifying that there is no God except Allah, the obligatory prayers, and the fast of Ramadan."...."
fiqhussunnah/#3.110

n.b.
"Whoever......becomes an unbeliever.....his blood may legally be spilled."

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Re: Far right acid attack
Reply #34 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:42am

FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games.

On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack?

How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members?

Do you feel a duty of care?

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Re: Far right acid attack
Reply #35 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:52am

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:42am:

FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games.

On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack?

How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members?

Do you feel a duty of care?

Sure. Let's hang poo on Yadda instead. The blame only goes one way remember? Muslims can promote actual genocide without repurcussion, because their religion compels them to, but merely by being "ignorant" Yadda is absolutely complicit in this attack in the UK.

I am not perpetuating any myths. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. The Koran is full of encouragement for Muslims to commit violence. Lying about it won't make it go away.

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Re: Far right acid attack
Reply #36 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:54am

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:52am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:42am:

FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games.

On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack?

How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members?

Do you feel a duty of care?

Sure. Let's hang poo on Yadda instead. The blame only goes one way remember? Muslims can promote actual genocide without repurcussion, because their religion compels them to, but merely by being "ignorant" Yadda is absolutely complicit in this attack in the UK.

I am not perpetuating any myths. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. The Koran is full of encouragement for Muslims to commit violence. Lying about it won't make it go away.

You know you're very irrational, yes?

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Re: Far right acid attack
Reply #37 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:56am

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:54am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:52am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:42am:

FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games.

On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack?

How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members?

Do you feel a duty of care?

Sure. Let's hang poo on Yadda instead. The blame only goes one way remember? Muslims can promote actual genocide without repurcussion, because their religion compels them to, but merely by being "ignorant" Yadda is absolutely complicit in this attack in the UK.

I am not perpetuating any myths. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. The Koran is full of encouragement for Muslims to commit violence. Lying about it won't make it go away.

You know you're very irrational, yes?

Do you disagree with anything I have said? Or have you simply given up and decided to play the man instead of the ball, yet again?

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Re: Far right acid attack
Reply #38 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:04pm

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:56am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:54am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:52am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:42am:

FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games.

On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack?

How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members?

Do you feel a duty of care?

Sure. Let's hang poo on Yadda instead. The blame only goes one way remember? Muslims can promote actual genocide without repurcussion, because their religion compels them to, but merely by being "ignorant" Yadda is absolutely complicit in this attack in the UK.

I am not perpetuating any myths. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. The Koran is full of encouragement for Muslims to commit violence. Lying about it won't make it go away.

You know you're very irrational, yes?

Do you disagree with anything I have said? Or have you simply given up and decided to play the man instead of the ball, yet again?

Can't think of the last time i've ever done that. Is this a usual technique of yours?

You seem reluctant to answer the question though. Highly reluctant. Do you think that posting anti-Islam sentiments (as Yadda does, and you too) contribute towards extremism?

Because i have a much more moderate view, of which i am certain contributes to no extremism at all.

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Re: Far right acid attack
Reply #39 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:08pm

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 9:56am:

I'm not even a little bit in a tizzy.

I just happen to think extremism is a very big problem.

I see a tremendous amount of extremism on this forum.

Oh, you see, "a tremendous amount of extremism on this forum", do you!

mothra,

QUESTIONS;

1/ Do you see any extremism in the tenets and in the religious texts of ISLAM ?

AND IF NOT, WHY NOT ?

And do you see any concealed and hidden extremism, at all, within the moslem community, here in Australia ???

AND IF NOT, WHY NOT ?

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"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089

"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98

"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

"....take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends....
......he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them."
Koran 5.51

"There is for you an excellent example (to follow) in Abraham and those with him, when they said to their people: "We are clear of you and of whatever ye worship besides Allah: we have rejected you, and there has arisen, between us and you, enmity and hatred for ever,- unless ye believe in Allah and Him alone"....."
Koran 60:4

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Quran (2:191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief or unrest] is worse than killing... but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful.

Quran (2:244) - "Then fight in the cause of Allah, and know that Allah Heareth and knoweth all things."

Quran (2:216) - "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you.

Quran (3:56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."

Quran (3:151) - "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority".

Quran (4:74) - "Let those fight in the way of Allah who sell the life of this world for the other. Whoso fighteth in the way of Allah, be he slain or be he victorious, on him We shall bestow a vast reward."

Quran (4:76) - "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah…"

Quran (4:89) - "They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks."

Quran (4:95) - "Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives.

And on, and on, and on.....

Quran (4:104)

Quran (5:33)

Quran (8:12)

Quran (8:15)

Quran (8:39)

Quran (8:57)

Quran (8:67)

and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on, and on.....

all the way to....

Quran (66:9) - "O Prophet! Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites, and be stern with them......

All cited here.....
http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx

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AND WITHIN THE AUSTRALIAN MOSLEM COMMUNITY ?

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Q.
What is wrong with ISLAM ???

A.
Nothing at all ! [just ask Malcolm Turnbull]

Watch good 'Aussie' moslems, practicing ISLAM behind closed doors.....

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Muslims brainwash children in Australia

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krk5piUzp1E

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Re: Far right acid attack
Reply #40 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:11pm

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 8:03am:

How can you not see that your intolerance, ignorance and bigotry is absolutely complicit with attacks like this, Yadda?

Do you think you are spreading messages of inclusion, tolerance and peace?

You pimp hatred and foulness on a daily basis.

There is blood on your hands.

Unreality Girl strikes again !!!!!

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Reply #41 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:13pm

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:04pm:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:56am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:54am:

freediver wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:52am:

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 11:42am:

FD, i'm not particularly interested in your "hang sh!t on Gandalf" games.

On topic, tell me, do you think perpetuating the myth that Islam is necessarily violent and unpeaceful contributed to this acid acid attack?

How do you feel about your part in perpetuating that myth? Are you concerned that as both a poster on and an owner of an internet forum that lends itself to extreme Islamophobia, you may be complicit in the extremist activities of one of your forum's members?

Do you feel a duty of care?

Sure. Let's hang poo on Yadda instead. The blame only goes one way remember? Muslims can promote actual genocide without repurcussion, because their religion compels them to, but merely by being "ignorant" Yadda is absolutely complicit in this attack in the UK.

I am not perpetuating any myths. Islam is the greatest modern threat to freedom and democracy. The Koran is full of encouragement for Muslims to commit violence. Lying about it won't make it go away.

You know you're very irrational, yes?

Do you disagree with anything I have said? Or have you simply given up and decided to play the man instead of the ball, yet again?

Can't think of the last time i've ever done that. Is this a usual technique of yours?

You seem reluctant to answer the question though. Highly reluctant. Do you think that posting anti-Islam sentiments (as Yadda does, and you too) contribute towards extremism?

Because i have a much more moderate view, of which i am certain contributes to no extremism at all.

Speaking of reluctance, do Gandalf's views contribute to extremism? Or does the blame only go one way?

What about all the promotion of violence in the Koran? Does it contribute to violence?

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mothra Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 35346 Gender:	Re: Far right acid attack Reply #42 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:16pm So you'd rather focus on what i think about Gandalf than what may contribute to an acid attack on innocent Muslims by a right wing terrorist? Interesting. What do you think, FD, about the way Muslims are represented on social media?
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Grendel Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 28080 Gender:	Re: Far right acid attack Reply #43 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:17pm Far right? I'd have thought "Asian" women are the main targets of these sorts of attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing
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Reply #44 - Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:18pm

mothra wrote on Jul 2^nd, 2017 at 12:16pm:

So you'd rather focus on what i think about Gandalf than what may contribute to an acid attack on innocent Muslims by a right wing terrorist?

Interesting.

What do you think, FD, about the way Muslims are represented on social media?

I'd like to know if the blame goes both ways. If Yadda's ignorance is absolutely complicit in this UK attack, what of Gandalf's promotion of Islamic genocide or the promotion of violence in the Koran?

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